Yeah, I was hoping they'd keep tearing each other up for a few more months (like, until December...).
Hillary is stepping down and endorsing Obama, this is messed up...
It's live now.
Sen. Clinton: "We need to help elect Barack Obama our president"
She is suspending presidential bid, endorsing Obama.
It is big, I dont like it.
Yeah, I was hoping they'd keep tearing each other up for a few more months (like, until December...).
Well, I promised to vote for Hillary to punish the repubs for failing to nominate Ron Paul. WTF am I going to do now? :P
Write-in Paul. Operation Chaos doesn't need to be limited to dhimmiecraps nor end now.
I was either gonna write in ron paul or ted nuggent.
nofoa wrote:I might vote for Juan if he put one of those two in as Veep .I was either gonna write in ron paul or ted nuggent.
Could you see Uncle Ted as the Veep? :celebrate:celebrate
You guys going to be at the march on July 12th? And, I wouldn't recommend writing in RP, I hear write ins aren't counted, I'm going to vote Bob Barr instead.
treadresistant wrote:I would imagine they have to count the write-ins if it is apparent who it is for. I'm probably going to be writing in Paul/Kucinich but might end up voting for Bob Barr.You guys going to be at the march on July 12th? And, I wouldn't recommend writing in RP, I hear write ins aren't counted, I'm going to vote Bob Barr instead.
treadresistant wrote:You guys going to be at the march on July 12th? And, I wouldn't recommend writing in RP, I hear write ins aren't counted, I'm going to vote Bob Barr instead.
Isn't that like voting for Mickey Mouse?
At least I'll be writing in a real person.:P
sacasm! All votes count silly!
sedjester wrote:Kucinish!? Are you kidding me?treadresistant wrote:I would imagine they have to count the write-ins if it is apparent who it is for. I'm probably going to be writing in Paul/Kucinich but might end up voting for Bob Barr.
"By helping to develop a society which does not look to violence as a method of solving problems, my proposed Department of Peace will play a key role in this. Conflict resolution and alternatives to violence will constitute major areas of responsibility within this new Department, so that we can begin to lead by examples as well as by words."
"One year after the DC-area sniper attacks, I co-signed a bill, H.R. 2038, to renew and strengthen the federal assault weapons ban. I also attended a recent Save Our Sons and Daughters (SOSAD) event.
While some believe that gun laws should reside at the state level, I respectfully disagree. In this mobile society, national control of guns just is necessary, just as it is with pollution."
"I agree with the Brady Campaign that Congress should end the gun industry's immunity from product safety regulation"
If the new AWB gets enacted it will be devistating. It won't expire, at least the way it's currently proposed, either. It bans basically any type of weapon you can imagine and anything to repair or refurbish said weapons. So even though you're "grandfathered in," you'll only have the gun for as long as its original parts last. They will try get the guns out of our hands no matter how, even when there's no evidence that it will solve the problem (And there is in fact evidence to the contrary).
It will create a great illegal arms market though, allowing criminals to run rampant with fully automatic, actual assault weapons that they get from the drug importers who have found a massive new market. The drugs make it in with ease, so will the illegal arms. From what I understand about 5% of cargo ships entering this country are actually searched thoroughly, the goal is to reach 7%. Until this is 100% (Which is never), I fail to see how these laws against citizens rights to protection will take guns from violent thugs and gang members. These weapons will be imported en-masse IMO once there's a huge illegal arms market and a knowledge that no law abiding citizen will have any firepower. Then the majority of illegal arms available will be imports rather than stolen and illegally acquired US weapons. These firearms will probably include plenty of true assault weapons.
I'm not seeing the problem with any of the current firearms laws, it's the way we're handling other things. These laws still don't stop illegal activity even though they state that felons can't purcahse them and already require background checks in many places. At the most, I could see these gun grabbers asking to require background checks for every transfer across the US. That still wont solve it, but I could at least deal with that. Taking away basically all defensive firearms is ridiculous. The 2nd amendment does not say anything about the right to hunt, but somehow these people think that's the only purpose firearms should be able to serve. The worst thing is that many hunters are fine with it as long as it doesn't infringe on their right to hunt. So they can get these idiots to support it, which makes it seem reasonable to someone who doesn't know anything about firearms or the "firearm community." I think, if they get their way, they'll either see what a bad idea it was or hire enough police to turn this place into a nazi like nation. It will go to hell in a handbasket, and quickly at that.
I had a friend (No longer though), who completely changed after I purchased my first firearm. I showed it to him and his mom told me not to point it at her and pull the trigger. :shock: I said, "Um, I would NEVER do something so stupid." Then she started telling me about all of those kids that shoot their friend accidentally, playing around with guns. I was like, "I'm not a child, and this isn't a toy."
Anyway, he said that I had "turned into a gun nut" because I showed him the recently proposed assault weapons ban. He found it perfectly reasonable because "he saw no reason why you would need more than x number of rounds, etc." I said that isn't the point, that the number of rounds in the gun shouldn't matter if you're a law abiding citizen. I pointed out the whole illegal arms dealer thing too, but he just continued to call me a gun nut. He stopped talking to me and everything over it. It was ridiculous.
I really am horrified about what could happen if they get hold of office. I don't understand why the president has so much power these days and why people want it to be as such. It was never supposed to be like this.
(I secretly liked it. It was punny.)
Seriously though, I believe thata vote for anyone other than McCain is a vote for Obama. We can't afford to lose this one because our gun rights are at stake, and McCain is marginally better than the competition.
That's what I'm beginning to think. This one is so important that to waste a vote by write in is not acceptable IMO. The likelihood that such a write in would win is almost zero, so it's probably best for us to vote against Obama rather than for RP or someone who is good. McCain is the only other choice at this point that has a chance of winning IMO. I hate to think of doing such a thing as voting against someone, but if this ban is enacted it will be irreversible. We cannot let this happen, and I have great fear that it will, especially with the change in the balance of congress as well.
First of all, nothing is irreversible. It will have to be repealed by another law rather than just expire on it's own, but that is in no way irreversible. I'm still on the fence about write in vs. McCain.
We have to make sacrifices for what we want. A violent revolution may have good results, but it means sacrificing freedom and life in the hopes of gaining freedom and life, it is what the founders of this country did. What we're looking for in America is a political revolution, and that may require making sacrifices. It may require republicans loosing the presidency because of write ins. Yes sacrificing 4 years to Obama/Hillary will suck, but maybe that's what it will take to show the republicans that we don't want candidates like McCain.
I also always try to look for the silver lining in every storm, if another 10 round mag restriction is in place then I'll have no excuse not to get a 1911.
I agree here, but I doubt it would get changed, at least not until a large change in the representation within the presidential office and other offices occured. Even then, it would be significantly more difficult to change after the fact than to prevent it before it happens. I do see what you're saying though, in that anything can be repealed. Even the constitution as we've already seen through many attempts at undermining various provisions of it.First of all, nothing is irreversible.
I will reword it:
It has no "expiration date" like the original one did.
True, I'll have an excuse for a Kimber and a S&W Performance Center Model 327 8 shot .357 magnum. Right now I'm trying to snatch up as many high capacity, possibly soon to be restricted, firearms as I can.I also always try to look for the silver lining in every storm, if another 10 round mag restriction is in place then I'll have no excuse not to get a 1911.
I'd vote for Ted. At lease I would know the 2nd would be secure.
I hate to say it, but all of you can compromise your principles and vote for McCain all that you want, but the simple truth is that he is going to lose. Obama will be President. Even if McCain manages to pull it out, the Congress will be so tilted in favor of Democrats that they won't need the signature of the President to cram through gun control legislation. Besides, we all know McCain's history of 'compromising' with the left on various issues that are important to us.
This is the amnesty man!
This is the Campaign Finance Reform/Anti-First Amendment man!
If he's anti-1st, how can you trust him not to be anti-2nd?
I just think its foolish that some people keep voting Republican every year out of FEAR for the Democratic nominee. Then the same people throw their hands up in the air and wonder why government is so terrible. And believe me, the Republicans love playing on the people's fears, whether fear of terrorism or fear of Obama in order to get you to support them. But hey, you keep right on being suckered into it like lambs to the slaughter.
Obama...McCain...don't matter who wins, the nation loses. A vote for either candidate is a vote for the degradation of these United States.
It's just sad to me that we as Americans have to make such a choice. No that choosing your leader sucks, but that one must choose between a ****** and a ****. Our current system makes everyone lose.
Weak 9mm wrote:Certainly makes a case for the AK platform, then...If the new AWB gets enacted it will be devistating. It won't expire, at least the way it's currently proposed, either. It bans basically any type of weapon you can imagine and anything to repair or refurbish said weapons. So even though you're "grandfathered in," you'll only have the gun for as long as its original parts last. They will try get the guns out of our hands no matter how, even when there's no evidence that it will solve the problem (And there is in fact evidence to the contrary).
DopaVash wrote:[img]http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k221/gunnar420/******.jpg[/img]It's just sad to me that we as Americans have to make such a choice. No that choosing your leader sucks, but that one must choose between a ****** and a ****. Our current system makes everyone lose.
"An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life." Robert A. Heinlein
SGT Jensen wrote:Vote or die, motherf*cker, vote or die!DopaVash wrote:[img]http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k221/gunnar420/******.jpg[/img]It's just sad to me that we as Americans have to make such a choice. No that choosing your leader sucks, but that one must choose between a ****** and a ****. Our current system makes everyone lose.
That was an effing hilarious episode.
I am truly sorry if I offended anyone with babar.
I am at a point that I really hate to admit. I am tired of arguing for what is right. That is a more painful thing to say than it is to read. I just am so sick and beat from arguing with people I should not have to argue with. So many people from all walks of life cannot see past the contridiction that blinds them. I find it completely incomprehensible why some would fight so hard for some rights and ignore others to the point of insanity.
Obama and McCain are seperated by nothing because they both stand only for what we don't want. Delusions of protection for a right is not a reason to vote away your conscience. So you can vote either way and the only thing you will acomplish is putting up the same type of canidates for the years coming. The messages of Ron Paul and Bob Barr* (*to an extent) go beyond winning an election. The principles they stand for are being listened to. But ignoring their message and voting on false hopes ruins everything they have worked so hard for.
This country is not made up of presidents or congressmen or senators. This country is madeup of us. People like you and me who can make a difference either with the help of the goverment or by our selves. We have all the power necessary to change the minds and opinions of anyone. We can enact laws and we can repeal them. But payingsomeone else to do that, and voting away your principles will not acomplish any of that.
Call me jaded, call me a silly 22 year old who has no life experienceand qualifications to tell you what is and isn't possible. I know what was acomplish in 1776 and I know why we fought inthe 1860's. I have seen great men like Charleton Hestonand Martin Luther KingJr make differences. I know exactly what one person with a vision can do.
I will write in Dr. Paul in November and I will sleep soundly knowing that I voted for what I believed in. Andrefused to throw away my beliefs in the face of a party who presumed to tell me who I can and cannot vote for with threats ofwhay I may loose. They cannot take my honor or dignity those are two things that cannot be stollen. And I will be damned ifthey think that I'll sit back and surrender them.
Nothing wrong with that, I just don't think it will do anything for anyone other than you. We'll see what happens in a few months.
The choices that we have for President are(to be politically correct) disappointing.I have always thought that voting for an independent or libertarian was the same as voting for a Liberal Democrat by way of one less vote for the Republican.
Third party candidates traditionally receive about 1% of the vote. In other words, Irrelevant.They are not taken seriously and never will be at this rate.The only way to change that is for EVERYONE that is disgusted with the current way our Nation is being run is to vote for the third party candidate and bring those percentage numbers up to send a message that we are tired of the statues quo and will not tolerate our Constitution being trampled over anymore.
It wont make a difference this election,but it will send a message that the citizens of our great Nation are looking else where for leadership and that there jobs in public office may not be as secure as they once thought they were.
When a third party candidate starts receiving 8,10 or12% of the vote, people will start taking notice the there really is another choice.
Regardless of either McCain or Osoma (sorry) Obama we lose.
This election is the perfect opportunity to make such a statement.
Oh soma? BNW?
Oh you mean Hussein Osama Bin Laden?
One of my old friends stopped talking to me after I sent him a copy of the recently proposed AWB (He said I had become a "gun nut"). Well I also recall saying something in an IM conversation a short time before that. We was talking about that idiot and I said something like, "Oh, you mean Barack Osama Bin Laden?" Well, this guy just went absolutely nuts. He was like, "I can't BELIEVE you think Barack Obama is a TERRORIST!!! You really are a gun nut!!!"
It was very strange because at the time I was just kidding with him.