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    Here is the Texas effort: http://www.petitiononline.com/texasoc/petition.html

    And it's gotten the issue of restoration of Texas open carry rights into the new big time!

    If I lived in NY this petition would be online by noon today!

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    Given the current state of New York politics, it's going to take a federal court order to injunct against enforcement of PL265 against open carriers. New York's laws are ESPECIALLY vulnerable to a post-Heller incorporation attack.

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    If you were not brain dead, you would live in NY. But you can always try to visit. I suggest carrying your gun openly if you have balls next to your hips. And why not in the Bronx while you're at it instead of safely barbecueing transfats that add to the yellow crap in your head (if I recall from your attempts at TAing at MIT -- didn't last long though).

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    Kalashnikov wrote:
    If you were not brain dead, you would live in NY. But you can always try to visit. I suggest carrying your gun openly if you have balls next to your hips. And why not in the Bronx while you're at it instead of safely barbecueing transfats that add to the yellow crap in your head (if I recall from your attempts at TAing at MIT -- didn't last long though).
    What are you smoking?

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    For New Yorkers to start such a petition, first they need the right to own and carry firearms. As it stands right now, all they have is the privilege of owning firearms, which can be and is limited, refused, restricted, denied, occasionally granted, etc.

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    Good luck... You have Bloomberg, Clintons and Chuck the Schmuck...

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    Statkowski wrote:
    For New Yorkers to start such a petition, first they need the right to own and carry firearms. As it stands right now, all they have is the privilege of owning firearms, which can be and is limited, refused, restricted, denied, occasionally granted, etc.
    All American Citizens are BORN with that Right. Self Defense is one of those inalienable rights the 2A provides recognition of.

    In the Heller case, Justice Scalia wrote, “Nowhere else in the Constitution does a ”right“ attributed to ”the people“ refer to anything other than an individual right. What is more, in all six other provisions of the Constitution that mention ”the people,“ the term unambiguously refers to all members of the political community, not an unspecified subset...(That would be the 'Militia' argument...)
    The Second Amendment extends, prima facie, to all instruments that constitute bearable arms... The very text of the Second Amendment implicitly recognizes the pre-existence of the right and declares only that it ‘shall not be infringed’.”

    Rights are not 'privileges' to be licensed... granted... or 'permitted' What New York (and elsewhere) has done is deny citizens their Contitutional RIGHTS! This is TYRANNY! They've done it for so long it's accepted as Normal. The Sheep have let them get away with it. In that... you get the government you deserve.

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    You could petition all you want, but i dont think you'll see OC in NY anytime soon, thats for sure. Hell, id be willing to sign such a petition, but its not going to go anywhere, i can assure you that.

    I just recently got my NYS pistol license after a long wait, and thats for target restriction. I was strongly advised to apply for target, as it is near impossible to obtain a full carry through Westchester County.

    As another member stated, with Bloomberg, the Clintons, Schumer and all the other liberals living here, theres not a chance of seeing OC in NYS.

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    I live in Westchester, too! I think OC will take a very, very long time.
    Might never happen, except possibly for a hunting exemption for people stalking game deep in the woods.
    I will probably get flamed for advocating an "incrementalist" approach, but I think to fully restore New York carry rights, they have to be won back a bit at a time.

    A good plan would start with removing the ridiculous "character references" required to merely own a handgun. Yup... unlike the 40+ other sane states, if I simply wanted to purchase a handgun at a local store, unbox it and encase it forever in Lucite, I would need four letters of recommendation from non-criminals residing in the same state. Apparently passing an instant background check ain't enough.

    With that won, the next step would be to try to turn the permit to own into a permit to carry concealed, with none of the ludicrous "graduated steps" needed.
    For example, I have to demonstrate a need to carry during business hours.
    Technically, if I don't want to be in violation of the carry rules, I'd need to apply to the authorities to expand to 24/7, but would have to justify that in some way.

    Another area would be to knock down the silly New York City firearm fiefdom. Even after leaping through all of the flaming hoops to get and carry a handgun in the rest of New York State, that permit is magically invalidated if I go anywhere in the City. However, a NYC permit is good for the whole state.

    This could start with NY state asserting itself a bit... perhaps turning the misdemeanor or felony for "illegally carrying" in the City to a $50 violation with no permit revocation.
    Then if things go well, making permits truly statewide.

    Another crazy rule is that you can't handle a handgun unless you are a permit holder... apparently, you really aren't even supposed to handle a handgun that you aren't specifically licensed for.

    I'm not sure why the GOA and NYSRPA (sp?) aren't pushing for any sort of plan like this, or any mitigation of what are some of the most unnecessarily strict gun rules in this country.

    (although nothing I've read about gun laws in the US seems quite as crazy as Massachussett's making the possession of an empty shell casing illegal!)

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    'Incremental exercise of a Right? What part of 'Shall not be infringed' is incomprehensible to NY politicians? Y'all live with SOCIALISM as the norm... What can you expect? Keep electin' such as Shumer's... Clintons... 'n that mega-buck, anti-gun Bloomberg clown runnin' NYC now... 'n you'll never enjoy the freedoms I do.

    I remember a photo-op with Schumer... Him holding up a 7.62x39mm round: "That's the biggest bullet I've ever seen!" Well... I reckon he ain't seen much past a .22 short from a Coney Island shootin' gallery (if there is such a thing these days). To use yer own venacular... Get rid of the SCHMUCKS!

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    Sonora Rebel wrote:
    'Incremental exercise of a Right? What part of 'Shall not be infringed' is incomprehensible to NY politicians? Y'all live with SOCIALISM as the norm... What can you expect? Keep electin' such as Shumer's... Clintons... 'n that mega-buck, anti-gun Bloomberg clown runnin' NYC now... 'n you'll never enjoy the freedoms I do.

    I remember a photo-op with Schumer... Him holding up a 7.62x39mm round: "That's the biggest bullet I've ever seen!" Well... I reckon he ain't seen much past a .22 short from a Coney Island shootin' gallery (if there is such a thing these days). To use yer own venacular... Get rid of the SCHMUCKS!
    Sonora, as usual you have hit the nail on the head! NY politico's are a whole different breed altogether! Speaking of Bloomberg, looks like he may have won the fight so that he can run for another term !

    New Yorks gun laws are quite in-depth to say the least. I have spoke of the application process in other topics, so i wont here. But as overtaxed said, they are lenghty and aimed to discourage applicants.

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    I also live in NYS, but it was easier getting my permit than yours. The rule about in state references is not the state law. I inquired about when requesting paperwork and was told it doesn't matter where the person lives, if they know you then that is what counts. As for handling handguns, I don't believe that is law either, I have never seen that in writing, only a few dealers have it posted so I believe it is just a matter of store policies.

    As for open carry in NY, I don't think we will ever see it. I would fight for our right to keep in a locked car at work, or Castle doctrine issues first. Also being able to carry in NYC where it is needed. It is not a different state but there is so much big city mentality and elitist attitude that it's allowed to happen.

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    the socialist republic of new york will never have open carry or concealed carry

    I left nyc in the nineties and never looked back if you think ny state is bad the rules in nyc are the worst in the country(short of dc) you wait for months for them to process paperwork then you get a voucher to buy the gun that you asked PERMISSION to buy(make and model specific) then you have 24 hour to go to police headquarters to have it inspected. if you want another pistol you have to write another letter stating

    what make and model and why you want it. oh yeah and dont let me forget when you apply the 1st time if you don't say you will keep it in a locked closet or safe

    inside a locked case with a trigger lock or tottaly disabled you will be refused

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    as far as open carry in NY,lets think of it this way. After the slaves were freed it took around 100 years for civil rights to finally be protected for all americans. So we just got a heller ruling. Is it possible that it could take 100 years for NY citizens to finally have firearm freedoms. And that's if the thing we call the United States still around.

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    steve33904 wrote:
    the socialist republic of new york will never have open carry or concealed carry

    I left nyc in the nineties and never looked back if you think ny state is bad the rules in nyc are the worst in the country(short of dc) you wait for months for them to process paperwork then you get a voucher to buy the gun that you asked PERMISSION to buy(make and model specific) then you have 24 hour to go to police headquarters to have it inspected. if you want another pistol you have to write another letter stating

    what make and model and why you want it. oh yeah and dont let me forget when you apply the 1st time if you don't say you will keep it in a locked closet or safe

    inside a locked case with a trigger lock or tottaly disabled you will be refused
    That's actually unlawful and illegal. The premise license is for possession and carry in your homestead.

    Don't tell me "We will never have concealed carry in NYS". Does that mean we should just throw our hands up and give up? Heller just got decided less than 6 months ago. The "We're doomed and we're @#$%^@#$" statements are UNHELPFUL.

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    Lonnie is correct (as are most Washingtonians :P), the negative comments just don't help matters. Everyone can appreciate the challenges we face, and no one will argue that at times our cause can seem hopeless. What we must remember is that positive thinking produces positive results.

    Change will happen (why does that sound eerily familiar). We just have to work together to ensure that the change is for the good of the country.

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    Im glad to see so many people from outside NY bash the heck out of us. As for me im a life long New Yorker, lived and / or worked in NYC my entire life.

    Broke that tie upon retirement and never looked back although I'm still in NYS.

    NYC happens to be a very corrupt city run by two wee lil men. One is named bloomturd the other kelly. Corruption is rampant and these two evil men have ego's bigger than the universe. Money talks and bloomturd has billions and billions. He owns everything and everyone, what he dont own he buys. Newspapers, politicans, union leaders all get bought off.

    Gun control is the baby of the liberal left wing, the commies. They own and run NYC. Their cancer has spread to the outer reaches into the rest of the state.

    People like myself are out numbered and out spent. But if you look at the big picture, the entire country has turned toward the left. The liberal left is beginning to take over all over. There are not many of us left.

    Im not going to surrender, are you???



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    If it can happen in Washington D.C it can happen in New York!...just takes one person like mr Heller to get fed up with the B.S

    A.O.C

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    Here are my thoughts. I currently live in Virginia and am, for the most part, a staunch left wing Democrat. I only disagree on abortion and gun control. As far as the gun control goes, though crime is down in NYC as a whole, illegal gun sales are up because the people who need them for legitimate reasons. I believe that gun control laws should be appropriate in that after a criminal background check and mental health record check there should be a shall issue permit. No state can supercede the second amendment, but they can regulate how it is enacted. If they refuse to issue permits to all but the most powerful(and usually most corrupt) then such a state can be taken to the US Supreme Court by any citizen after the appropriate processes. Real criminals are not going to go the legal route anyway, so it makes no sense to deny the law abiding citizen the right to carry. Human beings are generally corrupt as a whole, but this is clearly a power play to enslave people from a corrupt government.

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    Mokarov_9mm wrote:
    If it can happen in Washington D.C it can happen in New York!...just takes one person like mr Heller to get fed up with the B.S

    A.O.C
    Nice thought but must be realistic. NYS constitution does not recognize the 2nd amendment. Additionally, there are several million pro-gun control voters in NYC who hold sway over the legislature. No matter how upstate votes, the city seems to always come out on top as Albany caters to them. NYS will never see open carry in my humble opinion.

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    I agree with gun control laws, as long as they are reasonable. Like I said though, human beings are corrupt by nature and when one gets at taste of power 9 times out of 10 they will use it to serve their own interests instead of proper interests. The best option for an open carry and concealed carry in the places that have that right de jure but not de facto is for it to be stricken down in a courtroom.

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    it is not negative to understand facts

    gungrabbers in NY and NYC especially have billions of dollars and millions of votes to fight with we simply don't have the money or numbers to win there

    what I suggest is move to a friendlier state an make a stand there this is a legitimate tactic to retreat to a defensible position and fight to win when a bg comes at you with an uzi do you stand in the middle of the road and shoot back with you snubnose revolver or you move to cover to return fire look up the freestaters of new Hampshire they have the right idea move to a low tax friendly state and make a stand to keep it free think about it this is the way to win not stand in NYC and cry. I say give the libs NYC, let them fund their socialist ideas with their own money take your money and run pay your taxes to a state that will use it to help our cause not theirs

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    you have "reasonable" gun laws in NYC enjoy them

    this is my idea of reasonable one gun law

    anyone not convicted of a felony or convicted of being insane should have the right to own and carry concealed or open anyweapon used by any domestic law enforcement organization with no restrictions on location

    registration and licence is just to find you when they want to take them away

    always remember our constitution was written by men who just overthrew what they perceived as and unjust government and they wanted to make sure that no one should have to suffer that fate again think about it do you need to register your mouth before you speak





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    I simply do not see the point of restricting gun ownership to those who aren't mentally ill or have a criminal history. It is a proven fact that legal gun ownership reduces crime and criminals will simply buy a gun on the illegal gun market anyway. Law abiding citizens should not be made into criminals simply because they wish to protect themselves. For the record, I am liberal, so this issue is not one of liberal versus conservative. That is total bs. This is a simple issue of common sense and speaking out against the tyranny of those who would oppress, whether Democrat(yay) or Republican(hiss).

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    Mike wrote:
    Here is the Texas effort: http://www.petitiononline.com/texasoc/petition.html

    And it's gotten the issue of restoration of Texas open carry rights into the new big time!

    If I lived in NY this petition would be online by noon today!
    And I didn't think you had a sense of humor, Mike
    He wore his gun outside his pants for all the honest world to see. Pancho & Lefty

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