Ted McDonough wrote:Ours is the only state in the nation to allow guns in schools
Not true, there are other states that allow carry at schools. Our public school are not allowed to forbid firearms carried by permit holders.
Our drivers license is a "de facto national permit", just like every other state. Why can't law abiding citizens be afforded this same privilege with self defense?“Other states are looking at Utah,” says Clark Aposhian, a longtime gun-rights lobbyist who has helped get the Utah concealed weapons permit increasingly recognized as “a de facto national permit.”
Jon Huntsman is a tool, vote for SUPERDELL! $35 for a permit, huh? I feel ripped off since I paid $65.25 like everyone else. That does not include the cost of the training.With encouragement from Gov. Jon Huntsman Jr., state lawmakers this summer are examining Utah’s practice of issuing $35 concealed-carry permits to any law-abiding U.S. citizen who wants one.
He doesn't get it? Maybe he needs to move to Chicago. Those damn out-of-staters, look at all the trouble our permits are causing in other states.Sen. Scott McCoy, D-Salt Lake City, is among those who doesn’t get it. He has opened a bill file to introduce 2009 legislation limiting out-of-state use of Utah concealed-weapon permits.
We recognize any permit, from any state. Shouldn't we issue them to anyone in any state? Nothing wrong with having a good name for defense of freedom. By the way, your Utah drivers license is valid in Montana, you don't need theirs.No one has been able to answer my question: What is the benefit to Utah citizens of issuing Utah concealed weapons permits to out-of-state residents?” asks McCoy. “I can’t apply for a Montana driver license.
California doesn’t yet recognize Utah’s permit, but Californians with a Utah permit can use it in many other states. To McCoy, that is scary.
FBI background checks, fingerprinting, and lawful self defense is scary? Well, better not issue anymore permit. Everyone will just need to open carry. That's not scary Mr. McCoy, or is it? :P
He worries about Utah’s responsibility for the safety of other states’ residents.
Here is where Mr. McCoy gets it right. We are worried for the safety of others state's residents. That's why we issue them a permit to conceal a weapon. So they can ensure their own safety. The police have no duty to keep them safe.
Those pesky criminals again, always applying for an a permit to hide their guns. People that apply for concealed firearm permits, are some of the most law abiding citizens around. Do you think criminals apply for mandatory training on firearm laws before they stuff their gun in their pants?Utah concealed-weapon-permit holders are checked daily to see if they have committed crimes that would result in losing a permit. But out-of-state applicants are only checked when they renew a permit every five years.
More than 300 percent, huh? 75 permits were revoked in 1999, and 256 permits were revoked in 2000. This brings the percentage increase to 241.333 %, not 300.In 2000, when Utah began daily checks for Utah permit holders, the numbers of revoked permits jumped more than 300 percent.
Since we are talking about drastic percentage change, how about going from 256 revocations in 2000, to just 18 revocations in 2005. That is a decrease of 92.9688%
(See, I can make numbers look good too, Mr. McDonough.)
Which, in my opinion should be 49 other states. Just because law abiding citizens can't be permitted to conceal a firearm in their home state, means that we should be equally restrictive to them when they visit our state? Horse ****, Mr. Governor.Huntsman wants the concealed-carry law changed so that Utah’s permit is available only to residents of other states that have formal reciprocity agreements with Utah, says Lisa Roskelley, the governor’s spokeswoman.
After a prolonged battle with the University of Utah led to Utah passing the nation’s first law expressly allowing guns in schools, the National Rifle Association this year led a lobbying effort to get other states to follow suit.
Odd, we have guns in our schools, yet there have been no school massacres in Utah.
Since 1966, the U.S. has seen at least 48 notable school shootings in at least 27 states, totaling 181 deaths. None of them in Utah. Maybe it is time to mandate guns into school in other states. By the way, 7 of the 48 shootings were in California. I thought guns were heavily controlled in Kalifornia?Bills were introduced in 15 states; none passed.
Statistical source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_shooting
Amen, Mr. Aposhian.Aposhian isn’t worried that the gun-rights tide is turning, at least not in Utah. “Historically, they agree with personal rights and Second Amendment-based principles here in Utah,” he says. “I have faith in my Legislature.”