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    I have only been here at .org for a couple weeks. I have noticed that when i search abuot LEO encounters, they are spread few and far between. Enough to get a little anxious. I mean, what if that what they want? A bunch of anxious OCing ppl that end up saying the wrong thing or reacting the wrong way while harrassed..err,umm...i meant: questioned.

    Allz Im sayin is: Its only gonna take a handfull more negative encounters till OCing is up for discussion at city hall or whatever.


    ...im done.

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    I guess that depends on your definition of "positive." The only positive encounter I can envision is being ignored, and I don't know that we know how often that happens.

    If a LEO sees me lawfully open carrying with no suspicious behavior, I would expect him to react the same as seeing me lawfully doing anything else. I should not be of any interest to him

    The best that any "interactive" encounter can be is neutral. He shouldn't waste my time, but if he does, as long as he is friendly and respects my rights, I would call that neutral.

    Anything other than a brief "Hi, how ya doin?" is negative in my opinion.

    Even by that definition, there are a number of posts about LEOs seeing an open carrier and smiling/waving, etc without approaching or bothering the person. Those are positive, great to hear, and I certainly hope we continue to hear more of them.

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    scorpioajr wrote:
    I have only been here at .org for a couple weeks. I have noticed that when i search abuot LEO encounters, they are spread few and far between. Enough to get a little anxious. I mean, what if that what they want? A bunch of anxious OCing ppl that end up saying the wrong thing or reacting the wrong way while harrassed..err,umm...i meant: questioned.

    Allz Im sayin is: Its only gonna take a handfull more negative encounters till OCing is up for discussion at city hall or whatever.


    ...im done.
    I have positive encounters with LEO's all the time. Generally those positive encounters are , I walk right by them without anything happening. Remember that people have a much higher incentive to complain about a poor encounter, than post about a positive one. So of the positive encounters that happen, most people will never post about them. When they have one negative, it will always show up here.

    I am not in any way discounting the negative encounters people post here, they obviously do happen. Just want remind people that there is more to life than just what you see posted on the internet.

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    ...Just want remind people that there is more to life than just what you see posted on the internet.....
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    scorpioajr wrote:
    I have only been here at .org for a couple weeks. I have noticed that when i search abuot LEO encounters, they are spread few and far between. Enough to get a little anxious. I mean, what if that what they want? A bunch of anxious OCing ppl that end up saying the wrong thing or reacting the wrong way while harrassed..err,umm...i meant: questioned.

    Allz Im sayin is: Its only gonna take a handfull more negative encounters till OCing is up for discussion at city hall or whatever.


    ...im done.

    Wow, even people on this http://www.opencarry.org site is against me :?.

    Interesting

    Maybe this Forum is NOT for me.



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    Hi! I'm new to a lot of this jargon, and have seen this more than once in only a few minutes of reading..... but what does LEO stand for? <just a little embarrassed because I'm sure it's obvious>

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    Hey! I thought about it a few minutes more and guess it must be Law Enforcement Official. Is this correct?

    <actually, it was seconds! And that's about all we have when/if confronted, right?>

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    scorpioajr wrote:
    I have only been here at .org for a couple weeks. I have noticed that when i search abuot LEO encounters, they are spread few and far between. Enough to get a little anxious. I mean, what if that what they want? A bunch of anxious OCing ppl that end up saying the wrong thing or reacting the wrong way while harrassed..err,umm...i meant: questioned.

    Allz Im sayin is: Its only gonna take a handfull more negative encounters till OCing is up for discussion at city hall or whatever.


    ...im done.
    I've had several positive encounters. As others have said, being ignored by police when I am not breaking any laws and otherwise have no immediate need for their services is positive.

    I've also had a couple of fairly positive experiences involving actual communications with the police. Both have been posted here, but not necessarily under the heading of LEO encounters. Do a search.

    I had very low key and positive encounter with a UHP trooper on the Lt. Gov's protective detail this year at the capital. He engaged in some small talk as the very non-intrusive way to screen me quickly for any concerns related to safety. We were about 30 seconds into a conversation before I realized his real motive and by then he had figured out I was not a threat and was excusing himself to other duties. Never asked for ID, not even an official encounter by any reasonable use of that term.

    Last year at the Sandy City Independence Day celebration I had a fairly positive experience with Sandy PD as they questioned my legal ability to OC a loaded gun pursuant to a permit. Again, I was never disarmed or even officially detained. The duty sergeant and Lt. and I had a nice conversation as we looked over the code book.

    Indeed, it has been YEARS since I had a negative experience with peace officers while OCing and that wasn't even in Utah.

    We do need to properly comport ourselves and there is some line between exercising our rights and actually creating such a stir that laws get changed against us. But at the end of the day, if we don't or can't OC for fear of OC becoming illegal, well, we've already lost the ability to OC.

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    I have had several positive Law Enforcement encounters, and no negative encounters. I work in the customer service industry. When somebody has a negative experience, the make it a point to let everyone know. But when they have a positive experience, they tell nobody. This is probably why I have not had a raise in nearly two years. :?

    I guess we should start posting positive experiences? Maybe someone can draft a sample letter that could be sent to law enforcement agencies after positive encounters? Like a "Thank you for great customer service" letter. In my years of customer service, I have received one of these letters, and it sure made my day.
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    I've had a few non-negative police encounters.

    As they should be, they were non-events. And very, very brief.
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

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    Yep Carry, you got it right, except most usually use officer instead of official.

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    I had very low key and positive encounter with a UHP trooper on the Lt. Gov's protective detail this year at the capital. He engaged in some small talk as the very non-intrusive way to screen me quickly for any concerns related to safety. We were about 30 seconds into a conversation before I realized his real motive and by then he had figured out I was not a threat and was excusing himself to other duties. Never asked for ID, not even an official encounter by any reasonable use of that term.

    Last year at the Sandy City Independence Day celebration I had a fairly positive experience with Sandy PD as they questioned my legal ability to OC a loaded gun pursuant to a permit. Again, I was never disarmed or even officially detained. The duty sergeant and Lt. and I had a nice conversation as we looked over the code book.
    I have seen posts on here very similar to your encounters very much complaining that it was harassment. Some seem to go out of their way to get LEO to notice that they are carrying and when they are noticed complain that the LEO did not ignore them but stared or made a comment and heaven forbid if the LEO says howdy to them. These are the minority but even in those incidents where I have been stopped for a traffic violation or questioned about being at a certain place at night I have never had a LEO do anything but be very professional and courteous while carrying out their duty.

    I really don't know what some people expect and what the claim to expect and what they do are entirely different.

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    Some seem to go out of their way to get LEO to notice that they are carrying and when they are noticed complain that the LEO did not ignore them but stared or made a comment and heaven forbid if the LEO says howdy to them.
    You've made this kind of claim in a couple different threads now. Could you post a link to a message anywhere on this forum where someone says they went "out of their way to get LEO to notice that they are carrying?"


    I have never once seen anyone on here claim that they did this. Granted, I've only been reading the forum for a couple years, and I could have missed something, but what you claim is certainly not anywhere near the norm.

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    Some seem to go out of their way to get LEO to notice that they are carrying and when they are noticed complain that the LEO did not ignore them but stared or made a comment and heaven forbid if the LEO says howdy to them.
    You've made this kind of claim in a couple different threads now. Could you post a link to a message anywhere on this forum where someone says they went "out of their way to get LEO to notice that they are carrying?"


    I have never once seen anyone on here claim that they did this. Granted, I've only been reading the forum for a couple years, and I could have missed something, but what you claim is certainly not anywhere near the norm.
    The next time I run across one I will try to PM it to you.

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    I don't remember the exact posts but I recall one where a poster talked about pulling up to a convienence store with three cops inside. He said that when he went in he made sure to turn in such a way that they could see his gun.

    Another one was where a poster talked about spending 30 minutes walking around in a store asking everone in there about a certain type of wine glass or coffee cup or something with his gun predominately displayed to see if anyone would notice.

    I am not saying that it is the norm but there are many cases where someone has certainly given the impression that it is what they were trying to do whether they were or not.

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    scorpioajr wrote:
    I have only been here at .org for a couple weeks. I have noticed that when i search abuot LEO encounters, they are spread few and far between. Enough to get a little anxious. I mean, what if that what they want? A bunch of anxious OCing ppl that end up saying the wrong thing or reacting the wrong way while harrassed..err,umm...i meant: questioned.

    Allz Im sayin is: Its only gonna take a handfull more negative encounters till OCing is up for discussion at city hall or whatever.


    ...im done.

    Wow, even people on this http://www.opencarry.org site is against me :?.

    Interesting

    Maybe this Forum is NOT for me.



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    I was pulled over one time and the officer asked if I would go out shooting with him so he could try my gun out



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    Hehe, fun stuff, Mirage do you OC when coming from work? Or do they not want weapons even in your personal vehicle?

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    thx997303 wrote:
    Hehe, fun stuff, Mirage do you OC when coming from work? Or do they not want weapons even in your personal vehicle?
    The official policy is no guns at work or even in the parking lot. With the expert team of well trained security personnel we have protecting us I feel completely safe and secure that no illegal activity could ever occur on site, especially something that would require the use of a weapon. (I know, I used to run security) So naturally between the policy and the safety that the security professionals provide I have no need to carry at work or on my way to/from work (the security isSO good they protect me on my drive). So no I do not OC to/from work.

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    UTOC-45-44 wrote:
    Wow, even people on this http://www.opencarry.org site is against me :?.

    Interesting

    Maybe this Forum is NOT for me.
    If you're leaving, can I have your hat?

    Oh, no. You're not going anywhere, sir. You are being detained. No reasonable person in your position would feel free to disregard our inquiries and walk away. :P
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

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    Citizen wrote:
    UTOC-45-44 wrote:
    Wow, even people on this http://www.opencarry.org site is against me :?.

    Interesting

    Maybe this Forum is NOT for me.
    If you're leaving, can I have your hat?

    Oh, no. You're not going anywhere, sir. You are being detained. No reasonable person in your position would feel free to disregard our inquiries and walk away. :P


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    UTOC-45-44 wrote:
    Citizen wrote:
    UTOC-45-44 wrote:
    Wow, even people on this http://www.opencarry.org site is against me :?.

    Interesting

    Maybe this Forum is NOT for me.
    If you're leaving, can I have your hat?

    Oh, no. You're not going anywhere, sir. You are being detained. No reasonable person in your position would feel free to disregard our inquiries and walk away. :P
    ................................................................................................. ................:celebrate

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    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    Citizen wrote:
    UTOC-45-44 wrote:
    Citizen wrote:
    UTOC-45-44 wrote:
    Wow, even people on this http://www.opencarry.org site is against me :?.

    Interesting

    Maybe this Forum is NOT for me.
    If you're leaving, can I have your hat?

    Oh, no. You're not going anywhere, sir. You are being detained. No reasonable person in your position would feel free to disregard our inquiries and walk away. :P
    ................................................................................................. ................:celebrate

    TJ
    "Sir, we have a report that you are acting strangely. Aggression into glee into celebration. One witness said you looked like you were dancing with a banana. We'll need to see some ID."
    ROTFLMAO. C..U R fuuuunny.

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    I have a positive report....

    My brother is a LEO in Northern Utah County (Keeping the town secret). He tells me of a 911 report of a man with a gun. Several other LEO of that town were lights and siren to the location. He just asked the dispatcher if he had actually done anything.

    The guy was just at a small hamburger joint that doesn't even have an indoor dining area ordering his lunch.

    I know--- someone will tell me that the other LEO's over-reacted. But, at least one didn't.

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    I have not yet had any encounter with law enforcement officers and hope I really never do and if I do I hope that they check my permit, see I'm good and let me go on my way. When I wrote my letters to nine different police agencies here in Utah County I first said why I am writing, second I thanked them for everything they do, and then I gave them my point of view the need for training officers within their agencies on firearm law and the right to keep and bear arms by law-biding citizens. I'm not going out there looking for trouble and I apologize if it seems that way in a few posts (example: "It was uneventful OC day.") I mean that really in a good way, I don't SWAT busting into the store I'm at and dropping me to the ground. I don't want that. I just want to go about my business and be able to defend myself. If I have a positive experience I will post it because I want everyone to know the other side as well.

    Nuff said... for now...
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    I talked a little bit about this subject with my LEO brother (real brother) Friday night. He told me something to the effect that because of his own open attitude about guns and gun ownership he just has not studied the laws on this subject. I hope I can encourage him to do so.

    He did mention that some officers are willing to cite for DISPLAY if they see open carry. I tried to suggest that just because the gun is seen in a holster does not meet the requirement needed to support the "angry or threatening" standard.

    I have personally open carried in the Police Dept. that he works for and ate lunch with the boys in the station.... and not a single one of the said anything about my handgun!

    I try to do a ride-along with my brother at least every couple of months and I NEVER go unarmed!

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    I will strive to stand for the rights of ANY person, even those folks with whom I disagree!
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    If the above makes me a RADICAL or EXTREME--- So be it!

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