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    I am sure for those of us who have been accosted by people for open carrying you may hear a version of that line. While I was one of the People at the Champps incident a few years back, I have also heard someone make a smart remark about my gun while carrying in a restaurant.

    So, when somebody says why do you need that gun? Just reply, "Oh, it's not a need, it's a Right!" Or if they remark about the size of your gun just say "The Supreme Court Loves my gun and open carrying, thank you for noticing."

    "The ancient Poets, in their elegant manner of Expression have made a kind of Being of Necessity, and tell us that the Gods themselves are obliged to Yield to her." -George Mason

    Today the gods yielded to us and fulfilled our necessity in Virginia law to protect our rights in the Virginia Courts through declaratory and injunctive relief which was not previously possible.

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    Virginiaplanter wrote:
    I am sure for those of us who have been accosted by people for open carrying you may hear a version of that line. While I was one of the People at the Champps incident a few years back, I have also heard someone make a smart remark about my gun while carrying in a restaurant.

    So, when somebody says why do you need that gun? Just reply, "Oh, it's not a need, it's a Right!" Or if they remark about the size of your gun just say "The Supreme Court Loves my gun and open carrying, thank you for noticing."

    "The ancient Poets, in their elegant manner of Expression have made a kind of Being of Necessity, and tell us that the Gods themselves are obliged to Yield to her." -George Mason

    Today the gods yielded to us and fulfilled our necessity in Virginia law to protect our rights in the Virginia Courts through declaratory and injunctive relief which was not previously possible.

    The Right of the People


    I read the link and am confused.

    Does the ruling remove legal risk while carryng on the toll road, or does it merely pave the way to seek legal relief?

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    It only paves the way to seek a redress of grievances that the government is violating your constitutional right and cannot be blocked by sovereign immunity. Yesterday's ruling by the U.S. Supreme court was the final element needed to file suits for violations of the Virginia Constitution under Article I, Section 13. This is so because under the doctrine of co-extensive protections which the Virginia court follows, the right under the Virginia constitution had been the same as under the Federal government, and seen as a collective right under 4th Circuit case law. A person cannot bring suit to enforce their individual rights when the court does not recognize the individual right to even exist. Now that has all changed and suits for violations of the Virginia Constitution may go forward because Article I, Sect. 13, is a self-executing provision that prohibits the government from passing laws, regulations or ordinances that violate the right of the people (individuals) to keep and bear arms.

    As a side note, yesterday's ruling will probably also have an impact on the upcoming AG's opinion on Open Carry in State Parks. The opinion yesterday not only stated an individual right but it cited several state cases that open carry is the right protected by the constitution.

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    Thank you for the explanation.

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    Perhaps the patented reply should be ....

    Why dont YOU have a gun?


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    ProShooter wrote:
    Perhaps the patented reply should be ....

    Why dont YOU have a gun?

    Either that, or "Because I couldn't find a cop small enough to fit onto my belt", or "Because I couldn't find a holsterbig enough tofit a cop into."

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    Years ago, I stole this response from packing.org:

    "Why do I carry a gun? Well, I tried carrying a cop...but he was heavy, and it annoyed him..."

    ...when asked if it is loaded...

    "Well, of course it is loaded. Wouldn't make a very effective throwing weapon, now would it?"





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    I've said many times "Because I can't carry a cop."

    Most recently, when asked why I carry a gun, I replied that the average 911 response time was over 7 minutes. I asked the questioner if she felt comfortable with that.

    I got her thinking. She wasn't negative in the first place, but I could tell this response hit home.
    Laws alone can not secure freedom of expression; in order that every man present his views without penalty there must be spirit of tolerance in the entire population. -Albert Einstein

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    Even if you could carry a cop, who would want to? You'd have to keep him fed and watered, and stop for bathroom breaks, what a hassle.

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    If I don't have much time I just say "It's for my job". If they specifically ask if I am law enforcement, I say no of course. My job is to protect my life and family.

    Sometimes Brooke answers.. She point to my firearm and says "one thousand dollars" then points to herself and says "priceless" (thats my favorite one).

    She laughs outloud when people ask if I have a permit for it and they ask why shes laughing and in her best "yer a dumba$$ tone" she say's "you don't need a permit to carry a gun!"




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    I just reply with:
    "The person most responsible for my safety is me, and I take all of my responsiblities seriously. "

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    ed wrote:
    Sometimes Brooke answers.. She point to my firearm and says "one tousand dollars" then points to herself and says "priceless" (thats my favorite one).

    She laughs outloud when people ask if I have a permit for it and they ask why shes laughing and in her best "yer a dumba$$ tone" she say's "you don't need a permit to carry a gun!"
    Haha, those two answers are great. Good answer for the 'do you have a permit' type questions is 'Yes, the second amendment.'

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    ed wrote:
    If I don't have much time I just say "It's for my job". If they specifically ask if I am law enforcement, I say no of course. My job is to protect my life and family.

    Sometimes Brooke answers.. She point to my firearm and says "one tousand dollars" then points to herself and says "priceless" (thats my favorite one).

    She laughs outloud when people ask if I have a permit for it and they ask why shes laughing and in her best "yer a dumba$$ tone" she say's "you don't need a permit to carry a gun!"



    It sounds as though you've taught Brooke well.

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    Tomahawk wrote:
    Even if you could carry a cop, who would want to? You'd have to keep him fed and watered, and stop for bathroom breaks, what a hassle.
    :celebrate

    Now that IS funny!


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    Tomahawk wrote:
    Even if you could carry a cop, who would want to? You'd have to keep him fed and watered, and stop for bathroom breaks, what a hassle.
    And the price of doughnuts has really gone up lately.

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    Tomahawk wrote:
    Even if you could carry a cop, who would want to? You'd have to keep him fed and watered, and stop for bathroom breaks, what a hassle.
    Plus... you would also have to house him everynight, the extra costs of water and electricity,and the greatest cost would be the amount of Red Bull you would have to make him drink to stay alert 24 hours a day!!! :celebrate

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    On a more serious note: it is theoretically possible to "carry a cop". You can do it through technology, with lots of surveilance and so forth.

    It's called a "police state" and it's very popular among gun-banners and nanny-staters. Great Britain is doing their level best to make it work right now. Thye may eventaully succeed, and become like Japan, where weapons are banned and there is no street crime, enforced by yakuza thugs, or more likely, by intense fear of a state apparatus which respects no rights and presumes no innocence.

    That's what it would really mean to "carry a cop", and I don't want any part of it. No Patriot Act, no wiretaps, no Homeland Security, no gun bans, no surveilance, and no disabling of rights, none of it. I'll take liberty and along with my friends and family we'll take care of our own personal protection, thank you very much.

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    Because carrying rocks is too hard.

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    This seems like a pretty good place to show this off:

    http://bkocik.net/2008/06/24/monsters-are-real/

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    Glock27Bill wrote
    I read the link and am confused.

    Does the ruling remove legal risk while carryng on the toll road, or does it merely pave the way to seek legal relief?
    This is something new to me - what's the legal risk in carrying on the toll road (I assume we're talking about 267/Dulles Greenway)? I haven't heard of this yet - probably because I haven't been paying attention.

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    bill_wv wrote:
    This seems like a pretty good place to show this off:

    http://bkocik.net/2008/06/24/monsters-are-real/
    Good piece, Bill. Thanks.

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    bill_wv wrote:
    This seems like a pretty good place to show this off:

    http://bkocik.net/2008/06/24/monsters-are-real/
    That was a great article!

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    Thank you, gentlemen. In reading it over again, it comes off quite a bit more stand-offish than I would like, but when I wrote it I was sort of reeling from some of the animosity and ignorance (and I choose that word carefully, meaning to refer to people who are not stupid, but just misinformed) I'd recently received from people I've known for a while. It was very off-putting, and I think the tone of the piece reflects that. In a sense I was firing back at some of the attitude that had been coming my way.

    Still, I stand by everything I said. But in the future I'd like to write another one that has a cooler, more even tone to it.

    (Edited to fix a typo)

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    ProShooter wrote:
    Perhaps the patented reply should be ....

    Why dont YOU have a gun?
    "Because calling 911 is just having one delivered to my location."
    Why open carry? Because 1911 > 911.

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    AbNo wrote:
    ProShooter wrote:
    Perhaps the patented reply should be ....

    Why dont YOU have a gun?
    "Because calling 911 is just having one delivered to my location."
    LOL

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