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This is not good, 4 year old shoots self in Sam's
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compmanio365
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Well, sorry to say it, but the grandmother is an idiot for leaving her purse alone with the kid knowing full well she had a loaded gun in there........she should be charged with negligence of some kind........use the laws we have to fix the situation......instead people will be calling for more useless laws to "fix the problem" that doesn't exist.........:banghead:
Well, sorry to say it, but the grandmother is an idiot for leaving her purse alone with the kid knowing full well she had a loaded gun in there........she should be charged with negligence of some kind........use the laws we have to fix the situation......instead people will be calling for more useless laws to "fix the problem" that doesn't exist.........:banghead:
asforme
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So many things wrong with this I don't know where to begin. If you're not willing to keep your purse clung close to your body at all times, then your gun should not be in it. Get a concealment holster that is on your body.
I also wonder if this was the first time this little girl ever saw a real gun. No amount of sheltering can replace proper education.
I really hope Walmart/Sams doesn't have the knee jerk reaction that the spokesperson seems to indicate may be coming.
So many things wrong with this I don't know where to begin. If you're not willing to keep your purse clung close to your body at all times, then your gun should not be in it. Get a concealment holster that is on your body.
I also wonder if this was the first time this little girl ever saw a real gun. No amount of sheltering can replace proper education.
I really hope Walmart/Sams doesn't have the knee jerk reaction that the spokesperson seems to indicate may be coming.
deepdiver
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:cuss: Again, one stupid f!@$%ing b*&!h may ruin it for everyone. Stupid, stupid irresponsible woman!! :banghead:
:cuss: Again, one stupid f!@$%ing b*&!h may ruin it for everyone. Stupid, stupid irresponsible woman!! :banghead:
BigdoggyB
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080610/ap_on_re_us/sam_s_club_child_shot
edit - sorry double post
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080610/ap_on_re_us/sam_s_club_child_shot
edit - sorry double post
Opie
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Yep - that's a real shame. And South Carolina doesn't recognize Virginia concealed handgun permits because the training requirements are not as rigorous as those in South Carolina.
Yep - that's a real shame. And South Carolina doesn't recognize Virginia concealed handgun permits because the training requirements are not as rigorous as those in South Carolina.
tarzan1888
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A couple of years ago, my then 6 year old granddaughter spent the summer with us.
One of the first things I did was take her to my room, sit her down, show her my carry gun and explain to her what it is and why I carry it. (to protect those I love.)
I taught her the first 2 firearms rules, (Treat every gun as if it is loaded and never point any gun at anything you don't want to destroy) and I gave her strict instructions that if she ever saw a gun she was not to touch it , but was to go immediately to an adult she trusted and tell them what she had seen.
If you teach them correct principles then they can govern themselves.
I know my granddaughter learned her lesson as illustrated by the following story.
My wife, my daughter, my granddaughter and I were on a hike in the woods. I was pointing out the beauties of nature, which is my way, and we came across some bear scat. I pointed this out to my family and as my granddaughter realized what this was and what it meant about the trail that we were on, her eyes got very big and she looked up at me and said. "Grandpa, do you have your gun with you?" I answered that I did. She let out a relieved sigh and said. "Oh good." She knew that I was still able to protect her.
It is the vested responsibility of those who chose to carry to educate those they love and are to protect, as to the nature, purpose and proper handling of firearms.
This grandmother did not fulfill her responsibility.
Tarzan
A couple of years ago, my then 6 year old granddaughter spent the summer with us.
One of the first things I did was take her to my room, sit her down, show her my carry gun and explain to her what it is and why I carry it. (to protect those I love.)
I taught her the first 2 firearms rules, (Treat every gun as if it is loaded and never point any gun at anything you don't want to destroy) and I gave her strict instructions that if she ever saw a gun she was not to touch it , but was to go immediately to an adult she trusted and tell them what she had seen.
If you teach them correct principles then they can govern themselves.
I know my granddaughter learned her lesson as illustrated by the following story.
My wife, my daughter, my granddaughter and I were on a hike in the woods. I was pointing out the beauties of nature, which is my way, and we came across some bear scat. I pointed this out to my family and as my granddaughter realized what this was and what it meant about the trail that we were on, her eyes got very big and she looked up at me and said. "Grandpa, do you have your gun with you?" I answered that I did. She let out a relieved sigh and said. "Oh good." She knew that I was still able to protect her.
It is the vested responsibility of those who chose to carry to educate those they love and are to protect, as to the nature, purpose and proper handling of firearms.
This grandmother did not fulfill her responsibility.
Tarzan
deepdiver
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Stories of irresponsible adult gun owners allowing children to hurt themselves or other innocents with them really infuriate me.
Stories of irresponsible adult gun owners allowing children to hurt themselves or other innocents with them really infuriate me.
imperialism2024
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deepdiver wrote:
:?
Anyhow, I'd also take issue with the fact that the child was obviously out of sight of the grandmother at the time... since the child shot herself in the chest, it sounds as though she was fiddling with it for a while. I could be wrong, though.
deepdiver wrote:
Those damned concealed carry people ruining it for us open carriers...
:?
Anyhow, I'd also take issue with the fact that the child was obviously out of sight of the grandmother at the time... since the child shot herself in the chest, it sounds as though she was fiddling with it for a while. I could be wrong, though.
Sitrep
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How do you shoot yourself in the chest and miss all of the vital organs? What caliber was this that failed to kill a 4 year old?
I'm glad that the girl is recovering and only in serious condition. Shows that children are never to young to be taught the basics about firearms.
How do you shoot yourself in the chest and miss all of the vital organs? What caliber was this that failed to kill a 4 year old?
I'm glad that the girl is recovering and only in serious condition. Shows that children are never to young to be taught the basics about firearms.
asforme
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Sitrep wrote:
Edit: OMG, this is a discussion about the tragic injury of a 4 year old. I think I need to go take a shower now after saying that.
Sitrep wrote:
Well, stopping power and lethality are not necessarily the same thing. Just because it did not kill her doesn't mean it didn't stop her.
Edit: OMG, this is a discussion about the tragic injury of a 4 year old. I think I need to go take a shower now after saying that.
asforme
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PT111
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Sitrep wrote:
Sitrep wrote:
The reports I have read said either a .22 or .25 and the bullet went all the way through her torso. A miracle indeed.
Sitrep
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Yes, I am sure the stopping power required for a 4 year old is quite low.
I don't mean to make light of this poor little girls injuries, but it does sound like she is doing ok.
edit: Through the torso without hitting any vital organs, wow, I think that should earn her some kind of marksmanship badge.
Yes, I am sure the stopping power required for a 4 year old is quite low.
I don't mean to make light of this poor little girls injuries, but it does sound like she is doing ok.
edit: Through the torso without hitting any vital organs, wow, I think that should earn her some kind of marksmanship badge.
MetalChris
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mebbe a mod could merge this thread w/ the other one pertaining to this subject.
or they could just go through the forum randomly locking threads... :uhoh:
mebbe a mod could merge this thread w/ the other one pertaining to this subject.
or they could just go through the forum randomly locking threads... :uhoh:
kurtmax_0
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This is why you should always carry your firearm on your body somewhere. You will know immediately if someone is snatching it. It's too easy to leave a bag laying around for someone to rummage around in.
I understand that for many females it's hard to carry a firearm on a belt holster, but there are many ways to carry not in your purse. And, well, this being OC.org, may I suggest that females just carry it unconcealed?
This is why you should always carry your firearm on your body somewhere. You will know immediately if someone is snatching it. It's too easy to leave a bag laying around for someone to rummage around in.
I understand that for many females it's hard to carry a firearm on a belt holster, but there are many ways to carry not in your purse. And, well, this being OC.org, may I suggest that females just carry it unconcealed?
imperialism2024
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kurtmax_0 wrote:
kurtmax_0 wrote:
Well, South Carolina doesn't present that option...This is why you should always carry your firearm on your body somewhere. You will know immediately if someone is snatching it. It's too easy to leave a bag laying around for someone to rummage around in.
I understand that for many females it's hard to carry a firearm on a belt holster, but there are many ways to carry not in your purse. And, well, this being OC.org, may I suggest that females just carry it unconcealed?
MetalChris
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kurtmax_0 wrote:
And please note I said senile, I of course don'tthink that all of our senior citizens should be disarmed.
/dons asbestos suit
kurtmax_0 wrote:
I for one don't think a senile old woman (or man) should be allowed to carry a gun, just like they shouldn't be allowed to drive.And, well, this being OC.org, may I suggest that females just carry it unconcealed?
And please note I said senile, I of course don'tthink that all of our senior citizens should be disarmed.
/dons asbestos suit
asforme
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USAF_MetalChris wrote:
Personally I think she should be charged with criminal negligence or child endangerment. I don't believe the state should have the power to issue CHPs so I don't think they should have the power to take them away. But criminal charges should be filed. This is just way too irresponsible.
USAF_MetalChris wrote:
The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed... except for persons elderly, senile AND female.kurtmax_0 wrote:I for one don't think a senile old woman (or man) should be allowed to carry a gun, just like they shouldn't be allowed to drive.And, well, this being OC.org, may I suggest that females just carry it unconcealed?
And please note I said senile, I of course don'tthink that all of our senior citizens should be disarmed.
/dons asbestos suit
Personally I think she should be charged with criminal negligence or child endangerment. I don't believe the state should have the power to issue CHPs so I don't think they should have the power to take them away. But criminal charges should be filed. This is just way too irresponsible.
imperialism2024
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USAF_MetalChris wrote:
The same people who decide who is "fit" to carry a gun? Who goes into the magical Brady "prohibited persons" list? Who "needs" to carry a gun in may-issue states?
It's simple: if a person can be trusted to exist in public, that person deserves his natural right to self defense by carrying a handgun. Otherwise, that person must be in a secure facility (jail or mental institution) that will provide protection. To deny someone the right to protection is in itself criminally negligent.
USAF_MetalChris wrote:
So, then, who decides what is "senile"?kurtmax_0 wrote:I for one don't think a senile old woman (or man) should be allowed to carry a gun, just like they shouldn't be allowed to drive.And, well, this being OC.org, may I suggest that females just carry it unconcealed?
And please note I said senile, I of course don'tthink that all of our senior citizens should be disarmed.
/dons asbestos suit
The same people who decide who is "fit" to carry a gun? Who goes into the magical Brady "prohibited persons" list? Who "needs" to carry a gun in may-issue states?
It's simple: if a person can be trusted to exist in public, that person deserves his natural right to self defense by carrying a handgun. Otherwise, that person must be in a secure facility (jail or mental institution) that will provide protection. To deny someone the right to protection is in itself criminally negligent.