Patrick
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I am brand new to this forum and OC in general. I never knew you could OC in Michigan. I was in the very first group in Jackson, MIto get a CPL.
If I am interpreting the laws of OC in Michigan correctly, anyone with a CPL can legally OC in any establishment governed by the Michigan Liquor Control Commission. Is that correct? I own a nightclub here in Jackson and I CC in my bar every night. I'm not against guns or people who legally carry them. However, the thought of people carrying guns in my establishment for all the world to see makes me nervous. Nobody has ever tried to walk in while OC'ing except for the cops making their "liquor inspections". If people can legally OC in my place, do I have the right to not allow them inside or make them put it in their car before coming in? Gun rights are very sacred to me and I hate the idea of me restricting someone elses OC rights. However, I can think of several scenarios where OC in a bar could have devastating consequences. (Drunk guy wants to pick a fight with the "wanna be cop" with a gun.) Anyone?
Patrick
The carrying of firearms in public is also restricted by the Michigan Penal Code, 1931 PA 328, MCL 750.1 et seq. Section 234d of the Penal Code identifies certain "gun free zones" similar to those enumerated in section 5o of the Concealed Pistol Licensing Act; within those specified zones, the possession of firearms is strictly prohibited, subject to limited exceptions. Specifically, section 234d(1) of the Penal Code provides that:
(1) Except as provided in subsection (2) aperson shall not possess a firearm on the premises of any of the following:
a) A depository financial institution or a subsidiary or affiliate of a depository financial institution.
(b) A church or other house of religious worship.
(c) A court.
(d) A theatre.
(e) A sports arena.
(f) A day care center.
(g) A hospital.
(h) An establishment licensed under the Michigan liquor control act, Act No. 8 of the Public Acts of the Extra Session of 1933, being sections 436.1 to 436.58 of the Michigan Compiled Laws.
This language is significantly broader than that employed by section 5o of the Concealed Pistol Licensing Act. By its express terms, section 234d(1) of the Penal Code applies to firearms generally, not merely to pistols, and applies to firearms whether concealed or not. Subsection (2) of this provision creates several specific exceptions to this prohibition, two of which are germane to your inquiry. It provides, in pertinent part that:
(2) This section does not apply to any of the following:
* * *
(b) A peace officer.
(c) A person licensed by this state or another state to carry a concealed weapon.
I am brand new to this forum and OC in general. I never knew you could OC in Michigan. I was in the very first group in Jackson, MIto get a CPL.
If I am interpreting the laws of OC in Michigan correctly, anyone with a CPL can legally OC in any establishment governed by the Michigan Liquor Control Commission. Is that correct? I own a nightclub here in Jackson and I CC in my bar every night. I'm not against guns or people who legally carry them. However, the thought of people carrying guns in my establishment for all the world to see makes me nervous. Nobody has ever tried to walk in while OC'ing except for the cops making their "liquor inspections". If people can legally OC in my place, do I have the right to not allow them inside or make them put it in their car before coming in? Gun rights are very sacred to me and I hate the idea of me restricting someone elses OC rights. However, I can think of several scenarios where OC in a bar could have devastating consequences. (Drunk guy wants to pick a fight with the "wanna be cop" with a gun.) Anyone?
Patrick
The carrying of firearms in public is also restricted by the Michigan Penal Code, 1931 PA 328, MCL 750.1 et seq. Section 234d of the Penal Code identifies certain "gun free zones" similar to those enumerated in section 5o of the Concealed Pistol Licensing Act; within those specified zones, the possession of firearms is strictly prohibited, subject to limited exceptions. Specifically, section 234d(1) of the Penal Code provides that:
(1) Except as provided in subsection (2) aperson shall not possess a firearm on the premises of any of the following:
a) A depository financial institution or a subsidiary or affiliate of a depository financial institution.
(b) A church or other house of religious worship.
(c) A court.
(d) A theatre.
(e) A sports arena.
(f) A day care center.
(g) A hospital.
(h) An establishment licensed under the Michigan liquor control act, Act No. 8 of the Public Acts of the Extra Session of 1933, being sections 436.1 to 436.58 of the Michigan Compiled Laws.
This language is significantly broader than that employed by section 5o of the Concealed Pistol Licensing Act. By its express terms, section 234d(1) of the Penal Code applies to firearms generally, not merely to pistols, and applies to firearms whether concealed or not. Subsection (2) of this provision creates several specific exceptions to this prohibition, two of which are germane to your inquiry. It provides, in pertinent part that:
(2) This section does not apply to any of the following:
* * *
(b) A peace officer.
(c) A person licensed by this state or another state to carry a concealed weapon.