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    This is not good from any standpoint.

    http://www.wistv.com/Global/story.asp?S=8451232




    COLUMBIA, SC (WIS) -Authorities saya four-year-oldgirl from Salley is recovering after she grabbed a gun out of her grandmother's purse and shot herself in the Harbison Blvd. Sam's Club Monday.

    The childunderwent emergency surgeryMonday afternoon at Palmetto Health Richland Memorial Hospital.

    Lewis says no major organs were hit by the bullet, and the child is out of surgery and in therecovery room right now. The hospital says she's in stable condition.

    Investigators tell WIS News 10's Stewart Moore they believe the child was sitting in her grandmother's shopping cart when she pulled a small-caliber handgun out of her grandmother's shopping cart and accidentally shot herself in the chest.

    The entire incident was captured on surveillance cameras near the store's pharmacy.

    "They made an announcement that they were closing and that there was an official on the scene. No announcements to what happened," said Heath Mills, who was in the store at the time.

    CPD spokesmanBrick Lewis says the grandmother has not been charged with a crime, and no other injurieshave beenreported.

    Lewis says the grandmother, Donna Hutto Williamson, has a weapons permit.

    Store officials say the store was closed for about an hour after the shooting.

    "Everyone at Sam's Club is deeply saddened by today's tragedy. Our thoughts and prayers are with the little girl and her family," said Tara Stewart, South Carolina spokesperson for Wal-Mart and Sam's Club.

    Stewartsaid as of right now they do not have a policy on concealed weapons, but after this incident, that could change.

    "While we don't have a sign posted, Ithink everyone knows the rules and laws. We are working with police to make changes if necessary," said Stewart.

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    Well, sorry to say it, but the grandmother is an idiot for leaving her purse alone with the kid knowing full well she had a loaded gun in there........she should be charged with negligence of some kind........use the laws we have to fix the situation......instead people will be calling for more useless laws to "fix the problem" that doesn't exist.........

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    So many things wrong with this I don't know where to begin. If you're not willing to keep your purse clung close to your body at all times, then your gun should not be in it. Get a concealment holster that is on your body.

    I also wonder if this was the first time this little girl ever saw a real gun. No amount of sheltering can replace proper education.

    I really hope Walmart/Sams doesn't have the knee jerk reaction that the spokesperson seems to indicate may be coming.

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    Again, one stupid f!@$%ing b*&!h may ruin it for everyone. Stupid, stupid irresponsible woman!!
    Bob Owens @ Bearing Arms (paraphrased): "These people aren't against violence; they're very much in favor of violence. They're against armed resistance."

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    Yep - that's a real shame. And South Carolina doesn't recognize Virginia concealed handgun permits because the training requirements are not as rigorous as those in South Carolina.

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    A couple of years ago, my then 6 year old granddaughter spent the summer with us.

    One of the first things I did was take her to my room, sit her down, show her my carry gun and explain to her what it is and why I carry it. (to protect those I love.)

    I taught her the first 2 firearms rules, (Treat every gun as if it is loaded and never point any gun at anything you don't want to destroy) and I gave her strict instructions that if she ever saw a gun she was not to touch it , but was to go immediately to an adult she trusted and tell them what she had seen.

    If you teach them correct principles then they can govern themselves.

    I know my granddaughter learned her lesson as illustrated by the following story.

    My wife, my daughter, my granddaughter and I were on a hike in the woods. I was pointing out the beauties of nature, which is my way, and we came across some bear scat. I pointed this out to my family and as my granddaughter realized what this was and what it meant about the trail that we were on, her eyes got very big and she looked up at me and said. "Grandpa, do you have your gun with you?" I answered that I did. She let out a relieved sigh and said. "Oh good." She knew that I was still able to protect her.

    It is the vested responsibility of those who chose to carry to educate those they love and are to protect, as to the nature, purpose and proper handling of firearms.

    This grandmother did not fulfill her responsibility.

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    Stories of irresponsible adult gun owners allowing children to hurt themselves or other innocents with them really infuriate me.
    Bob Owens @ Bearing Arms (paraphrased): "These people aren't against violence; they're very much in favor of violence. They're against armed resistance."

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    deepdiver wrote:
    Again, one stupid f!@$%ing b*&!h may ruin it for everyone. Stupid, stupid irresponsible woman!!
    Those damned concealed carry people ruining it for us open carriers...

    :?

    Anyhow, I'd also take issue with the fact that the child was obviously out of sight of the grandmother at the time... since the child shot herself in the chest, it sounds as though she was fiddling with it for a while. I could be wrong, though.



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    How do you shoot yourself in the chest and miss all of the vital organs? What caliber was this that failed to kill a 4 year old?

    I'm glad that the girl is recovering and only in serious condition. Shows that children are never to young to be taught the basics about firearms.

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    Sitrep wrote:
    How do you shoot yourself in the chest and miss all of the vital organs? What caliber was this that failed to kill a 4 year old?
    Well, stopping power and lethality are not necessarily the same thing. Just because it did not kill her doesn't mean it didn't stop her.

    Edit: OMG, this is a discussion about the tragic injury of a 4 year old. I think I need to go take a shower now after saying that.

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    Sitrep wrote:
    How do you shoot yourself in the chest and miss all of the vital organs? What caliber was this that failed to kill a 4 year old?

    I'm glad that the girl is recovering and only in serious condition. Shows that children are never to young to be taught the basics about firearms.
    The reports I have read said either a .22 or .25 and the bullet went all the way through her torso. A miracle indeed.

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    Yes, I am sure the stopping power required for a 4 year old is quite low.

    I don't mean to make light of this poor little girls injuries, but it does sound like she is doing ok.

    edit: Through the torso without hitting any vital organs, wow, I think that should earn her some kind of marksmanship badge.

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    mebbe a mod could merge this thread w/ the other one pertaining to this subject.

    or they could just go through the forum randomly locking threads...



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    This is why you should always carry your firearm on your body somewhere. You will know immediately if someone is snatching it. It's too easy to leave a bag laying around for someone to rummage around in.

    I understand that for many females it's hard to carry a firearm on a belt holster, but there are many ways to carry not in your purse. And, well, this being OC.org, may I suggest that females just carry it unconcealed?

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    kurtmax_0 wrote:
    This is why you should always carry your firearm on your body somewhere. You will know immediately if someone is snatching it. It's too easy to leave a bag laying around for someone to rummage around in.

    I understand that for many females it's hard to carry a firearm on a belt holster, but there are many ways to carry not in your purse. And, well, this being OC.org, may I suggest that females just carry it unconcealed?
    Well, South Carolina doesn't present that option...

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    kurtmax_0 wrote:
    And, well, this being OC.org, may I suggest that females just carry it unconcealed?
    I for one don't think a senile old woman (or man) should be allowed to carry a gun, just like they shouldn't be allowed to drive.

    And please note I said senile, I of course don'tthink that all of our senior citizens should be disarmed.

    /dons asbestos suit

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    USAF_MetalChris wrote:
    kurtmax_0 wrote:
    And, well, this being OC.org, may I suggest that females just carry it unconcealed?
    I for one don't think a senile old woman (or man) should be allowed to carry a gun, just like they shouldn't be allowed to drive.

    And please note I said senile, I of course don'tthink that all of our senior citizens should be disarmed.

    /dons asbestos suit
    The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed... except for persons elderly, senile AND female.

    Personally I think she should be charged with criminal negligence or child endangerment. I don't believe the state should have the power to issue CHPs so I don't think they should have the power to take them away. But criminal charges should be filed. This is just way too irresponsible.

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    USAF_MetalChris wrote:
    kurtmax_0 wrote:
    And, well, this being OC.org, may I suggest that females just carry it unconcealed?
    I for one don't think a senile old woman (or man) should be allowed to carry a gun, just like they shouldn't be allowed to drive.

    And please note I said senile, I of course don'tthink that all of our senior citizens should be disarmed.

    /dons asbestos suit
    So, then, who decides what is "senile"?

    The same people who decide who is "fit" to carry a gun? Who goes into the magical Brady "prohibited persons" list? Who "needs" to carry a gun in may-issue states?

    It's simple: if a person can be trusted to exist in public, that person deserves his natural right to self defense by carrying a handgun. Otherwise, that person must be in a secure facility (jail or mental institution) that will provide protection. To deny someone the right to protection is in itself criminally negligent.

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    imperialism2024 wrote:
    USAF_MetalChris wrote:
    kurtmax_0 wrote:
    And, well, this being OC.org, may I suggest that females just carry it unconcealed?
    I for one don't think a senile old woman (or man) should be allowed to carry a gun, just like they shouldn't be allowed to drive.

    And please note I said senile, I of course don'tthink that all of our senior citizens should be disarmed.

    /dons asbestos suit
    It's simple: if a person can be trusted to exist in public, that person deserves his natural right to self defense by carrying a handgun. Otherwise, that person must be in a secure facility (jail or mental institution) that will provide protection. To deny someone the right to protection is in itself criminally negligent.
    I agree. This is why senile old folks should be kept in homes.

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    Here's another take on the story, this one has a bit more info:

    Lueen Homewood was picking up a prescription Monday morning at the Sam’s Club on Harbison Boulevard when she heard a “horrible loud pop and then this screaming” behind her.

    To her horror, a 4-year-old girl had been shot.

    “I saw the gun on the floor... I saw a woman holding this little girl,” recalled Homewood, 62, of Columbia.

    The girl was sitting in a shopping cart being pushed by her grandmother — an Aiken County magistrate — when she pulled out a loaded, small-caliber handgun from her grandmother’s purse and accidentally shot herself in the chest, Columbia police said.

    Store employees immediately took the girl to a side room, grabbing first aid kits and other medical items off the shelves to treat her, Homewood said.

    The girl, whom police have not identified, was taken to Palmetto Health Richland, where she underwent surgery. Police spokesman Brick Lewis said doctors told relatives there appeared to be “no major damage from the bullet.”

    The girl was expected to be transferred later Monday to intensive care for observation.

    Police identified the grandmother as Donna Hutto Williamson, 47, of Salley, in eastern Aiken County, who has been a magistrate since 1998.

    No charges have been issued, and an investigation is continuing, said Capt. Thomas Dodson, head of the department’s criminal investigations division, who described the shooting as “tragic.”

    “Improper carrying, storing or handling of firearms can result in damage and injury — and this is what we have here today.”

    Williamson has a valid state permit to carry a concealed weapon, Dodson said. State Law Enforcement Division records indicate she has no criminal record in South Carolina.

    Efforts to reach Williamson on Monday were unsuccessful.

    Her mother-in-law, Inease Williamson, said Donna Hutto Williamson was distraught after the shooting — “just beating herself up; she is just so upset.”

    S.C. Supreme Court Chief Justice Jean Toal, who oversees magistrate courts statewide, said Monday she wasn’t aware of the incident and couldn’t comment.

    Investigators hadn’t yet determined why Williamson was carrying a gun in the store, Lewis said.

    Herself a grandmother of 13, Homewood can’t understand it.

    “They say it was an accident, but it was an accident waiting to happen,” she said.

    Peter Hamm, spokesman for the nonprofit Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, said Monday’s incident is “unfortunately ... all too common” nationwide.

    “The best way to make sure that kids don’t get injured with a firearm is not to have a firearm around,” he said. “If you’re going to have a gun around a kid, you should have a trigger lock on it so you can’t operate the thing.”

    According to a just-released report from the nonprofit Children’s Defense Fund, 3,006 children and teens died in 2005 in the U.S. from firearms — a 6 percent increase from 2004 — after more than a decade of decline.

    The study was based on the most recently available data from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

    The National Rifle Association, which advocates the rights of gun owners, did not respond to a request for information for this story.

    Store officials referred questions about the incident to police.

    “Everyone at Sam’s Club is deeply saddened by today’s tragedy,” Tara Stewart, company spokeswoman for South Carolina, said in a prepared statement. “Our thoughts and prayers are with the little girl and her family.”

    There was no sign at the Sam’s Club telling customers they could not bring a gun into the store. Corporate officials did not respond to questions about whether store policy bans customers from carrying firearms in their stores.

    People in South Carolina who have concealed weapons permits can’t legally take a gun into government buildings, schools or day care facilities — or into private businesses that forbid them.

    The Sam’s Club was closed immediately after the incident but reopened later. The shooting occurred at about 10:50 a.m. near the pharmacy section toward the front of the store, Dodson said.

    The girl is seen on a store security video reaching into her grandmother’s purse, which was next to her in the shopping cart, as Williamson was pushing the cart down an aisle, Dodson said. She then turned onto another aisle and was about half-way down it when the shooting occurred.

    “It was fairly obvious the grandmother didn’t know the child was handling the firearm,” Dodson said, adding, “You certainly don’t let a child have access to the purse in the first place.”

    The shot from the .22- or .25-caliber handgun went completely through the girl’s chest, Dodson said. Williamson is seen on the video holding her hands over her ears after the gun was fired, then grabbing her granddaughter, who slumped over in the cart.

    About a dozen people are seen on the tape standing nearby when the shooting occurred, though no one else was hit, Dodson said.

    Homewood was “so impressed with how the Sam’s Club people jumped right to it” and came to the aid of the girl.

    Still, Homewood, who shops regularly at the store, said the incident has unsettled her.

    “I’m going to be paranoid about people walking around with guns in their purses.”

    Reach Brundrett at (803) 771-8484. The Associated Press contributed to this report.

    FIREARM SAFETY

    To protect children from gun violence, the National Crime Prevention Council recommends:

    Lock it up — If you own a gun, keep it locked up, unloaded, and out of reach of children. Lock up ammunition separately. Use a trigger lock.

    Teach that guns kill — In television shows and movies, good guys rarely die; only the bad guys do. Video game characters have many lives. Talk about who is affected by gun violence: victims, their children, parents, friends and community. Discuss the consequences for the shooter and his family — such as jail time and guilt.

    Explain how to act around guns — Even if you don’t own a gun, a neighbor probably does. If children know how you want them to act around guns, they will be more likely to act safely. Teach kids four steps to gun safety: Stop; don’t touch; get away, tell an adult.
    “I’m going to be paranoid about people walking around with guns in their purses.”

    I for one am with her on this. I also am at least slightly concerned about unqualified senile old women letting their little grandchildren play with their pistols...

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