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    Had a nice time this morning at the gunshow... Had one of my sons with me. I got to meet TriggerDR and take a pamphlet, which I later used to explain to a couple of guys, looking at stuff at a different table, about OC being legal. They didn't know that :shock:I gave them my pamphlet and told them to go over and see TriggerDr at his table and that I was sure he'd be more than happy to talk to them.

    It wasso cool, when I first steppedup to TriggerDr's table, he was right in the middle of explaining OC and the laws to a patron

    I also got to meet Krazichinaman who sold me a SERPA holster for my Kimber. ( Thanks Krazi, great deals at the gunshow on those SERPA's ).

    Nice day at the gunshow. Although I'm glad I got out of there early... You know, before it got real hot... I know it's air conditioned but...

    Anyway,talk to you later.


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    Spyder,
    I also had a great time! The gun show rocked...I just wish I had more $ to spend. All I ended up picking up was 200 rds of 9mm. The prices on that were comparable to larry's anyways. Good show though.

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    Dang guys, we are going to have to start wearing OpenCarry.Org t-shirts. I would have liked to meet more of you! As it was, I got to meet TriggerDr. I was looking at the full color pamphlet on his table, and it sure looks a lot better than the black and whites I've been printing out. Very professional. I picked up a 1000 rounds of .40 for my XDM for practice. Better prices than up north.

    I stopped at a Home Depot on the way home, and nobody made any comments, even though I'm sure they saw it in my Serpa. I walked right in front of the Customer Service desk with my strong side towards them. Maybe because I had a full cart they didn't want to lose any business. :P

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    civil_lib wrote:
    Dang guys, we are going to have to start wearing OpenCarry.Org t-shirts.
    I agree we need a definite style and color or carry around some old school bicycle flags on fiberglass whips (did I just date myself?). If anyone noticed I was the guy in red pushing the hulk of a man around in a wheelchair.

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    I must have talked to 14 -15 people who said they have been lurking on the site, but have not posted yet. Civ-lib, Spyder, M1 Gnr, thanks for stopping by and the kind words. I hope to see you at the Kitsap meet on the 13th of July.

    I spoke with Randy Loun and he said he would be there if at all possible but he had a bunch of honey doos ( yeah he is married) that might keep him away. I told him this is attorney client relations and he needs to be there even if for only a 1/2 hour or so. He agrees. This man CAN and Will be of a help to us.

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    +1 on the T-shirt Idea. That place gets so crowded, we were probably all passing each other up and didn't know it. I took off at around 11:00.

    Couple of guys I work with who I've been talking to about this forum said they'd probably be heading to the show sometime this weekend. I told them to look out for the "Open Carry Is Legal" sign.

    Have a great Sunday guys.

    TriggerDr... so just how hot and stinky did it get in there yesterday afternoon? Good luck with that today brother. Way to stick it out...
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    Temperature stayed pretty consistent all day long. I had a real good day as far as sales went. passed out a bunch of pamphlets and met several prospective members for OCDO.

    Sold '86 winchester 45/90 take down, s x s .410 shotgun, Colt 32-20 double action with an extra barrel, several loaded rounds and a set of dies, 45-70 Marlin Cowboy gun, 3 boxes 45 colt ammo.

    Bought 45/70 Remington Rolling block Creedmore rifle, went home with $ in my pocket. :celebrate:celebrate:celebrate

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    Trigger Dr wrote:
    I spoke with Randy Loun and he said he would be there if at all possible but he had a bunch of honey doos ( yeah he is married) that might keep him away. I told him this is attorney client relations and he needs to be there even if for only a 1/2 hour or so. He agrees. This man CAN and Will be of a help to us.
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    It was nice meeting you Spyder. Make sure to keep the pamphlet I gave you this time =p. I met trigger Dr a few shows back and hes an awesome guy! I just wish I had the time to walk around the show...but I was busy playing with all the sharp things :celebrate.

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    Today was a little different...Sold 30 m1 carbine with extras, Ruger Super Redhawk454, Bought Ruger 44/96 44 mag, 03A3 Springfield inprimo condition,

    Met several more possible members, and Preston was there again. Good to see you my friend.

    went home with more $ in pocket :celebrate:celebrate:celebrate

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    Not to offend anyone. I went to a WAC show for my first time a few months back at the Evergreen Sate Fair Grounds and was very disappointed that I was not able to bring in a firearm in for possible trade/sale and could not carry; state CPL license meant squat! I though it weird a gun show not allowing guns unless you paid them yearly dues. Never encountered a gun show like that before. Are there any other show’s touring the area that are gun friendly?

    They even said no cell phones allowed that have camera, who the hell even makes one now days with-out a camera? I wasn’t touring a top secret government facility!
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    jbone wrote:
    Not to offend anyone. I went to a WAC show for my first time a few months back at the Evergreen Sate Fair Grounds and was very disappointed that I was not able to bring in a firearm in for possible trade/sale and could not carry; state CPL license meant squat! I though it weird a gun show not allowing guns unless you paid them yearly dues. Never encountered a gun show like that before. Are there any other show’s touring the area that are gun friendly?

    They even said no cell phones allowed that have camera, who the hell even makes one now days with-out a camera? I wasn’t touring a top secret government facility!
    NO!!!!!!!!!!

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    Bear 45/70 wrote:
    jbone wrote:
    Not to offend anyone. I went to a WAC show for my first time a few months back at the Evergreen Sate Fair Grounds and was very disappointed that I was not able to bring in a firearm in for possible trade/sale and could not carry; state CPL license meant squat! I though it weird a gun show not allowing guns unless you paid them yearly dues. Never encountered a gun show like that before. Are there any other show’s touring the area that are gun friendly?

    They even said no cell phones allowed that have camera, who the hell even makes one now days with-out a camera? I wasn’t touring a top secret government facility!
    NO!!!!!!!!!!
    NO!!!!! there are no other shows, or NO!!!! no guns unless i fork over the cash for dues?
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    All shows in this state disarm you, in violation of all theyclaim to support, your 2A rights. Therefore, I no longer attend gun shows or have memberships in organizations putting gun shows on.

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    Bear 45/70 wrote:
    All shows in this state disarm you, in violation of all theyclaim to support, your 2A rights. Therefore, I no longer attend gun shows or have memberships in organizations putting gun shows on.
    I won't be attending any more of thier shows as well. I hate the way people these days put up the false fronts, violateyou and then ask for money.

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    How about the show below, any good?

    Aug 23-24 Mt Vernon, [size=Skagit County Fairgrounds ][/size]Falconshows@aol.com or 360-856-6052


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    jbone wrote:
    Bear 45/70 wrote:
    All shows in this state disarm you, in violation of all theyclaim to support, your 2A rights. Therefore, I no longer attend gun shows or have memberships in organizations putting gun shows on.
    I won't be attending any more of thier shows as well. I hate the way people these days put up the false fronts, violateyou and then ask for money.

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    How about the show below, any good?

    Aug 23-24 Mt Vernon, [size=Skagit County Fairgrounds ]Falconshows@aol.com or 360-856-6052


    Falcon also requires unloaded and tied guns. However you don't have to be a member to carry the tied gun in and/or buy and sell guns. Better, but if their thinking was correct there would be more shootings at gun shows, gun ranges and gun stores than anywhere else. Of course this is a total falsehood that continues to be sold in support of the anti gunners.

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    Bear 45/70 wrote:
    jbone wrote:
    Bear 45/70 wrote:
    All shows in this state disarm you, in violation of all theyclaim to support, your 2A rights. Therefore, I no longer attend gun shows or have memberships in organizations putting gun shows on.
    I won't be attending any more of thier shows as well. I hate the way people these days put up the false fronts, violateyou and then ask for money.

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    How about the show below, any good?

    Aug 23-24 Mt Vernon, [size=Skagit County Fairgrounds ]Falconshows@aol.com or 360-856-6052


    Falcon also requires unloaded and tied guns. However you don't have to be a member to carry the tied gun in and/or buy and sell guns. Better, but if their thinking was correct there would be more shootings at gun shows, gun ranges and gun stores than anywhere else. Of course this is a total falsehood that continues to be sold in support of the anti gunners.
    I want to attend shows to find the right Holster for my M&P9c,if these places make me zip tie how does one expect to spend money and buy one of the vendor's products. I'm sure every table has my weapon on display for holster fitting!!

    Are the vendor's allowed to break the tie for fitting than retie?

    Crazy world we live in today!


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    The ties that are used will not keep you from fitting a holster. They are very thin and flimsy. When I racked the slide on my 1911 the tie broke.

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    M1Gunr wrote:
    The ties that are used will not keep you from fitting a holster. They are very thin and flimsy. When I racked the slide on my 1911 the tie broke.
    I'll give it a whirl and see how it goes. Thanks.
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    Not to offend anyone. *I went to a WAC show for my first time a few months back at the Evergreen Sate Fair Grounds and was very disappointed that I was not able to bring in a firearm in for possible trade/sale and could not carry; state CPL license meant squat! I though it weird a gun show not allowing guns unless you paid them yearly dues.* Never encountered a gun show like that before.* Are there any other show’s touring the area that are gun friendly?

    They even said no cell phones allowed that have camera, who the hell even makes one now days with-out a camera? I wasn’t touring a top secret government facility!
    WAC has rules. It's a members show, which means non-members cannot bring in firearms, and they don't allow cameras inside because anti-gunners can take photos, too and use the images to campaign against gun shows, which is high on their agenda.

    Non-members cannot trade/sell firearms. period. You want to trade/sell, join the WAC.




    All shows in this state disarm you, in violation of all they claim to support, your 2A rights. Therefore, I no longer attend gun shows or have memberships in organizations putting gun shows on.
    You are not disarmed if you are a member, but no loaded guns are allowed inside as part of the contract with the fairgrounds management, and certainly as a safety issue.

    Don't boor me with "well I ain't gonna have an accident" because that doesn't wash. Couple of years back a guy in Georgia whipped out his piece to "fit it to a holster" and in the process the gun discharged and this guy's kid took one in the chest and died on the spot.

    There have been at least two NDs at Puyallup gun shows of which I am personally aware.

    I get really tired of gun people who insist "that'll never happen to me!" who then exhibit some of the worst gun safety skills on the planet, bad enough to qualify them for the DEA VIDEO STAR OF THE YEAR award.

    Anybody who believes that "rules don't apply to me" on someone else's turf, or even on their own turf, is foolish.

    WAC has thousands of pro gun fanatics in its membership, but they understand the rules and agree to live with them.

    I have had "I'm safe with my gun" arrogant twerps sweep me with the muzzles of their guns.

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    Ok, you made me stop lurking. The WAC is the most Pro-Gun lobby that I am aware of that is local to Washington State. It is cheap to join, and allows them to attempt to protect themselves from those that would shut down gun shows all together. Same with the ties, they do not need issues, and believe it or not, I've attended two shows, not WAC, that had accidental discharges. In non-member shows people will bring in, loaded, what they don't know anything about, like something they inherited.

    I'm very fussy about any gun shop that would not allow carrying, but a shop is not quite the same as a show, which is more of a free for all festival. WAC does not mind if you carry at all, just unload it and strap to deactivate it, if only so when the guy says "what ya got there?" you don't have an issue with the impromptu business or friendly talk.

    And yes, you should not be walking into a gun store with a loaded weapon you intend to try in holsters, or trade or whatever. I do carry loaded if I'm not going to remove it.

    Finally, I would really like to applaud every one here for open carry. I have not OC in Washington, but did so for 11 years in Arizona, and CC here in Washington for the last 25 years. Damn, dated myself.

    And thanks to DaveCav for telling me about this site, absolutely fantatistic info, and it is great to be amongst fellow patriots.



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    Falcon Show is very small. One building at the Skagit County Fairgrounds. I go to it alot because I live nearby. The drive will be 3 times longer than what it takes to see the show.

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    Rainman wrote:
    ...I've attended two shows, not WAC, that had accidental discharges.

    WAC does not mind if you carry at all, just unload it and strap to deactivate it, if only so when the guy says "what ya got there?" you don't have an issue with the impromptu business or friendly talk.
    There was a great video of an OC group in Virginia. The reporter was surprised that when someone asked, “Whatcha got there?” not one person un-holstered, they simply turned to face the speaker and showed their firearm.

    Every argument I’ve heard for the WAC policy is the same argument Chicago and D.C. use to disarm their citizens:
    It’s safer if everyone is disarmed except police/security
    Nobody needs a gun here
    Stupid people doing stupid things could get someone hurt

    If someone un-holsters their loaded firearm away from a clearing barrel they should be promptly reported and expelled from the show. Washington has laws regarding actions that ‘warrant alarm for the safety of others’, an accidental discharge should result in an arrest. The responsible people should not have to disarm due to the idiocy of others. And seriously, if the WAC members cannot safely handle a loaded firearm, what the hell are they doing selling them to each other?

    The WAC show demands you unload, yet Sportsman’s Warehouse and Cabela’s does not. That speaks volumes.

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    I have one and sometimes two tables at the WAC show for most of the shows. I also work at Sportsman's Warehouse gun counter.

    To compare the two is not even close. In any given week at Sportsman's, I will see 8-10 guns come into the store. These are usually for scope mounting or holster fitting. The occasional CC will open their coat and ask if it is OK to try the holster, and they are informed as to procedure. Exit store, unload, check gun at customer service and come back.

    At the WAC, I will see 40-50 people pass my table in a matter of 5-10 minutes. Some are carrying long guns some with hand guns. The sheer volume alone increases the risk factor.

    It is relatively easy to keep track of a customer or two with several sales people on the floor, but try to keep track of 5-600 when you are trying to monitor your table, conduct a sale, pass out OC pamphlets and just plain BS with anyone who will listen.

    I don't like the tied and empty rule any more than you, but I do recognize the inherent danger of not having this rule.


    As far as camera cell phones, In the past the anti's have sent in underage people who appearto be of legal age to own hand guns. They make a purchase and it is documented on film. It is now normal practice to not only check the WAC id, but a picture ID as well.

    This last show I had a man with his young son wanting to buy my m1 30 carbine. he stated he had left his member ID at home. I told him to go to the membership counter and they would give him a replacement. he never returned. Why? because he was not a member.

    Your membership is conditioned upon a WSP background check, the same as for a CPL. Don't pass the background, no membership.

    If you do not want to attend the WAC, then by all means stay away.

    I would like to see more people there. If you are not involved in the shows, there is no way you can make an informed comment about them. Only a prejudicial remark.


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    jbone wrote:
    Not to offend anyone. I went to a WAC show for my first time a few months back at the Evergreen Sate Fair Grounds and was very disappointed that I was not able to bring in a firearm in for possible trade/sale and could not carry; state CPL license meant squat! I though it weird a gun show not allowing guns unless you paid them yearly dues. Never encountered a gun show like that before. Are there any other show’s touring the area that are gun friendly?

    They even said no cell phones allowed that have camera, who the hell even makes one now days with-out a camera? I wasn’t touring a top secret government facility!
    WAC has rules. It's a members show, which means non-members cannot bring in firearms, and they don't allow cameras inside because anti-gunners can take photos, too and use the images to campaign against gun shows, which is high on their agenda.

    Non-members cannot trade/sell firearms. period. You want to trade/sell, join the WAC.




    All shows in this state disarm you, in violation of all they claim to support, your 2A rights. Therefore, I no longer attend gun shows or have memberships in organizations putting gun shows on.
    You are not disarmed if you are a member, but no loaded guns are allowed inside as part of the contract with the fairgrounds management, and certainly as a safety issue.

    Don't boor me with "well I ain't gonna have an accident" because that doesn't wash. Couple of years back a guy in Georgia whipped out his piece to "fit it to a holster" and in the process the gun discharged and this guy's kid took one in the chest and died on the spot.

    There have been at least two NDs at Puyallup gun shows of which I am personally aware.

    I get really tired of gun people who insist "that'll never happen to me!" who then exhibit some of the worst gun safety skills on the planet, bad enough to qualify them for the DEA VIDEO STAR OF THE YEAR award.

    Anybody who believes that "rules don't apply to me" on someone else's turf, or even on their own turf, is foolish.

    WAC has thousands of pro gun fanatics in its membership, but they understand the rules and agree to live with them.

    I have had "I'm safe with my gun" arrogant twerps sweep me with the muzzles of their guns.
    I hate to say this but an unloaded gun means you are unarmmed. You might as well carry a frigging rock for all the good it would do you if you needed it right now. Hell the WAC shows even make venders tie their personal guns. Their security guys are mostly a joke too and even if they are wrong and they are way to often, they don't apologizes.

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