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    Thisstory brought a tear to my eye, because Ihavea two year old. My question is howhard did the people thatpulled overtry to stop this guy? I would of killed him in two seconds and not blinked an eye. I hope the cop gets a medal.









    Police: Officer kills man who beat child to death


    TURLOCK, Calif. — Police killed a 27-year-old man as he kicked, punched and stomped a toddler to death despite other people's attempts to stop him on a dark, country road, authorities said.

    Investigators on Sunday were trying to establish the relationship between the suspect and the child they say he killed Saturday night. The Stanislaus County coroner said the boy appeared to be between 1 and 2 years old based on his size, according to county sheriff's deputy Royjindar Singh.



    "It's been a long night of wondering, 'Why?' — not only for the officers and the passers-by who stopped and tried to help out, but for anyone. Why would somebody do this?" Singh said.

    Singh said the coroner does not plan to confirm the identities of the suspect and victim until Monday. Because his injuries were so severe, the child will have to be identified through a blood or DNA test, he said.

    The suspect had a child's car seat in the back of his four-door pickup truck. The truck caught the attention of an elderly couple at 10:13 p.m. Saturday because it was stopped in the two-lane road facing the wrong direction, Singh said.

    As they got closer, the couple saw the man brutally beating the toddler behind his truck and throwing the child on the ground, according to Singh. Two or three other cars stopped, an unusual number to be passing through the remote area surrounded by a dairy, a cow pasture, a cornfield and a farmhouse, he said.

    "What we got from witnesses is he was punching, slapping, kicking, stomping, shaking," Singh said. "They tried to intervene and get involved, but their efforts really didn't have an effect. The suspect was engaged in what he was doing. He just pushed them off and went back to it."

    A sheriff's helicopter responding to emergency calls from the area landed in a cow pasture at 10:19 p.m. carrying a Modesto police officer who shot the man to death after he refused an order to stop beating the child, Singh said.

    Paramedics tried to resuscitate the toddler, who was not breathing when they arrived. The boy was taken to a local hospital, where he was pronounced dead.

    No children within the dead boy's age range have been reported kidnapped or missing in Stanislaus County, Singh said.

    The incident happened on Bradbury Road about 10 miles west of Turlock, a city located about halfway between Sacramento and Fresno.






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    It's California and tough to get CCW permits, if you can get them. Very few citizens are armed in California, so criminals (like this one) literally get away with murder.

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    One armed civilian could have made all the difference.

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    There is a special corner in hell for this guy. I was getting ready to post a link but it's already here. Makes my stomach turn. I'd really like to know how they tried to "intervene" because even without a gun, I would have exhausted every ounce of my power and resources to stop this maniac.

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    "How come these people couldn't stop him??"

    It's not that the couldn't, its that they didn't. They chose not to because they are cowards.

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    Bravo_Sierra wrote:
    "How come these people couldn't stop him??"

    It's not that the couldn't, its that they didn't. They chose not to because they are cowards.
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    Gun or no gun, that man would be dead at my hands if I were there. I'm sure most others here on this forum would do the same.

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    Couldn't say if he'd be dead by my hand, but my hand would be bloody.

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    How come these people couldn't stop him??

    Some probably never learned to stand up for those who could not (not those that will not) defend themselves.

    How hard would it have been to hit the guy hard anywhere (preferably with something, large, heavy, sharp or repeatedly) then choke the $#!+ out of him if need be.

    Can only guess most just didn't want to get involved.
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    Agent19 wrote:
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    Can only guess most just didn't want to get involved.
    With a child involved? It's enough to make you cry.The mangot his reward, but who knows if that little would have grown up to be the man who cured whatever illness will be en vogue in 30+ years? It seems that death was not a sufficient punishment.

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    Apparently so.
    :?:X

    They must/might have felt they had done enough when the contacted the local PD.
    Their civic duty was over in their minds.

    I might not have been able to save the childs life but I would have stopped the abuse immediately.

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    A link to the orignial story would be nice.
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    People are trained to depend on the police. They didn't want to get their hands dirty getting involved.

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    That article is even more telling and gut wrenching. First on-scence was an elderly couple...understandable. But an off-duty fireman plus three others. I hate playing arm-chair quarterback but geez.....

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    Yeah, this story made me throw up in my mouth a little.

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    ...an off-duty fireman...
    But there was no fire! Apparently he didn't think it was his "job."

    I wonder what would've happened if one of us had shot an unarmed man that was beating a child? I wonder if we'd be going home that night or spending the next 25-40 years in a federal facility? Why didn't the cop use a taser or OC on the dude instead of shooting him? /devils advocate


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    Vile situation. I can honestly say that had I been there the ********* would have either been too busy getting a beating from me or beating me to pay attention to the child and I would hope that once he were distracted that someone would have grabbed the child and gotten him somewhere safe.
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    Here in VA, I firmly believe that if "one of us" shot this man under the same circumstances, we'd be getting a metal. But I'm not sure it even needed to go that route....I feel like deepdiver hit the nail on the head.

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    I've been pondering this case for two days and the only thing that I can really come up with is that today's society is worthless.

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    USAF_MetalChris wrote:
    Why didn't the cop use a taser or OC on the dude instead of shooting him? /devils advocate
    I can tell you the reason why. In that situation the child is obviously within seconds of the end of his life, and some people can still function for several minutes after being sprayed with oc. As for tasers,usuallythey work, but not always. That puke needed to be stopped RIGHT NOW, and the only sure way to guarantee that is to shoot him.

    It reminds me of a training film I saw in the Academy. It was actual footage of a guy who was holding a small child, and had waded out into a swamp. He was up to his neck, and was threatening to hold the child underwater/kill him. There were several copsina small boatwho were trying to talk the guy down. After several minutes the guy suddenly held the child underwater, and wasn't letting him up. Needless to say,theytook the head shot and the child was grabbed and saved.

    The urgency of the danger is what justifies the shot in both these cases.
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    Why, I do believe that here in Pennsylvania, a fella'd get his ass beat for something like that. Then he'd get shot.

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    Most people are simply shocked when they come upon a situation such as this. They're unprepared to react and therefore make half hearted attemptsthat do littleto stop the enragedassailant.

    Withinmy truckI carrya breaker bar and a torque wrench. Coming up from behind and cracking the skull is the order of the day in cases such as this.

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    USAF_MetalChris wrote:
    I wonder what would've happened if one of us had shot an unarmed man that was beating a child? I wonder if we'd be going home that night or spending the next 25-40 years in a federal facility?
    I'm half surprised that the headline wasn't "Police Shoot Unarmed Man"

    Anyhow, it's a terrible thing to have happened. I'd like to think that people didn't stop solely because they were disarmed... If I see a man violently beating a child on the side of the road, my first thought would be that he is deranged and a threat to my safety if I stop. Fortunately, even though Pennsylvania keeps me disarmed of a handgun, I would have the option of stopping, grabbing my trunk gun of choice, and stopping the threat at that point. But I could understand how the sh**ple could assume that if he were engaging in this kind of horrendous behavior, he most likely was carrying a weapon as well.

    Or they were just typical sh**ple who were too wrapped up in their cell phone call to bother observing their surroundings.

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    http://www.modbee.com/local/story/331286.html

    TURLOCK -- The toddler who was beaten to death on a dark country road Saturday night was killed by his father, authorities said Monday.The father, Sergio Aguiar, 27, of Turlock was killed with a single shot to the forehead fired by Modesto police officer Jerry Ramar, who was dropped on the scene in rural Stanislaus County from a helicopter as Aguiar kicked and stomped the small boy's head.
    Two days after the attack that has gained national notoriety, neighbors wrestled with hard questions without answers. Was Aguiar on drugs? Mentally ill? Most only seemed to know the man was quiet and worked at FoodMaxx on Fulkerth Road.
    On Saturday night, a different picture emerged.
    Aguiar had parked his gold 2002 Toyota pickup in the eastbound lane, into traffic, and viciously attacked the motionless child as passers-by frantically dialed 911 and tried to stop him. Aguiar seemed calm and spoke of "demons" in the boy. He has no criminal history, authorities said.
    The 2-year-old boy later was pronounced dead at Emanuel Medical Center in Turlock.
    Deputy Rob Latapie, 39, flying a Sheriff's Department helicopter, turned a spotlight on the scene and saw Aguiar kicking the child "like a soccer ball" and immediately made the decision to land in a cow pasture. Ramar, the flight tactical officer, jumped from the helicopter and ran about 20 yards, his duty weapon drawn, before reaching a set of barbed-wire and electric fences. He commanded Aguiar to stop. Aguiar raised his middle finger and kicked the baby again. Ramar fired a single shot, killing Aguiar instantly, police said.
    "I'm proud of my flight officer," Latapie said Monday. "Making a shot like that, under those conditions, in a low-light, high-stress condition, is almost unheard of. There aren't a lot of people who can make a shot like that in daylight at the range."
    Ramar said any officer would have done what he did.
    "I'm just a regular cop trying to do a regular cop's job," he said.
    Birth records show the boy was born May 8, 2006, at Emanuel. His name has not been released, but a manager at the Turlock apartment complex where the mother, Frances Liliana Casian, and son live said he was named after the father: Sergio.
    Neighbors said investigators visited the building late Saturday. The mother and child always have been quiet and kept to themselves, they said. It is unclear whether Aguiar lived in the complex. His name is not on the lease, nor listed as an emergency contact or frequent visitor.
    Two miles away, four cars clustered outside the toddler's grandparents' home off Fulkerth. Sitting on a couch in a dark living room, shades drawn, Casian was surrounded by older women in dark clothing. Eyes heavy, everyone looked as if they'd been crying. Asked if she wanted to talk Monday, the mother was short, clipped, "No. No." Pictures of family and children, including a smiling baby boy, lined the foyer by the front door.
    "What an unspeakable crime," Stanislaus County Sheriff Adam Christianson said. "We may never know why the suspect beat that child to death. We hope to find out, but it's going to take a lot more work."
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    Open carry could have saved this little boy's life. Cops on the phone can't save lives. Guns on the belt can. This, my friends, is why open carry is so important.

    ETA: the article says police believe the boy was dead before he was dragged out of the truck and beaten in front of onlookers. Still, you would think a real effort would be put forth to stop this psycho... just in case the boy was still alive.
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    I've been thinking about the bystanders for a little while, and holding my tongue. Guess I'll sound off and start a debate or get flamed.

    I suspect the toddler was already dead. Unless the first bystander happened to be right there when the truck stopped and he dragged the kid out, the child was likely dead or beyond help from the first or second bash/kick/etc.

    I don't know that I would have intervened, unarmed,if I happened upon it and saw a bloody mess being kicked around. If the guy was as psychotic as they say, he'll probably turn his rage on anyone who tries to intervene. Lets face it, he was trying to destroy the kid, not just kill him, but utterly destroy him. That is lethal force in anybody's book, which just means any bystander would get lethal force unleashed on him.

    Much as I might be angered or outraged by such behavior, I don't think, unarmed, I would be willing to risk adding my name to his list of victims.
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    I'm just not sure telling myself "the boy was probably already dead" would help me sleep any better at night. What if they boy was clinging to life?

    When I was 13 my friend was hit by a car and killed. I wasn't even there when it happened, and could not have caused it or stopped it. Even knowing there was nothing I could have done, for years I obsessed over the possibility I could have prevented the accident somehow. From what I hear this is common.

    I can't imagine how it would feel if it was a situation where I could actually do something. I'm sorry, but maybe just isn't good enough for my conscience. It saddens me to think maybe was good enough for everybody there.
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    I find it sad that we have arrived at this state of affairs where folks are so sheepled that they won't intervene. I don't believe anyone knew if the child was already dead, at the time of the incident, so how to not get involved?

    It is this very attitude of standing around waiting for the police to arrive and "handle it" that has gotten us to this sorry state. Armed or not, are we men or mice? Though I'm old and have many artificial parts, I simply could not stand by and watch something like this! Just couldn't do it !

    If folks don't have any more strength of character than that they should not be carrying! Would most likely be shaking too much to aim correctly and hit some innocent bystander.

    Kudos to the officer who did what was necessary, effectively.

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