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    The Virginia Citizens Defense League reports three Fairfax County, VA police officers are involved in a false arrest of a North Carolina man.
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    We haven't had any issues with the Fairfax County police in quite a while now. I have found them to be one of the best run police agencies in Virginia, stated Philip Van Cleave.

    However, three officers tarnished that image last week when they unlawfully arrested a North Carolina resident who was legally carrying a handgun and had a North Carolina CHP.

    Hold on tight - this is a weird story.

    The gun owner was pulled over for running through a red light, a charge which the gun owner disputes.

    The gun owner, believing that he had to disclose he was lawfully armed as they do in North Carolina, dutifully told the officer he had a NC CHP and was indeed armed.

    The officer seemed to ignore the statement, but very shortly two more patrol units pulled up. The next thing the gun owner knew he is in a "felony stop" mode. He was asked to walk backwards towards the officers, who then disarmed and handcuffed him.

    While trying to unloaded his gun, THEY DROPPED IT ONTO THE ROAD!

    The two officers and a SERGEANT then proceeded to tell him that he was under arrested for:

    1. Having hollow point bullets, which they claimed were illegal in Virginia (!)
    2. Taking a loaded gun across the state line, which the gun owner was told was a FELONY (!)
    3. Having a concealed gun that the police said he couldn't have since he was from North Carolina (!!)

    His car and gun were impounded and he was taken off to a magistrate.

    The magistrate looked at the charges and told the police officers that they had just made a false arrest.

    The officers pointed out the possession of hollow point bullets. The magistrate asked, "are they teflon coated?"

    "No," replied on of the officers.

    "Then they are legal."

    Trying to find something that would stick and justify the false arrest, one of the officers said, "We couldn't verify that his North Carolina permit is valid."

    The magistrate looked at the permit, noticed the phone number on the back where one can call to verify the permit, called the number, and within a few minutes found out the permit was indeed valid.

    The gun owner was ordered to be released.

    After being released from custody, the gun owner was given a hard time by another officer about getting his gun back, but he did finally get it back.

    If all of that isn't bad enough, the arresting officer went ahead and gave the gun owner a ticket for the alleged offense of running a red light!

    In essence, with that brilliant move, the officer was practically BEGGING the gun owner to PLEASE sue Fairfax Count for the false arrest!

    I have already talked to my high-level contact with the Fairfax County PD about this entire situation and the gun owner has filed a formal complaint.

    In the past, Fairfax County PD has been very good when such internal investigations are required. Now we will wait and see what happens.

    What is clear is that Fairfax County PD needs to educate its officers on:

    1. Possession of hollow point bullets
    2. Reciprocity laws
    3. Lawful carriage of firearms across state lines
    4. Safe gun handling (a few years ago unsafe gun handling by an officer cause a gun to discharge, killing an unarmed, handcuffed man)





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    http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum54/12340.html

    a thread was alreadyopened and closed on this,I assume another willbe opened to keep us updated.

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    Let's use this one. We need some updated info on each of these key issues:
    1) The players involved. Names, ranks, experience (in years and locations).
    2) The facts of the encounter at the car (stop light run witnessed by mult officers?, FOIA accounts of the conversation, radio chatter, when/how/who disarmed the CCer, rights read, etc)
    3) Content of the "charges" (felony transfer across state lines, hallow points, concealed w/out VA permit, not being a good sheep, etc, etc)
    4) Booking
    5) Interaction w/ the magistrate.

    Some of these particulars are probably BS, but need to vet them. The back-and-forth of the last thread kept these from coming to light.

    Anybody got anything?

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    ufcfanvt wrote:
    Let's use this one. We need some updated info on each of these key issues:
    1) The players involved. Names, ranks, experience (in years and locations).
    2) The facts of the encounter at the car (stop light run witnessed by mult officers?, FOIA accounts of the conversation, radio chatter, when/how/who disarmed the CCer, rights read, etc)
    3) Content of the "charges" (felony transfer across state lines, hallow points, concealed w/out VA permit, not being a good sheep, etc, etc)
    4) Booking
    5) Interaction w/ the magistrate.

    Some of these particulars are probably BS, but need to vet them. The back-and-forth of the last thread kept these from coming to light.

    Anybody got anything?

    best i can do to answer you right nowis this post from VCDL President:

    Some on this list were concerned that perhaps I hadn't checked my facts before putting out the alert. The information came directly from the NC resident (who I didn't ask if he minded me putting his name out and so I haven't yet).

    The arresting officer was J.A. Connors. Incident happen at Richmond Hwy and Lockheed Blvd.

    I got a call today from Lt. Connor (no relation to arresting officer). He said he will be handling the investigation. He also said that my statement of facts was extremely close to his understanding of them currently.


    I'm sure if we keep thispost just about updates and facts that thisthread will stay open and relevant.


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    Here's what I've gleaned so far, from the rats' nest of a previous thread.

    1) I've heard the name of one of the younger officers. Arresting officer was J.A. Connors of Fairfax Co. PD. Initial encounter happend at Route 1 (Jefferson Davis Hwy) and Lockheed Blvd. We NEED the SERGEANT's name.
    2) Traffic stop for running a light. Summons was eventually handed out at Magistrate's office
    NC CCer notified was armed. said no initial reaction by officer. Backup was called (HOW MANY?).
    Several allegations were made. No details of the conversation.
    Arrest was made and defendant was taken in front of Magistrate with several charges on the table.
    3) Charges brought: NOTHING concrete beyond what Phillip heard from a 3rd source, though Officer Connor of Internal Affairs at FCPD confirmed "most" of it. Here's what Phillip listed:
    -- Having hollow point bullets, which they claimed were illegal in Virginia (!)
    -- Taking a loaded gun across the state line, which the gun owner was told was a FELONY (!)
    -- Having a concealed gun that the police said he couldn't have since he was from North Carolina (!!)
    4) Booking - Nothing so far.
    5) Interaction w/ the magistrate. This is where the hammer comes down. Magistrate inform the arrest was a false arrest. What's the name of the Magistrate?

    Let's fill in these gaps...

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    ufcfanvt wrote:
    Here's what I've gleaned so far, from the rats' nest of a previous thread.

    1) I've heard the name of one of the younger officers. Arresting officer was J.A. Connors of Fairfax Co. PD. Initial encounter happend at Route 1 (Jefferson Davis Hwy) and Lockheed Blvd. We NEED the SERGEANT's name.
    2) Traffic stop for running a light. Summons was eventually handed out at Magistrate's office
    NC CCer notified was armed. said no initial reaction by officer. Backup was called (HOW MANY?).
    Several allegations were made. No details of the conversation.
    Arrest was made and defendant was taken in front of Magistrate with several charges on the table.
    3) Charges brought: NOTHING concrete beyond what Phillip heard from a 3rd source, though Officer Connor of Internal Affairs at FCPD confirmed "most" of it. Here's what Phillip listed:
    -- Having hollow point bullets, which they claimed were illegal in Virginia (!)
    -- Taking a loaded gun across the state line, which the gun owner was told was a FELONY (!)
    -- Having a concealed gun that the police said he couldn't have since he was from North Carolina (!!)
    4) Booking - Nothing so far.
    5) Interaction w/ the magistrate. This is where the hammer comes down. Magistrate inform the arrest was a false arrest. What's the name of the Magistrate?

    Let's fill in these gaps...
    I spoke with the Magistrates office yesterday. Apparently it hasn't made the gossip circuit because none of the duty Magistrates were aware of it. He was going to ask around and I'll check back with him on Monday.

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    ufcfanvt wrote:
    Here's what I've gleaned so far, from the rats' nest of a previous thread.

    1) I've heard the name of one of the younger officers. Arresting officer was J.A. Connors of Fairfax Co. PD. Initial encounter happend at Route 1 (Jefferson Davis Hwy) and Lockheed Blvd. We NEED the SERGEANT's name.
    2) Traffic stop for running a light. Summons was eventually handed out at Magistrate's office
    NC CCer notified was armed. said no initial reaction by officer. Backup was called (HOW MANY?).
    Several allegations were made. No details of the conversation.
    Arrest was made and defendant was taken in front of Magistrate with several charges on the table.
    3) Charges brought: NOTHING concrete beyond what Phillip heard from a 3rd source, though Officer Connor of Internal Affairs at FCPD confirmed "most" of it. incorrect. Phillip had two sources for charges. 1.)NC resident 2.)Officer Connor for confirmation. Two independent sources one the victim the other IA makes a pretty concrete amount of info. The IA officer would not confirm misinformation.
    Here's what Phillip listed:
    -- Having hollow point bullets, which they claimed were illegal in Virginia (!)
    -- Taking a loaded gun across the state line, which the gun owner was told was a FELONY (!)
    -- Having a concealed gun that the police said he couldn't have since he was from North Carolina (!!)
    4) Booking - Nothing so far.
    5) Interaction w/ the magistrate. This is where the hammer comes down. Magistrate inform the arrest was a false arrest. What's the name of the Magistrate?

    Let's fill in these gaps...
    4.) there would be no booking as the Magistrate refused to charge on the BS and the NC resident was released on a summons for the Traffic stop.



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    Sheriff wrote:
    When a person is arrested in Virginia and taken before the magistrate, the warrants are written, printed and assigned a docket number by computer now, and immediately entered into the state system at the same time it is written. But if the magistrate refused to write any criminal arrest warrants, no such entries in the state system will exist of course. It is possible the magistrates in Fairaxkeep a personal log of every hearing theyhold though, whether warrants are issued or not. The individual magistrates in Charlottesville and Albemarle County used to keep pretty accurate personal records. It shouldn't be too hard to locate the magistrate on duty that released the subject with no criminal charges being placed. Whether he/she will discuss the incident is anybody's guess.

    The traffic summons would be entered onto the state system after the officer or police department turns the uniform traffic citation into the General District Court clerk's office in Fairfax. It will be very hard tolocate this on the state system without the defendant's last name. If you have the officer's name (Conners) you can go through the entire Fairfax docket and hope to come across a red light citation with the defendant's address being in North Carolina.

    The Virginia courts system is not an easy system to search online.
    According to the Clerk in Fairfax, it takes 2 weeks to hit their computers. Since I don't know the exact date, I can't pinpoint the Magistrate yet.

    It has hit the gossip circle in the PD and I know the fellows name now but haven't contacted him for permission to use it. Until this becomes public information, it's going to be slow.

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    vcdl update:

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    2. Update on North Carolina permit holder who was falsely arrested in
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    Since I first reported on three Fairfax County police officers falsely
    arresting a North Carolina concealed handgun permit holder last week,
    I have been contacted by Lt. O'Connor with the Fairfax County Police.

    Lt. O'Connor is going to be handling the investigation into the
    incident, which happened on June 21st at the intersection of Richmond
    Hwy and Lockheed Blvd.

    Lt. O'Connor was polite and professional. He basically confirmed that
    the statement of facts I had made about what happened was pretty much
    what he had heard. He said the investigation might change that
    understanding though.

    He expected the investigation to last about two weeks.

    Once the investigation is complete and we see what actions Fairfax
    County is going to take to prevent further abuses of law-abiding gun
    owners, VCDL will decide what to do and react accordingly.

    I'll update everyone as soon as something new happens in this case.


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    67GT390FB wrote:
    vcdl update:

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    2. Update on North Carolina permit holder who was falsely arrested in
    Fairfax County
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    Since I first reported on three Fairfax County police officers falsely
    arresting a North Carolina concealed handgun permit holder last week,
    I have been contacted by Lt. O'Connor with the Fairfax County Police.

    Lt. O'Connor is going to be handling the investigation into the
    incident, which happened on June 21st at the intersection of Richmond
    Hwy and Lockheed Blvd.

    Lt. O'Connor was polite and professional. He basically confirmed that
    the statement of facts I had made about what happened was pretty much
    what he had heard. He said the investigation might change that
    understanding though.

    He expected the investigation to last about two weeks.

    Once the investigation is complete and we see what actions Fairfax
    County is going to take to prevent further abuses of law-abiding gun
    owners, VCDL will decide what to do and react accordingly.

    I'll update everyone as soon as something new happens in this case.
    The officers in question need to represent a tiny uptick in the unemployment rate.
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    Sheriff wrote:
    Deanimator wrote:
    The officers in question need to represent a tiny uptick in the unemployment rate.
    Costs too much to hire and train a new officer.

    Combined with the fact that the replacement might be worse than the current cop.
    Easily solved. Just sue for twice what it costs to hire and train a new officer.
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

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    Citizen wrote:
    Sheriff wrote:
    Deanimator wrote:
    The officers in question need to represent a tiny uptick in the unemployment rate.
    Costs too much to hire and train a new officer.

    Combined with the fact that the replacement might be worse than the current cop.
    Easily solved. Just sue for twice what it costs to hire and train a new officer.
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    Citizen wrote:
    Sheriff wrote:
    Deanimator wrote:
    The officers in question need to represent a tiny uptick in the unemployment rate.
    Costs too much to hire and train a new officer.

    Combined with the fact that the replacement might be worse than the current cop.
    Easily solved. Just sue for twice what it costs to hire and train a new officer.
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    Citizen wrote:
    Sheriff wrote:
    Deanimator wrote:
    The officers in question need to represent a tiny uptick in the unemployment rate.
    Costs too much to hire and train a new officer.

    Combined with the fact that the replacement might be worse than the current cop.
    Easily solved. Just sue for twice what it costs to hire and train a new officer.
    The jurisdiction will just steal more money from the taxpayers to make up the difference.
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    Sheriff wrote:
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    The officers in question need to represent a tiny uptick in the unemployment rate.
    Costs too much to hire and train a new officer.

    Combined with the fact that the replacement might be worse than the current cop.


    I direct your attention to the example of the Chicago PD. The city routinely pays out in settlements and judgements for police misconduct, amounts that look like the operating budget of a lot of suburbs and towns. Yet, the conduct of the Chicago PD hasn't moderated in ANY way in years. In fact, it's getting worse. Daley just keeps raising taxes (highest sales taxes in the NATION) to pay for that and his other pratfalls.

    If on the other hand, officers who misbehave face the loss of their livelihood through firing, or impoverishment through being sued as individuals, there's a deterrence factor. If a bad cop knows he's not going to be fired, why should he care how much the city spends to settle a lawsuit? In a lot of places, he won't even pay the raised taxes, since he can live outside the jurisdiction.

    There have to be consequences to the INDIVIDUAL who misbehaves, otherwise there's no reason for him to stop.
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    Sheriff wrote:
    Guys and girls, I didn't intend to introduce any logic into this subject. I was simply explaining the warped reasoning why departments very seldom cut any heads off. My local departments have enough trouble finding and hiring competent applicants, they don't want to terminate thosethey think already have.
    They can't be fired for a gross act of false arrest? That seems odd. I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm just saying it's odd.

    In a lot of instances, failure to terminate bad cops is a CHOICE, not something forced on the department.

    They might think that they are either saving money, or keeping manpower up, or whatever inane "reasoning" that falls under, but the end results are 100% bad:

    1. Lack of respect for the police. A big portion of the populace of Chicago would step over a Chicago cop rather than even dial 911, nevermind actually risk themselves to help them.

    2. Lowering of standards and morale. When bad cops are seen to get away with repeated bad acts, other cops wonder why they should uphold their oaths. A culture of corruption and criminality spreads throughout the force.

    3. Resources are misallocated. City/county budgets aren't infinite. Even with insurance, deductables go up with repeated claims. That's money NOT spent in any productive way.

    Like you said, it's not your reasoning, but it has a cost, and partially to you. Thy let somebody repeatedly get away with blatant misbehavior and then whine when they're hit with $12.5million wrongful death suits. And every big award screams "pattern of behavior" to juries who just keep upping the judgements.
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    Sheriff wrote:
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    They can't be fired for a gross act of false arrest? That seems odd. I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm just saying it's odd.
    I have never seen a cop fired for a false arrest. In one particular false arrest that I am familiar with, a rookiecop wasn't even fired after he went to the magistrate's office 4 hours after the false arrest and lied under oath to the magistrate in order to obtain the false arrest warrants. The 4 hour delay was because the cop realized he had screwed up big time and actually made a false arrest. When he could find no other legitimate crime to charge the person with, there was nothing left to do but lie on the original false arrest charge. After the lawsuits were filed and the truth was revealed, he wasn't even fired then.

    Although, had the lawsuits actually gone to court, rather than an out of court settlement, I think the public would have demanded this cop's head served up on a silver platter for his perjury. If you understand where I am going with this, this is why so many out of court settlements take place. The police chief didn't want this lawsuit being heard before a jury with the media sitting on the front row taking notes for the next day's newspaper story.

    Just so this tale doesn't leave a bad taste in everybody's mouths, the sergeant on duty was my brother-in-law. He was later terminated after 20+ years on the job. He knew it was a false arrest as it was taking place and did nothing to intervene and make things right as his rookie was jumping off this cliff without a parachute.
    These things are why I'm absolutely immoveable on two points:

    1. I don't believe in settlements in these sorts of cases unless the terms are SO humiliating that they're as good as a judgement. I don't want to hear crap about the city or department "not admitting liability". No sweat, since a judgement takes care of that nicely. Half the murderers in this country don't admit liability either. I'll have a piece of paper CERTIFYING that the guilty parties are in fact the guilty parties.

    2. I will NEVER, EVER sign ANY settlement with a non-disclosure clause in it. NEVER. Anybody who thinks they're going to violate my 4th or 5th Amendment rights, then give them written PERMISSION to violate my 1st Amendment rights is smoking catfood. We'll go to trial or have a gunfight for all I care. I'll DIE before I sign such a contract of adhesion. GUARANTEED.

    And in examples of gross officer misconduct, I'll find a way to sue the individual if at all humanly possible. The guilty party shouldn't expect to just tiptoe offstage whistling nervously.
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    Deanimator wrote:
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    They can't be fired for a gross act of false arrest? That seems odd. I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm just saying it's odd.
    I have never seen a cop fired for a false arrest. In one particular false arrest that I am familiar with, a rookiecop wasn't even fired after he went to the magistrate's office 4 hours after the false arrest and lied under oath to the magistrate in order to obtain the false arrest warrants. The 4 hour delay was because the cop realized he had screwed up big time and actually made a false arrest. When he could find no other legitimate crime to charge the person with, there was nothing left to do but lie on the original false arrest charge. After the lawsuits were filed and the truth was revealed, he wasn't even fired then.

    Although, had the lawsuits actually gone to court, rather than an out of court settlement, I think the public would have demanded this cop's head served up on a silver platter for his perjury. If you understand where I am going with this, this is why so many out of court settlements take place. The police chief didn't want this lawsuit being heard before a jury with the media sitting on the front row taking notes for the next day's newspaper story.

    Just so this tale doesn't leave a bad taste in everybody's mouths, the sergeant on duty was my brother-in-law. He was later terminated after 20+ years on the job. He knew it was a false arrest as it was taking place and did nothing to intervene and make things right as his rookie was jumping off this cliff without a parachute.

    These things are why I'm absolutely immoveable on two points:

    1. I don't believe in settlements in these sorts of cases unless the terms are SO humiliating that they're as good as a judgement. I don't want to hear crap about the city or department "not admitting liability". No sweat, since a judgement takes care of that nicely. Half the murderers in this country don't admit liability either. I'll have a piece of paper CERTIFYING that the guilty parties are in fact the guilty parties.

    2. I will NEVER, EVER sign ANY settlement with a non-disclosure clause in it. NEVER. Anybody who thinks they're going to violate my 4th or 5th Amendment rights, then give them written PERMISSION to violate my 1st Amendment rights is smoking catfood. We'll go to trial or have a gunfight for all I care. I'll DIE before I sign such a contract of adhesion. GUARANTEED.

    And in examples of gross officer misconduct, I'll find a way to sue the individual if at all humanly possible. The guilty party shouldn't expect to just tiptoe offstage whistling nervously.
    Fairfax, aint going to fire them....
    Heck a SWAT cop Shot and KILLED an unarmed MAN with his handson the stearing wheel.2 years ago in Chantilly! Wasn't he a Pediatrist. That was gross negligence at its worst. Cop had finger on trigger hit trigger Dr. Dead. I don't think they fired him I think hes still on the job. If that had been you or me we would be rotting in jail!

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    Heck a SWAT cop Shot and KILLED an unarmed MAN with his handson the stearing wheel.2 years ago in Chantilly! Wasn't he a Pediatrist. That was gross negligence at its worst. Cop had finger on trigger hit trigger Dr. Dead. I don't think they fired him I think hes still on the job. If that had been you or me we would be rotting in jail!
    If anybody ever does that to a relative of mine, they'll wish they'd done it to me instead. At that point it's the law of the vendetta, no quarter asked, none given. I'll do EVERYTHING humanly possible within the law to destroy the perpetrator. They'd find out that you really CAN "hound someone to their grave".

    A Chicago cop did that back in 2002 or 2003. He owes some part of a $12.5million judgement for the survivors. If it were me, god help him if he's a second late on a payment. I'd attach the refrigerator carton he's living in. You can't get a pound of flesh... but you can come close.
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    I will NEVER, EVER sign ANY settlement with a non-disclosure clause in it. NEVER. Anybody who thinks they're going to violate my 4th or 5th Amendment rights, then give them written PERMISSION to violate my 1st Amendment rights is smoking catfood.
    I've often said the same thing myself.

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    I direct your attention to the example of the Chicago PD. The city routinely pays out in settlements and judgements for police misconduct, amounts that look like the operating budget of a lot of suburbs and towns. Yet, the conduct of the Chicago PD hasn't moderated in ANY way in years. In fact, it's getting worse. Daley just keeps raising taxes (highest sales taxes in the NATION) to pay for that and his other pratfalls.

    If on the other hand, officers who misbehave face the loss of their livelihood through firing, or impoverishment through being sued as individuals, there's a deterrence factor. If a bad cop knows he's not going to be fired, why should he care how much the city spends to settle a lawsuit? In a lot of places, he won't even pay the raised taxes, since he can live outside the jurisdiction.

    There have to be consequences to the INDIVIDUAL who misbehaves, otherwise there's no reason for him to stop.
    I grew up in Illinois and the Chicago PD has a reputation lower than owl crap in Illinois and Indiana. When I got my drivers' license in the 1970s my father told me that if I ever find myself drviving in Chicago I need to take two things: a paper clip and a $20 bill. I would attach the $20 bill to the back of my drivers' license so in case I got pulled over in Chicago the officer would give me my license back. If I didn't have the $20 bill on there, I'd never see my license again. It would be "lost".

    My mother got a ticket from the Chicago PD in the mail for improper lane usage. The funny thing is the day of the alleged offense, Mom and her car were in Montana!!!! The local police in my home town took care of the ticket. Cops in Chicago get promoted based on the number of tickets they write.

    While I'm talking about the Chicago PD, they are the BEST gun dealer in Illinois. If you know the right cop, follow him after work on a Friday or Saturday night.... and you'll find a treasure trove of artillery. :shock:

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    While I'm talking about the Chicago PD, they are the BEST gun dealer in Illinois. If you know the right cop, follow him after work on a Friday or Saturday night.... and you'll find a treasure trove of artillery. :shock:
    I've read that Medzianowski, the one who ran the drug ring, used to hand out duffle bags full of ammunition to gang members he dealt with.
    --- Gun control: The theory that 110lb. women have the "right" to fistfight with 210lb. rapists.

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    Deanimator wrote:
    Carnage_59 wrote:
    While I'm talking about the Chicago PD, they are the BEST gun dealer in Illinois. If you know the right cop, follow him after work on a Friday or Saturday night.... and you'll find a treasure trove of artillery. :shock:
    I've read that Medzianowski, the one who ran the drug ring, used to hand out duffle bags full of ammunition to gang members he dealt with.
    Aboutfour months afterMayor Daley of Chicago sued the suburban gun dealers outside of Chicago for allegedly running guns into Chicago, the FBI busted six Chicago cops and two ATF agents for running about 80% of the gun black market in the city.

    Most of those guns were guns that were previously seized in busts. (No, not these kinds of busts (o)(o) or these (*)(*) or those either (^)(^) but maybe these (.)(.))The rest were stolen guns.

    Illinois is a very restrictive state on guns. Not only are handguns registered, so are gun owners. One must have a Firearm Owners' ID card to possess a gun in Illinois. That's why I won't live in that pit anymore.

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    While I'm talking about the Chicago PD, they are the BEST gun dealer in Illinois. If you know the right cop, follow him after work on a Friday or Saturday night.... and you'll find a treasure trove of artillery. :shock:
    I've read that Medzianowski, the one who ran the drug ring, used to hand out duffle bags full of ammunition to gang members he dealt with.
    Aboutfour months afterMayor Daley of Chicago sued the suburban gun dealers outside of Chicago for allegedly running guns into Chicago, the FBI busted six Chicago cops and two ATF agents for running about 80% of the gun black market in the city.

    Most of those guns were guns that were previously seized in busts. (No, not these kinds of busts (o)(o) or these (*)(*) or those either (^)(^) but maybe these (.)(.))The rest were stolen guns.

    Illinois is a very restrictive state on guns. Not only are handguns registered, so are gun owners. One must have a Firearm Owners' ID card to possess a gun in Illinois. That's why I won't live in that pit anymore.
    Do you have a link to the bust involving the BATFE? I hadn't heard of it and I collect such information. I was aware of a situation involving no-bid contracts by BATF(E) in Chicago for fleet vehicle repiars and a mob connected repair shop that was recommended by Chicago cops who were detailed to work with BATF(E).

    I'm from Chicago, so I'm well aware of the laws there. I'm also aware of the double standards regarding enforcement and prosecutions, especially "Gun Court". Friends of Daley don't even get that far. John Kass in the Chicago Tribune recently wrote of a Daley flunky who was caught with a concealed, unregistered handgun WITH THE SERIAL NUMBERS DEFACED. A phone call was made downtown and he was released... WITH THE GUN.
    --- Gun control: The theory that 110lb. women have the "right" to fistfight with 210lb. rapists.

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    I too would like to see the citizens of Chicago liberate themselves, guns blazing, deposing the despots, etc, etc, etc.

    Now what about all that stuff that happened to the guy from NC who had just about all of his civil right violated in Fairfax Co. the other day?

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