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    I wanted a way to point people to a single, easy-to-remember URL for information about California Open Carry. So, I created a website:

    CaliforniaOpenCarry.org

    It’s purpose is just to serve as a web portal, meaning a single centralized access point, to information specific to Open Carry in California.

    It will primarily just include links to useful sites and documents, like this site, and the documents we’ve created here.

    It is a work-in-progress. Please visit it and offer your opinions and suggestions.

    Thanks!



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    I've heard that the page does not work with Internet Explorer 7. I've tried adding a fix but can't test it yet. If anyone uses IE 7, could you let me know if the page loads correctly? The flag should be in the background with the content on top of it.



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    I don't use IE, but I have it installed...

    Yep loads fine for me.
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    I've finished my California Open Carry Preamble Card. It's a business card sized document. The front is something that I intend to hand out to interested parties. The back is a reminder to peace officers of the limits of 12031(e) andof our rights not to be searched or questioned.

    front: http://www.californiaopencarry.org/C...ryPreamble.pdf

    back: http://www.californiaopencarry.org/C...RightsCard.pdf

    Opinions welcome...



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    You may want to edit the back...

    Furthermore, citizens are not required to answer any police questions, no matter what the reason, no matter what the circumstances.
    This is not true. While I agree it is unconstitutional to force someone to speak, the courts have decided that they can force you to identify yourself. IIRC you have to give your full name and residence address. Failure to comply is PC to detain/arrest you until you can be identified. IIRC, this only applies when they are investigating a crime or suspicious activity. Since 12031(e) creates an assumption of guilt of violation of 12031, I believe this would qualify as an investigation of the latter sort.
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    Other than that; looks awesome. I wouldn't mind carrying some of these. The open carry flyer is great, but if I'm away from my car I usually don't have one on me. This would be easy enough to keep in my wallet.
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    I think it would be great for opencarry.org to sell these cards in their store as well... Get different designs and whatnot... great cards and one thing that is needed here in Fresno is to educate our p.d. on our rights because they are usually draw weapon then ask questions. Very authoritarian here in Fresno which needs to be changed.

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    MudCamper wrote:
    I've finished my California Open Carry Preamble Card. It's a business card sized document. The front is something that I intend to hand out to interested parties. The back is a reminder to peace officers of the limits of 12031(e) andof our rights not to be searched or questioned.

    front: http://www.californiaopencarry.org/C...ryPreamble.pdf

    back: http://www.californiaopencarry.org/C...RightsCard.pdf

    Opinions welcome...


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    CA_Libertarian wrote:
    You may want to edit the back...

    Furthermore, citizens are not required to answer any police questions, no matter what the reason, no matter what the circumstances.
    This is not true. While I agree it is unconstitutional to force someone to speak, the courts have decided that they can force you to identify yourself.
    OK. I made the necessary change:

    "Furthermore, other than identifying themselves, citizens are not required to answer any police questions, no matter what the reason, no matter what the circumstances."

    As always, I found good info on this here: http://www.flexyourrights.org/freque...d_questions#07




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    I've now got 2 versions of my business card sizedOC infocard. Both use the same front:

    http://www.californiaopencarry.org/C...ryPreamble.pdf

    But the back sides are different. The first is what I'll hand the police - the "rights" card:

    http://www.californiaopencarry.org/C...RightsCard.pdf

    the other is what I'll hand interested citizens - the "diplomacy" card:

    http://www.californiaopencarry.org/C...rryWhyCard.pdf

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    Cool stuff.

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    Updated the diplomacy (why OC) side of the card again:

    http://www.californiaopencarry.org/C...rryWhyCard.pdf

    And updated the rights card to have a Gadsden flag background:

    http://www.californiaopencarry.org/C...RightsCard.pdf



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    BTT for noobs and old hands and visiting LEOs .

    Californiaopencarry.orgis the place to start with understanding the penal code and case laws.

    Hat tip to Mudcamper for creating and maintaining that site and creating the below artwork (with due credit to the esteemed Founding Father Ben Franklin)!!



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    bbt for one stop shopping

    a poor man'swest coast sticky



    and more "tell it like it is" artwork by oleg volk!!!!

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    OK I'm confused now. When I created my CA OC card, I added the "showing ID" language to the back per CA_Lib's suggestion. However, in recent post the consensus is that one is not required to ID themselves to police in California. I've even been forum-tarred-and-feathered for suggesting we do so.

    So, I'm thinking I should remove the "show ID" language from the back of the card... Any opinions?

    ETA: This side: http://www.californiaopencarry.org/C...RightsCard.pdf

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    MudCamper wrote:
    OK I'm confused now. When I created my CA OC card, I added the "showing ID" language to the back per CA_Lib's suggestion. However, in recent post the consensus is that one is not required to ID themselves to police in California. I've even been forum-tarred-and-feathered for suggesting we do so.

    So, I'm thinking I should remove the "show ID" language from the back of the card... Any opinions?

    ETA: This side: http://www.californiaopencarry.org/C...RightsCard.pdf
    I was wrong. At the time I made that suggestion, I was not aware that CA's 'stop-and-identify' statute had been repealed. My apologies for the misinformation.

    So yes, you could remove it, or even replace it with something saying you don't have to present ID unless you're stopped for a CVC (CA Vehicle Code) violation or are suspected of a crime. (If you're suspected of a crime, you can be detained for a period of time until you are identified.)
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    OK. I've updated my cards.


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