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    WASHINGTON — Screeners at the nation's airport checkpoints are going to start wearing police-style badges — but real officers aren't too happy about it. Some sworn officers fear airline passengers will mistake screeners for law-enforcement officials with arrest powers.

    The Transportation Security Administration (TSA) is starting to equip its 48,000 screeners with 3-inch-by-2-inch, silver-colored, copper and zinc badges that will be worn on new royal-blue police-style shirts.

    The attire aims to convey an image of authority to passengers, who have harassed, pushed and in a few instances punched screeners. "Some of our officers aren't respected," TSA spokeswoman Ellen Howe said.

    Actual airport police, who carry guns and have arrest powers, worry that their own authority will be undercut by screeners who look like police. Every major airport has its own police department or is patrolled by local police.

    "A lot of cops at airports are not real thrilled about it," said Duane McGray of the Airport Law Enforcement Agencies Network, an airport police association. "It's another way of saying (to airport police), 'You're not important.' "

    Network president Paul Mason, chief of the Lambert-St. Louis International Airport police, worries that passengers will mistake badge-wearing screeners for police and expect them to handle crimes. "There are going to be some growing pains on the part of the (screeners) and police," he said.

    Agencies often give badges to workers who aren't law-enforcement officers. At the TSA, badges are carried by 1,200 inspectors who check that airlines, airports and others comply with security rules. The Environmental Protection Agency gives badges to its 250 workers charged with overseeing cleanups of oil spills and other hazardous releases, EPA spokeswoman Roxanne Smith said.

    Airport screeners will get badges after finishing a two-day training program covering issues related to badges as well as how to talk to passengers in a calming manner. Unlike police, who often are required to carry their badges while off-duty, screeners will be barred from wearing them when they are not working, TSA Deputy Administrator Gale Rossides said.

    "We coupled the badges with the communications training to make it clear to our officers that they're there to facilitate our passengers," Rossides said. She said the TSA has no interest in giving screeners law-enforcement power.

    In April, Baltimore-Washington International Airport screeners became the first to get badges and blue shirts, which replace white shirts adorned with a yellow TSA patch. Screeners at Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport will get them today.

    A.J. Castilla, a screener at Boston's Logan Airport and a spokesman for a screeners union, is eager to get a badge. "It'll go a long way to enhance the respect of this workforce," he said.


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    I met a Texan CWP with a CWP badge this past weekend - and saw no OC.

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    Doug Huffman wrote:
    I met a Texan CWP with a CWP badge this past weekend - and saw no OC.
    What is the point in having a CWP if youre going to be stupid enought to wear a moronic CWP Badge?

    Reminds me of thos Mall Rent-A-Cops who like to use thier sercurity company uniform badge as a clothing acessory.

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    The attire aims to convey an image of authority to passengers, who have harassed, pushed and in a few instances punched screeners. "Some of our officers aren't respected," TSA spokeswoman Ellen Howe said.
    Gee really? Last time i flew, i didn't feel like i was respected. perhaps they screeners just got on the wrong person's nerves

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    maybe that money spent on stupid badges and training on how to wear badges could have been spent on actual training so they could actually find threats

    But that would poke a hole on the facade of safety the government has created with the TSA

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    We couldn't do our jobs without LEO support. TSO's (Transportation Security Officers) are indeed law enforcement. We are 1801 Series Federal Officers (Same as FBI, Border patrol, ICE, and CPB Agents.)

    Fact is, we are Federal Officers without powers of arrest. Thats what cops are for.

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    Welcome to OCDO.

    Let me be the first to convey my utter lack of respect, indeed, disdain for the TSA!

    Either we are equal or we are not. Good people ought to be armed where they will, with wits and guns and the truth. NRA TSA *******

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    They ought to make them work shoeless, with only 3oz bottles of water to drink. Make it equally entertaining for the passengers. TSA thugs should be on those digital strip search monitors for the passengers waiting in line to laugh at. How's that for equal Doug?

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    ""Some of our officers aren't respected," TSA spokeswoman Ellen Howe said."

    Oh waaaahhhh. There are millions of US citizens who have had to pass through TSA who haven't been respected. I think their "aren't respected" is a matter of you reap what you sow.
    Bob Owens @ Bearing Arms (paraphrased): "These people aren't against violence; they're very much in favor of violence. They're against armed resistance."

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    Yep.. People actually forget why the TSA is in place. Remember 9/11? Obviously not. Look upAATSA (Aviation Transportation Security Act)Usually it's ignorant people who have one thing on their mind. Just themselves. People begin to think that we aren't on the same side. If there was NO security, would you still fly? I doubt it.


    The "digital strip search" you speak of isn't so great. Liberal morons complain that its too "intrusive" hence the reason why filters have been added to it. It still does a great job, but trust me.. we dont want to see whats under your clothes unless its a weapon.

    EVERY TSA employee (other than a select few)that has to work on the Sterile Side of a checkpoint has to go through screening just as you do! This includes taking everything off their person, wallet, cellphone, watches, jewlery, keys, and yes folks.. shoes too in many cases. I do it everyday.


    If you don't like thesecurity screening checkpoints, go Greyhound.It's that simple.



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    No, we'll just fly regional airports or fly ourselves. No checkpoint necessary.

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    goldfishcb wrote:
    Yep.. People actually forget why the TSA is in place. Remember 9/11? Obviously not. Look upAATSA (Aviation Transportation Security Act)Usually it's ignorant people who have one thing on their mind. Just themselves. People begin to think that we aren't on the same side. If there was NO security, would you still fly? I doubt it.


    The "digital strip search" you speak of isn't so great. Liberal morons complain that its too "intrusive" hence the reason why filters have been added to it. It still does a great job, but trust me.. we dont want to see whats under your clothes unless its a weapon.

    EVERY TSA employee (other than a select few)that has to work on the Sterile Side of a checkpoint has to go through screening just as you do! This includes taking everything off their person, wallet, cellphone, watches, jewlery, keys, and yes folks.. shoes too in many cases. I do it everyday.


    If you don't like thesecurity screening checkpoints, go Greyhound.It's that simple.

    And that, Ladies and Gentleman, is the problem...

    Airline/Airport employees also don't have to pass through security, unless they are flying, but they are given full access to all parts of the airport including the airplanes...hmmm

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    goldfishcb wrote:
    If there was NO security, would you still fly? I doubt it......
    I would feel much safer knowing that law-abiding citizens (like me) were allowed to carry.

    The law-abiding people will obey all the moronic restrictions forced upon us, but the criminals will always be hunting for ways to prey upon unarmed victims provided to them by the government.

    "...the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

    It doesn't say "shall not be infringed except where the government decides to infringe upon that right."

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    After having worked in an airport for a year and a half, I have zero nice words to say for TSA, and a long list of obscenities.

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    goldfishcb wrote:
    Yep.. People actually forget why the TSA is in place. Remember 9/11? Obviously not. Look upAATSA (Aviation Transportation Security Act)Usually it's ignorant people who have one thing on their mind. Just themselves. People begin to think that we aren't on the same side. If there was NO security, would you still fly? I doubt it.


    The "digital strip search" you speak of isn't so great. Liberal morons complain that its too "intrusive" hence the reason why filters have been added to it. It still does a great job, but trust me.. we dont want to see whats under your clothes unless its a weapon.

    EVERY TSA employee (other than a select few)that has to work on the Sterile Side of a checkpoint has to go through screening just as you do! This includes taking everything off their person, wallet, cellphone, watches, jewlery, keys, and yes folks.. shoes too in many cases. I do it everyday.


    If you don't like thesecurity screening checkpoints, go Greyhound.It's that simple.

    And that, Ladies and Gentleman, is the problem...

    Airline/Airport employees also don't have to pass through security, unless they are flying, but they are given full access to all parts of the airport including the airplanes...hmmm
    The select few are as follows:


    Federal Air Marshalls, FFDO (Federal Flight Deck Officers), Phoenix Police Dept., Federal Officers with orders to fly armed, Military flying while armed, TSA Supervisory Trasportation Security Officers, TSA Lead Trandportation Security Officers, BDO's, and TSA Officials ranking higher than Lead.

    This is because they have to go down the EXIT LANE because they are armed or it's a TSA employee. Which in that case, being our checkpoint we can so as we wish.

    Everyone else at SKY HARBOR MUST be screened before passing through to ANY sterile area in the airport. PERIOD.

    You have no idea what you are talking about.


    Also.. We don't have the time or the man power to make sure the people who want to fly armed are actually law abiding citizens. It's not nessicary. Thats why we allow only people with a REAL PURPOSE to fly armed. It's simple. If you want to fly armed.. become a pilot and take the FFDO class, become an air marshal, or anything that I listed above.. otherwise suck it up and like it.



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    goldfishcb wrote:
    Yep.. People actually forget why the TSA is in place. Remember 9/11? Obviously not. Look upAATSA (Aviation Transportation Security Act)Usually it's ignorant people who have one thing on their mind. Just themselves. People begin to think that we aren't on the same side. If there was NO security, would you still fly? I doubt it.


    The "digital strip search" you speak of isn't so great. Liberal morons complain that its too "intrusive" hence the reason why filters have been added to it. It still does a great job, but trust me.. we dont want to see whats under your clothes unless its a weapon.

    EVERY TSA employee (other than a select few)that has to work on the Sterile Side of a checkpoint has to go through screening just as you do! This includes taking everything off their person, wallet, cellphone, watches, jewlery, keys, and yes folks.. shoes too in many cases. I do it everyday.


    If you don't like thesecurity screening checkpoints, go Greyhound.It's that simple.

    I could argue that mandating that everyone wear helmets 24/7 is a valuable safety tool and "if it saves just one life..." What a bunch of crap.

    You may very well be a decent guy, but there are organizations in America that freedom loving Americans that have actually read (and Love) the Constitution and many who have sworn an oath to defend it against all enemies, foreign AND domestic, cannot stomach. The TSA is very high on that list. They are usurping American freedoms and liberties one at a time. Greyhound? Your organization is trying to control busses too now, I hear.

    "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."
    -Edmond Burke


    Here comes the DHS/TSA, disarming and disabling all the good men in America and allowing only themselves to be the defenders of liberty! A job for which they are completely and wholly unsuited and incapable. Talk about a "Hero Complex" on a governmental scale!

    I sir, will not be lectured about 9-11. I was on base in DC and lost some friends in the Pentagon. I had to organize the lists of the Navy's dead and I can still see their names on the wall. The creation of Homeland Defense and the TSA were knee-jerk reactions to a problem that could have been best solved other ways, but those don't increase the size of government or creats unnecessary jobs now, do they? It's not about safety or security, it's all about $$$$.

    The very creation of these departments are the biggest victory of the terrorists. Every time I step foot in an airport, I AM reminded of 9-11 and the friends I've lost both that dayand in the war, and I realize that we have already lost as a nation. Our lives, our culture, our freedoms HAVE been limited or taken away "in the name of safety". You play into their hands every day you wear that uniform. We may have killed tens of thousands of them, but they have taken freedom and liberty from MILLIONS of Americans and they're laughing at us. They are laughing at you, doing their work for them.

    This is typical SOCIALIST behavior. "You must DISARM like good loyal subjects (and dewater, and de-pocket knife and de-nailclipper, etc...) in the name of safety but ze state vill protect you!!

    Can anyonecite every known assault and/or death, ANYWHERE, not just on a plane, by 1) nailclippers; 2) keychain size pocket knives; 3) liquids 4) anything else prohibted by the TSA. I'd like to see the actual reported numbers. It's just not worth the cost using standard ORM.

    I will not give up one bit of my birthright American freedom in the name of what the TSAcalls "safety" because I do NOT trust you or the TSA with my life or with the lives of my family. If the courts have already determined that even the Police aren't responsible for my personal safety, how in the world is the TSA going to jump in like supermen (dum-da dum!) and do just that with even less actual authority? Remember, can't have authority without responsibility! We love looking up US Codes and laws (it's what we do...).

    Organizations such as the TSA, BATFE, FEMA, etc. are insults to American liberty. This is not the America that I served 20 years to protect and preserve and it is a disgrace to my service and to theloyal service of everyone in uniform that has ever served in the military.

    "Those who fail to learn the lessons of history....are doomed torepeat it's mistakes."
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    Sigh... Typical liberal.

    If you dont like it.. Go greyhound. It's that simple. Guns were never allowed on aircraft, it's not the TSA's idea. Thats mandated by the airlines.

    Sounds to me like you need to be lectured on 9-11.. because you still don't understand why things are in place like the TSA.

    People can be killed with bare hands.. the TSA decided those items could be used as weapons so they banned them.

    12oz of liquid is all thats required to take a plane out of the sky if placed ANYWHERE on the aircraft.. If strategically placed, 4oz of liquid could drop a plane. LOTS OF PEOPLE have died by the hands of a liquid.. TATP... for example.

    Ever heard of Project Bojinka?

    You sir, are poorly uneducated. You need to read the 9/11 commission report and get it together with the threats to this country.

    You can build an IED from things that can be purchased at WALMART for less than $30.

    An IED is made up of 4 parts..

    Power
    Initiator/detonator
    Explosive
    Switch/Timer

    Get it together. I guarentee you if your mother, father, wife, kids or any family member died on an aircraft because the TSA packed up shop you would have wished we were still there. Just because you are inconvenienced, we also keep you safe.



    "Those who fail to learn the lessons of history....are doomed torepeat it's mistakes."
    -George Santayana

    The mistake here are people like you because your liberties are more important then your safety and the safety of the ones around you. Keep pushing crap like that, and eventually terrorists will be living in your house and using it for their living quarters.

    GET REAL, WAKE UP!

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    goldfishcb wrote:
    Sigh... Typical liberal.

    If you dont like it.. Go greyhound. It's that simple. Guns were never allowed on aircraft, it's not the TSA's idea. Thats mandated by the airlines.

    Sounds to me like you need to be lectured on 9-11.. because you still don't understand why things are in place like the TSA.



    Try Very Conservative. - Typical SocialistGovernment Drone.

    You're hysterical! This is the best laugh I've had in weeks, thanks!I don't need to read the propaganda you've been spoon fed for your "employment". I've read things so far above your paygrade it would make your nose bleed.

    Now, what did you come to OCDO for? To argue FOR the TSA or was it to support OC? Also I do hope you're not doing this from work, as that would be misappropriation of government resources. The GAO doesn't like that. Neither do taxpayers.



    But American Citizens are watching your every move as well.


    You are the self-appointed savior of America! All Hail goldfishcb!



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    BobCav wrote:
    goldfishcb wrote:
    Sigh... Typical liberal.

    If you dont like it.. Go greyhound. It's that simple. Guns were never allowed on aircraft, it's not the TSA's idea. Thats mandated by the airlines.

    Sounds to me like you need to be lectured on 9-11.. because you still don't understand why things are in place like the TSA.


    Try Very Conservative. - Typical SocialistGovernment Drone.

    You're hysterical! This is the best laugh I've had in weeks, thanks!I don't need to read the propaganda you've been spoon fed for your "employment". I've read things so far above your paygrade it would make your nose bleed.

    Now, what did you come to OCDO for? To argue FOR the TSA or was it to support OC? Also I do hope you're not doing this from work, as that would be misappropriation of government resources. The GSA doesn't like that. Neither do taxpayers.



    But American taxpayers are watching your every move as well.


    You are the self-appointed savior of America! All Hail goldfishcb!

    haha.. I like the banner.. thats cute.

    The fact is here that if you want to fly on a comercial aircraft you have to bow down to me Thanks for paying my salary, suckers.

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    goldfishcb wrote:
    haha.. I like the banner.. thats cute.

    The fact is here that if you want to fly on a comercial aircraft you have to bow down to me Thanks for paying my salary, suckers.
    Good job reinforcing the "all TSA screeners are stupid, arrogant A$$holes who are thrilled that they have a little power to abuse" stereotype! You are doing your organization proud!

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    goldfishcb wrote:
    otherwise suck it up and like it.

    Now that is a typical gov employee response... I guess they all go through a class to forget where there paycheck comes from... Can you say Taxpayers???

    I may suck it up, but there ain't a soul on this earth gonna make me like it. I'd trust an armed Citizen before an LEO any day, you know, the people I live amongst...

    By the way, profiling works. Ask the military.....

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    goldfishcb wrote:
    Guns were never allowed on aircraft, it's not the TSA's idea. Thats mandated by the airlines.
    Wrong.

    ETA: In Before The ZOT? IBTZ!!

    Either we are equal or we are not. Good people ought to be armed where they will, with wits and guns and the truth. NRA TSA *******

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    goldfishcb wrote:
    Sigh... Typical liberal.

    If you dont like it.. Go greyhound. It's that simple. Guns were never allowed on aircraft, it's not the TSA's idea. Thats mandated by the airlines.

    Sounds to me like you need to be lectured on 9-11.. because you still don't understand why things are in place like the TSA.

    People can be killed with bare hands.. the TSA decided those items could be used as weapons so they banned them.

    12oz of liquid is all thats required to take a plane out of the sky if placed ANYWHERE on the aircraft.. If strategically placed, 4oz of liquid could drop a plane. LOTS OF PEOPLE have died by the hands of a liquid.. TATP... for example.

    Ever heard of Project Bojinka?

    You sir, are poorly uneducated. You need to read the 9/11 commission report and get it together with the threats to this country.

    You can build an IED from things that can be purchased at WALMART for less than $30.

    An IED is made up of 4 parts..

    Power
    Initiator/detonator
    Explosive
    Switch/Timer

    Get it together. I guarentee you if your mother, father, wife, kids or any family member died on an aircraft because the TSA packed up shop you would have wished we were still there. Just because you are inconvenienced, we also keep you safe.



    "Those who fail to learn the lessons of history....are doomed torepeat it's mistakes."
    -George Santayana

    The mistake here are people like you because your liberties are more important then your safety and the safety of the ones around you. Keep pushing crap like that, and eventually terrorists will be living in your house and using it for their living quarters.

    GET REAL, WAKE UP!
    You really believe this stuff?

    Remember it was a government violating our rights/liberties that caused the revolution.

    My liberties are what keep me and mine safe, from those corrupt in government..

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