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    http://www.ronpaul2008.com/

    Thanks Ron, for giving us hope.

    According to POTUS on XM radio, he's gonna focus on promoting and endorsing the Libertarian candidates.

    Looks McCain gets my vote.

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    I understand why he dropped out, even if I don't agree with it.

    Anyhow, McCain is not getting my vote.

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    Well Rats!! I felt he had a solid chance! I'm going back to my party and voting for Chuck Baldwin of the: http://www.constitutionparty.org/

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    I cannot vote for McCain or Obama. Impossible. :X

    I will write in Paul or vote libertarian.

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    imperialism2024 wrote:
    Anyhow, McCain is not getting my vote.
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    No NAU wrote:
    I cannot vote for McCain or Obama. Impossible. :X

    I will write in Paul or vote libertarian.
    And if you vote Libertarian you get... Bob Barr...also not so good a choice.

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    Ah what a sucky thing to wake up too. I knew it was over but reading now is like a punch in the gut. I hope all this effort carries on to make some actual change.

    This was in my inbox.

    Friday, June 13, 2008


    Over the past 17 months you and I delivered a message of freedom, the likes of which American politics has not seen in decades. With the primary season now over, the presidential campaign has come to an end. But the Revolution has only begun.

    Today I am happy to announce the official launch of the Ron Paul Campaign for Liberty. Please visit our new website and join us: http://www.campaignforliberty.com

    Over the next few months I will be developing a program, assembling a team, and announcing new and exciting projects. We will have a permanent presence on the American political landscape. That I promise you.

    Right now, I need your patience and support. I want the Campaign for Liberty to be a grassroots campaign; so your energy, your creativity, your feedback, and your participation are essential.

    Together, we will educate our fellow Americans in freedom, sound money, non-interventionism, and free markets. We will write commentaries and broadcast videos on the news of the day. And I'll work with friends whom I respect to design materials for homeschoolers.

    Politically, we will expand the great work of our precinct leader program. We will make our presence felt at every level of government. We will keep an eye on Congress, and lobby against legislation that threatens us. And we will identify and support candidates who champion our great ideas.

    "In the final analysis," I wrote in my new book The Revolution: A Manifesto, "the last line of defense in support of freedom and the Constitution consists of the people themselves. If the people want to be free, if they want to lift themselves out from underneath a state apparatus that threatens their liberties, squanders their resources on needless wars, destroys the value of their dollar, and spews forth endless propaganda about how indispensable it is and how lost we would all be without it, there is no force that can stop them."

    Our time has come to act on these words.

    May future generations look back on our work and say that these were men and women who, in a moment of great crisis, stood up to their politicians, the opinion-makers, and the establishment, and saved their country.

    For liberty,

    Ron Paul
    As for me, I'm probably voting McCain. I ain't happy about it, but no win situations seldom are, its just damage control and the hope we as gun owners and liberty minded folks can ride herd on a President McCain.

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    Evil Ernie wrote:
    http://www.ronpaul2008.com/

    Thanks Ron, for giving us hope.

    According to POTUS on XM radio, he's gonna focus on promoting and endorsing the Libertarian candidates.

    Looks McCain gets my vote.
    American voters seem to be indifferent to third parties. Our media and two-party system effectively shuts them out of any sort of debate.

    As Dr. Paul is pledging to do, the emphasis should shift away from trying to build up the party to influencing Republicans (and hopefully some Democrats) toward the principles of freedom, limited government, and an overall attitude that the state is subordinated to the people, not the other way around.



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    I wonder why he gave up. He was the only one I felt like voting for... With him out of the race, I don't even want to vote.

    I guess I'll just have to do a write in - I don't like it, but I feel I have no choice.

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    No NAU wrote:
    I cannot vote for McCain or Obama. Impossible. :X

    I will write in Paul or vote libertarian.
    Voting for Paul is the same thing as voting for Obama. Be happy with your choice, and the results.

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    ScottNH wrote:
    Voting for Paul is the same thing as voting for Obama.¬* Be happy with your choice, and the results.
    I don't believe that.

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    mkl wrote:
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    Voting for Paul is the same thing as voting for Obama. Be happy with your choice, and the results.
    I don't believe that.
    That's like saying you don't believe in Gravitybecause you don't like it. It's not an opinion thing. In the final analysis,you canvotefor McCain or for Obama. Anyothervote falls intoone of those two categories. You may not like it, but those are the facts. Ask Bush 41 how that whole Ross Perot 3rd Party vote worked out for him, and how it worked out for Bill Clinton.

    When the vote's are counted, and Obama gets more than McCain, but not more than McCain + Paul/Barr/Name your wacko, and one of the Clinton's is nominated to SCOTUS with a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate, we should have this discussion again.



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    ScottNH wrote:
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    Voting for Paul is the same thing as voting for Obama.¬* Be happy with your choice, and the results.
    I don't believe that.
    That's like saying you don't believe in Gravity¬*because you don't like it.¬* It's not an opinion thing.¬* In the final analysis,¬*you can¬*vote¬*for McCain or for Obama.¬* Any¬*other¬*vote falls into¬*one of those two categories.¬* You may not like it, but those are the facts.¬* Ask Bush 41 how that whole Ross Perot 3rd Party vote worked out for him, and how it worked out for Bill Clinton.

    When the vote's are counted, and Obama gets more than McCain, but not more than McCain + Paul/Barr/Name your wacko, and one of the Clinton's is nominated to SCOTUS with a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate, we should have this discussion again.

    ¬*
    No. You are wrong. This is an opinion thing, and I don't share your opinion. I can vote for McCain, or Obama, or a Libertarian, or a Constitutionalist, or someone else. Me voting for anyone, does not equal a vote for Obama. I refuse to give up and say that I only have a choice between the lesser of two evils. If all of American voted for who they *wanted* to be president, things would be much better instead of voting for the least worst.

    I can have this discussion with you any time, I haven't yet decided who I am voting for. I am not yet sure that a vote for McCain would be any better than a vote for Obama.

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    mkl wrote:
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    mkl wrote:
    ScottNH wrote:
    Voting for Paul is the same thing as voting for Obama. Be happy with your choice, and the results.
    I don't believe that.
    That's like saying you don't believe in Gravitybecause you don't like it. It's not an opinion thing. In the final analysis,you canvotefor McCain or for Obama. Anyothervote falls intoone of those two categories. You may not like it, but those are the facts. Ask Bush 41 how that whole Ross Perot 3rd Party vote worked out for him, and how it worked out for Bill Clinton.

    When the vote's are counted, and Obama gets more than McCain, but not more than McCain + Paul/Barr/Name your wacko, and one of the Clinton's is nominated to SCOTUS with a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate, we should have this discussion again.

    No. You are wrong. This is an opinion thing, and I don't share your opinion. I can vote for McCain, or Obama, or a Libertarian, or a Constitutionalist, or someone else. Me voting for anyone, does not equal a vote for Obama. I refuse to give up and say that I only have a choice between the lesser of two evils. If all of American voted for who they *wanted* to be president, things would be much better instead of voting for the least worst.

    I can have this discussion with you any time, I haven't yet decided who I am voting for. I am not yet sure that a vote for McCain would be any better than a vote for Obama.
    I drop trou and whiz into a gale-force wind, there is a completely predictable reaction, and the whiz behaves in accordance with the laws of physics, not my opinion of what it should do, nor my fervant desire to not get wet.

    Bader-Ginsburg (at least, maybe others) is just waitingfor the outcome of the next election. The SCOTUS is too important to engage in whiz experiements.


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    A truly stark day to be sure.

    However I am hopeful that the message he has given, the positive outlook we at least had will take us into a new direction with the elections of the future.

    If you haven't read Ron Paul's book you should, its very enlightening even for someone who thinks they have the right idea about how things should be done.

    And if it must be said yet once more...

    A vote for Obama or McCain is a vote for the same rehtoric and politicians to be around for the next election. Vote your morals, vote your conscience and sleep soundly knowing you did all that you could. Elections and voting are not just about voting for whom you think has the best chance. Its suppose to be about voting for the canidate you most agree with.















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    let me ask ya'll "lesser of two evils" foks a question? how do you think that the system will change, if not by folks voting with their consciences, and not voting simply "yea" or "nay"?

    personally, I refuse to vote that way. we have talked forever about constitutional values, and yet teh vast majority here woudl rather wipe their rear ends with the constitution and vote for socialist A or socialist B.

    since Ron Paul is out, I'll probably have to vote Chuck Baldwin.

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    ScottNH wrote:
    I drop trou and whiz into a gale-force wind, there is a completely predictable reaction, and the whiz behaves in accordance with the laws of physics, not my opinion of what it should do, nor my fervant desire to not get wet.

    Bader-Ginsburg (at least, maybe others) is just waiting¬*for the outcome of the next election.¬* The SCOTUS is too important to engage in whiz experiements.
    Until the wind shifts, and then you don't get the reaction you predicted. And the winds WILL shift at some point in time. There haven't always been republicans and democrats. And they won't be around forever. All it will take is for people to show the parties that they don't support what they are doing,and things will change. If I continue to vote for a candidate I don't support, the politicians have no reason to change.

    You comparing politics to physical LAWS is just silly in my opinion, because political parties WILL change.

    You're assumption that a vote for a third party is a vote for Obama is an assumption that I would vote for McCain if I didn't vote for a third party.

    If my vote for Bob Barr is actually one vote for Obama, Does that mean if I actually vote for Obama directly, would that be 2 votes for Obama?

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    ScottNH wrote:
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    I cannot vote for McCain or Obama. Impossible. :X

    I will write in Paul or vote libertarian.
    Voting for Paul is the same thing as voting for Obama. Be happy with your choice, and the results.
    A moot point because they are, for all intents and purposes, one and the same.

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    mkl wrote:
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    I drop trou and whiz into a gale-force wind, there is a completely predictable reaction, and the whiz behaves in accordance with the laws of physics, not my opinion of what it should do, nor my fervant desire to not get wet.

    Bader-Ginsburg (at least, maybe others) is just waitingfor the outcome of the next election. The SCOTUS is too important to engage in whiz experiements.
    Until the wind shifts, and then you don't get the reaction you predicted. And the winds WILL shift at some point in time. There haven't always been republicans and democrats. And they won't be around forever. All it will take is for people to show the parties that they don't support what they are doing,and things will change. If I continue to vote for a candidate I don't support, the politicians have no reason to change.

    You comparing politics to physical LAWS is just silly in my opinion, because political parties WILL change.

    You're assumption that a vote for a third party is a vote for Obama is an assumption that I would vote for McCain if I didn't vote for a third party.

    If my vote for Bob Barr is actually one vote for Obama, Does that mean if I actually vote for Obama directly, would that be 2 votes for Obama?
    Not in this election, they won't. Your refusal to recognize reality is even more silly.

    There is too much at stake in this election to screw around, which is exactly what you're doing. SCOTUS justices are for life. They don't go away in four years like a Jimmy Carter, and there wil be at least two openings in the upcoming Presidential term(s). How do you think Heller would have gone with Chuck Schumer/Hillary/Janet Reno/Mario Cuomo seated in place of Justices Roberts and Alito?

    Someone a lot smarter than I once said, "When you hear someone say, 'It's the principle,' just watch. Someone is about to do something stupid." Words to live by, IME.

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    Not in this election, they won't.¬* Your refusal to recognize reality is even more silly.

    There is too much at stake in this election to screw around, which is exactly what you're doing.¬* SCOTUS justices are for life.¬* They don't go away in four years like a Jimmy Carter, and there wil be at least two openings in the upcoming Presidential term(s).¬* How do you think Heller would have gone with Chuck Schumer/Hillary/Janet Reno/Mario Cuomo seated in place of Justices Roberts and Alito?

    Someone a lot smarter than I once said, "When you hear someone say, 'It's the principle,' just watch.¬* Someone is about to do something stupid."¬* Words to live by, IME.
    You again are assuming that I will like justices appointed by McCain more than I would like ones appointed by Obama. I am not so sure yet.

    Yeah, I am screwing around, I should just be a good lap dog and just vote for whoever says they like guns.

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    Dr. Ron Paul, Champion of the Constitution, has just dropped out of the presidential campaign and started another campaign, a Campaign for Liberty! Watch the below YouTube of his announcement and notice that he gives more truth in that video then he could or would have been able to as a presidential candidate.

    It's time to have constitutionally-based candidates winning all our local elections here in Utah. And it's time our US President and Congressmen back in Washington support freedom and the US Constitution.

    Please feel free to discuss this meetup's new direction.
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    YouTube of Ron Paul's announcement for a new campaign found on the Lew Rockwell Blog website (LewRockwell.com/blog): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlqXq8YxQFQ

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    Where's your proof that McCain won't nominate bad, anti-2A judges in the first place? At that, where's your proof that Obama will?

    Am I concerned about the SCOTUS judges? Of course! However, this is about a presidential election, not a SCOTUS election. How many of us want either a super far-left judge or a super far-right judge? Most of us are independent thinkers who want judges like-minded, not to the extremes. Either side will take away your rights. I value my other rights just as much as I value my 2A rights.

    By voting for McCain or Obama, we're simply saying that we like the current order of business just fine. I've had enough of voting for the lesser evil and voting against someone. I will 'throw away' my vote if that's what it takes to slap some sense into the system.

    A vote for someone isn't a vote for Obama or McCain, even if you think it is. It's a vote FOR THE PERSON WITH THAT NAME! It signifies that both the democrats and the republicans have lost your confidence and that you do not agree with their chosen candidates. Your vote doesn't automatically go to one of the two big parties. This isn't Nazi Germany where you can only vote for Nazi candidates. You can vote Mickey Mouse in as president if that's what you want!

    You have to do what you think is right and accept responsibility for it. It sucks, but nothing will change unless you want it to.

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    Where's your proof that McCain won't nominate bad, anti-2A judges in the first place? At that, where's your proof that Obama will?
    That's some kind of joke to lighten up the thread, right?

    Your vote doesn't automatically go to one of the two big parties. This isn't Nazi Germany where you can only vote for Nazi candidates.
    Do you really not understand the concept we're discussing here?

    You can vote Mickey Mouse in as president if that's what you want!
    Hey, you can use your dick to get a stuck piece of bread out of the toaster, too. Doesn't make it the smart move.

    You have to do what you think is right and accept responsibility for it.
    My point, exactly.

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    ScottNH wrote:
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    Where's your proof that McCain won't nominate bad, anti-2A judges in the first place? At that, where's your proof that Obama will?
    That's some kind of joke to lighten up the thread, right?
    Yeah, Scalia made a heck of a good ruling on habeas corpus yesterday. Those are the kind of good conservative judges we want right? The ones that will trample the constitution and take away our rights? Here's a good case where I am glad we some "liberals" on the court.

    It isn't a joke. Conservatives trample my rights just as much as the left. It doesn't matter anymore, the left and the right are the same. As long as we keep supporting a system like that, the system will continue.

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    ‚ÄúIt‚Äôs Up To The People To Save The Constitution‚ÄĚ

    http://www.wethepeoplefoundation.org...2008-06-14.htm

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