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Thread: British authorities oppose the police openly carrying; police union not so sure

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    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/3019133.stm

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    They recognise that openly carrying guns would fundamentally change their relationship with the public."

    The news comes after a police union raised concerns over a drop in the number of officers trained to use firearms.

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    I don't think I've ever seen suchan ass backward way of reality. They are truly retarded. Gun crime up 600% since 1978?!?!?!?!?! WTF? Are they really that stoooopid?!?!?!? YUP

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    Bob Owens @ Bearing Arms (paraphrased): "These people aren't against violence; they're very much in favor of violence. They're against armed resistance."

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    Great Britain, a once-great nation has, during much of the last century, suffered from the disease of parasitic liberalism, an ultimately fatal disease for any body politic in which an insidious organism slowly and quietly sucks out the physical and intellectual lifeblood until the host organism weakens and dies. Before this process is complete, a certain peculiar dementia sets in, robbing the people of the reasoning skills and insight necessary to fight the infestation. There is little we can do now to help our English-speaking cousins abroad, but the real question is whether we are willing to allow the same pathological process to eat out the substance of our culture.

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    Dutch Uncle wrote:
    Great Britain, a once-great nation has, during much of the last century, suffered from the disease of parasitic socialism, an ultimately fatal disease for any body politic in which an insidious organism slowly and quietly sucks out the physical and intellectual lifeblood until the host organism weakens and dies. Before this process is complete, a certain peculiar paranoid dementia sets in, robbing the people of the reasoning skills and insight necessary to fight the infestation. There is little we can do now to help our English-speaking cousins abroad, but the real question is whether we are willing to allow the same pathological process to eat out the substance of our culture.
    Fixed it for you

    The UK is a lost cause.

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    A link to that article ought to be posted as a response to every gun-control article in the US press.

    (UK)Gun crime facts
    Gun crime up 35% in 2002
    Firearms used in 9,974 recorded crimes
    Gun crime up 600% since 1978
    Handgun crimes have doubled since Dunblane



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    Hard to believe so many cops DON'T want to have a gun immediately available. I guess it is too heavy.

    I can only guess that criminals just do not shot cops over there so the cops are not worried about it.



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    Dutch Uncle wrote:
    Great Britain, a once-great nation has, during much of the last century, suffered from the disease of parasitic liberalism, an ultimately fatal disease for any body politic in which an insidious organism slowly and quietly sucks out the physical and intellectual lifeblood until the host organism weakens and dies. Before this process is complete, a certain peculiar dementia sets in, robbing the people of the reasoning skills and insight necessary to fight the infestation. There is little we can do now to help our English-speaking cousins abroad, but the real question is whether we are willing to allow the same pathological process to eat out the substance of our culture.
    Please don't call it liberalism. Thomas Jefferson was a liberal, a word which has the same root as "liberty". These people have stolen the title and turned it against us. Some people wanted to reclaim it a few decades ago, and had to make up a new word, libertarian, to get around the stigma of being associated with brain-eating socialists and statists.

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    Tomahawk wrote:
    SNIP Please don't call it liberalism. Thomas Jefferson was a liberal, a word which has the same root as "liberty". These people have stolen the title and turned it against us. Some people wanted to reclaim it a few decades ago, and had to make up a new word, libertarian, to get around the stigma of being associated with brain-eating socialists and statists.
    HA! Great info!!

    From now on, I'm a Jeffersonian Liberal. Let 'em wonder what the $%#@ that means.
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    Citizen wrote:
    Tomahawk wrote:
    SNIP Please don't call it liberalism. Thomas Jefferson was a liberal, a word which has the same root as "liberty". These people have stolen the title and turned it against us. Some people wanted to reclaim it a few decades ago, and had to make up a new word, libertarian, to get around the stigma of being associated with brain-eating socialists and statists.
    HA! Great info!!

    From now on, I'm a Jeffersonian Liberal. Let 'em wonder what the $%#@ that means.




    Many people already use that phrase, others use the term "classical liberal" tomean the same thing. Unfortunately, it usually goes right over people's heads, including ditto-sheep conservatives who get all their info from neo-con radio. While we're on the subject, "conservative" means you are someone who resists change, you are trying to conserve something. What, I don't know, since we failed to conserve so much since 1776, the only thing we are trying to conserve today is a massive bloated overbearing government that doesn't know when or where to stop taxing us and bombing people and spying on phone calls or strip-searching old ladies in airports. Who wants to conserve any of that stuff? Those of us who are sick of it and want to get back to the old constitution may as well start calling ourselves liberals.

    Okay, sorry for the rant, but it felt good, you know?:quirky

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    Tomahawk wrote:
    SNIP Many people already use that phrase, ...
    OK, goddamit.

    From now on I'm a Tommie (ahawk) Liberal. :P
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    Tomahawk wrote:
    SNIP Those of us who are sick of it and want to get back to the old constitution may as well start calling ourselves liberals.
    You know, why not?

    The Federalists stole and mis-used the word, giving cover to their non-federal ideas. (We already had a federation).

    Why not just steal back the word, "liberal."

    Smooth sailing for the most part. Most of them will think we're an ally until its too late. Then, when they whine about it, we can just 'splain it to them.
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    Citizen wrote:
    The Federalists stole and mis-used the word, giving cover to their non-federal ideas. (We already had a federation).
    Yeah, that's another idea that got lost in the fray. The words "federation" and "confederation" mean essentially the same thing. Just as libertarians had to make up a new word for liberal after the socialists stole it, the rebels of the 1860's had to make up a new word for "federal": confederacy, since by then "federal" had come to mean a dominant central government.

    Read the "NewSpeak" appendix of George Orwell's 1984 for a good treatise on the importance of controlling language in order to maintain political power.

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