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    Check out this story, on confiscating millions of dollars, many without proof that it was illegal gainsand without a receipt.

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    They have been for a while, see also

    http://www.isil.org/resources/lit/lo...f-america.html
    http://www.fear.org/

    There was a reform act in 2000, but it didn't stop all the abuse.

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    What the hell ever happened to innocent until proven guilty?

    This is a violation of the 4th Amendment, siezure of property without due process.

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    Well, they never actually charge the person with any crime, because they cannot prove that beyond a shadow of a doubt, so they "arrest" the property and charge it in civil court because the burden of proof is much lower (preponderance of evidence). I think taking the tools of the trade from drug dealers (cars, cash) is OK, but they should be convicted of the crime (criminal court, not civil) first, not just suspected.

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    Decoligny wrote:
    What the hell ever happened to innocent until proven guilty?

    This is a violation of the 4th Amendment, siezure of property without due process.
    Try NOT paying your income tax, and just see what happens, all without due process.

    I first wrote this article a few years ago, but it still applies.
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    lcamino1984 wrote:
    Well, they never actually charge the person with any crime, because they cannot prove that beyond a shadow of a doubt, so they "arrest" the property and charge it in civil court because the burden of proof is much lower (preponderance of evidence). I think taking the tools of the trade from drug dealers (cars, cash) is OK, but they should be convicted of the crime (criminal court, not civil) first, not just suspected.
    Criminal court does not require beyonda shadow of a doubt, only reasonable doubt.

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    Here is another example. One I am personally involved in. http://www.idahostatesman.com/102/story/423602.html

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