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    By Michael Bane
    http://michaelbane.blogspot.com/2008...-shooters.html

    Hunters vs. Shooters I posted this rant on a DRTV thread on "Hunters vs. Shooters," and upon reflection thought it needed to be a blog post as well:

    You guys know this is a subject that has been on my front burner for years, right?


    I stopped hunting a long time ago, largely because I have the attention span of an 8 year-old...made me a good IPSC shooter and a miserable person in a tree stand. Hunting and shooting are, in fact, two sides of the same coin. My gripe was that hunting was the giganto senior partner, to the virtual exclusion of the shooting sports side of the coin.

    Several things have happened to change that perception:

    • Eventually, people in the industry started listening to me and other voices, like Paul Erhardt, Jim Shepherd, Tom Taylor at S&W, Steve Sanetti and Ken Jorgensen at Ruger, Paul Januzzo (formerly) at Glock, etc. When I keynoted the last huge hunting enclave several years ago — the guy who was there to tell people what they didn't want to hear — my comments were met with stony silence. I said the truth — deal with us, work with us, because we're half the market and we pay 75% of the excise taxes that state fish and game run on...I said taxation without representation is STILL tyranny...one of the reps from a huge hunting accessories company pigeonholed me after the talk..."Good work, jerk," he said, although he used a stronger word than "jerk." "You're single-handedly going to tear this industry to pieces."

    However, at the upcoming NSSF Shooting Sports Summit in a couple of weeks, the list of speakers has totally changed...me, Erhardt, Shepherd, Sanetti (now head of NSSF), etc.

    Even more importantly, for the first time we have a definitive study that totally backs up everything we've been saying...the (as yet unreleased) omnibus NSSF study on hunting and shooting trends in the United States. It's scary negative, but here's the key stat...of the overall market:
    • 43% define themselves as primarily hunting
    • 43% define themselves as primarily shooters
    • 14% do both
    EQUAL MARKETS, as we've been saying for the better part of a decade!

    • The Zumbo Effect...no other single event had the profound effect on the industry as the slagging of Jim Zumbo. Jim made his ill-thought-out remarks on a Friday afternoon; by Sunday evening the entire firearms industry understood who was now driving the machine. I've told Jim to his face that I was sorry for the role I had to play, but that it had to be done! We could not continue, much less go into another election cycle, with everyone, including Congress, acting like "hunting" and "shooting" were synonymous, so all anybody needed to do to suck up to us was conserve some wetlands and talk about ducks!

    • The ascendency of the AR-15 platform as the most popular rifle on earth...when I first started talking about the size and depth of the black rifle market 3 or 4 years ago, I was flatly told by "industry experts" that I was crazy. This numbers are now accepted as the baseline (and 2008 sales, driven by Obama, are at levels that are already breath-taking even to me). OUTDOOR LIFE magazine considers my 6-page article on ARs in the field a year or so ago to be one of the most important articles they've ever published, and it laid to rest the naysayers.

    [img]file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/HP_ADM%7E1/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/moz-screenshot.jpg[/img]• The rise of industry "heroes," like the inestimable Ronnie Barrett, who showed everyone what "standing up" looked like, and people like the aforementioned Sanetti, Taylor, Jorgensen, Bob Morrison at Taurus, former NSSF head Doug Painter and NSSF legal expert Larry Keene, former NRA Prez Sandy Froman and new Prez John Siglar and many others, who understood and understand that the world is changing and were willing to put the gun culture first.

    I've said this before, we go into the most important elections of our lives more united than we've ever been before. We on the shooting side need to reach out to the hunting side...there is still some awkwardness, but nothing we can't overcome.

    Make no mistake about it...the gun culture is going to war. The Democrats have given in to their basest instincts and given us a candidate who, all hyperbole aside, will if he gets the power take our guns — all our guns! — and gut the Second Amendment, a man who holds what we believe in to the core of our beings in utter contempt.

    I watched Bob Barr on Glenn Beck last night. Bob is a man I've met, a man I hugely respect, a warrior, a man who has a spot-on analysis of America at this juncture...and a man I will not vote for this November! If te Dems had run one of their "political *****" candidates, maybe even the lovely and talented Hillary Clinton, I might have opted to vote Libertarian, where my heart is, rather than for a man I particularly dislike who champions a morally and ethically bankrupt political party of weasels and morons.

    But that's not what the Dems have done...they've played the scary card.

    And as is typical, we as a voting block are invisible. Ever wonder why the MSM never seems to mention guns as a major battleground? Because they totally understand, as do the Dems, that the more invisible we are, the easier we are to step on after the election. Is there anybody here who doesn't believe that an Obama as President with a huge majority Democratic House and Senate won't do exactly what he says he will do and ram through a new — and permanent — AWB? Ammo controls like microstamping? "Smart gun" initiatives and restrictions on "unsafe" guns? Closing public lands to shooting? Lots and lots of "reasonable" gun laws...

    Okay, rant mode off...remember, my job is to be strident, because so many in our culture aren't.

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    longwatch wrote:
    Okay, rant mode off...remember, my job is to be strident, because so many in our culture aren't.
    Yeah, and we have 'moderators' to ensure dispassionate bathos.

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    If Obama is elected, I am going to kill myself.

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    Why would you do that? You already live in Illinois, you should be used to what it will be like under Obama. Besides it would only satisfy him to see that.

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    I hope he is right. I hope that the "2A protects hunters" crowd realize that we are all in the same boat and will drown together if Obama is allowed to drill holes in the hull.
    Bob Owens @ Bearing Arms (paraphrased): "These people aren't against violence; they're very much in favor of violence. They're against armed resistance."

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    And here we are, the election, and possibly the apocalypse, upon us. At the other end of the political battlefield are the elitist aristocrats, intent on removing people from the government. We, who own the power now must stand together as brothers-in-arms to save not only our right to bear arms but every other right and conservative hope in America the Beautiful.

    No Barack Hussein Obama is gonna take my AR-15, M1 Garand, M1 Carbine, M1911, Glock 23, Ruger KP95D, Walther P38, or Mossberg 500. And I don't think you want to lose your arsenal either. We are the last right wing country on earth, and we are being swallowed up by socialist extortionists who have no regard for human rights or safety.

    We have been dormant through this, defended by the constitution. The Leftists have no regard, though, for shields of the past. It is time, comrades of liberty, to not be defended by the constitution, but to defend it ourselves. Load your rifles of freedom, and break the chains of communist oppression! For today, we must assert ourselves as those who are brave, worthy, and verymuch visible opposition.

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    PremierRed wrote:
    And here we are, the election, and possibly the apocalypse, upon us. At the other end of the political battlefield are the elitist aristocrats, intent on removing people from the government. We, who own the power now must stand together as brothers-in-arms to save not only our right to bear arms but every other right and conservative hope in America the Beautiful.

    No Barack Hussein Obama is gonna take my AR-15, M1 Garand, M1 Carbine, M1911, Glock 23, Ruger KP95D, Walther P38, or Mossberg 500. And I don't think you want to lose your arsenal either. We are the last right wing country on earth, and we are being swallowed up by socialist extortionists who have no regard for human rights or safety.

    We have been dormant through this, defended by the constitution. The Leftists have no regard, though, for shields of the past. It is time, comrades of liberty, to not be defended by the constitution, but to defend it ourselves. Load your rifles of freedom, and break the chains of communist oppression! For today, we must assert ourselves as those who are brave, worthy, and verymuch visible opposition.
    O.K. PremierRed, so are you saying it is time to shoot the bastards?:celebrate



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    Are the bastards the liberals or the hunters?:what:



    He wore his gun outside his pants for all the honest world to see. Pancho & Lefty

    The millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us....There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! ...The war is inevitableand let it come! I repeat it, Sir, let it come . PATRICK HENRY speech 1776

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    I_Hate_Illinois wrote:
    If Obama is elected, I am going to kill myself.
    Better get that bullet ready.

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    John wrote:
    I_Hate_Illinois wrote:
    If Obama is elected, I am going to kill myself.
    Better get that bullet ready.
    IHI won't have to do that. Just wait until gas is $12 per gallon, half the small businesses are closed down due to (even more) confiscatory taxes, there is a food shortage because despite sitting on 500 years worth of oil we are burning food for fuel and we have slid into nearly being a third world nation. Most of us will starve to death in the great depression that follows his election. No need to waste ammo, which will be quite valuable by then, to off yourself. Save the ammo and pass it on to your family after US currency collapses every bullet will be worth more than any of our lives are at that point. I do however expect that he will once and for all eliminate that fat American problem.
    Bob Owens @ Bearing Arms (paraphrased): "These people aren't against violence; they're very much in favor of violence. They're against armed resistance."

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    In keeping with the general sense of the End Times, I'm working on a way to make oil out of poor people.

    As for the ostensible topic, I'd say that I'm 90% shooter/10% hunter. Most of my hunting trips turn into shooting trips out of frustration. I don't have the patience for big game, and I don't have much luck with small game. I usually make abortive forays into the winter woods, if only to support the idea of hunting by paying the license fees to keep wilderness available for it.

    -ljp

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