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I know that the supreme court ruled that guns could not be restricted from the persons home. Could this include a rented apartment on a college campus where they do not allow me to keep a pistol because its on school grounds?
 
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Izzle wrote:
I know that the supreme court ruled that guns could not be restricted from the persons home. Could this include a rented apartment on a college campus where they do not allow me to keep a pistol because its on school grounds?
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Well off campus your apartment is your home. But the SCOTUS did exempt schools as places that could be restricted, so probably not.
 
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Bear 45/70 wrote:
But the SCOTUS did exempt schools as places that could be restricted
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Chances are very good they meant primary and secondary schools, not post-secondary like a college. This one's ripe for a test case.

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John Hardin wrote:
Bear 45/70 wrote:
But the SCOTUS did exempt schools as places that could be restricted
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Chances are very good they meant primary and secondary schools, not post-secondary like a college. This one's ripe for a test case.

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When I read thru the decision (did anybody ever tell them about wordiness?), I saw nothing that differentiated primary, secondary and colleges in to separate categories. It just said schools.
 
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Bear 45/70 wrote:
When I read thru the decision (did anybody ever tell them about wordiness?), I saw nothing that differentiated primary, secondary and colleges in to separate categories. It just said schools.
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C'mon Bear, 157 pages wordy? We have posts on this board that approach that :)

Although they didn't differentiate, schools generally refers to primary/elementary/secondary. Usually if they mean schools and universities they will say "s & u". I would also think that since there have been federal laws and state laws dealing with schools that have only targeted children schools that is the meaning. AFAIK there have been no federal laws that have ever prohibited guns on universities.
 
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There may be no federal laws that prohibit firearms on college campuses, but there are laws, administrative codes, college codes of conduct ad infinitum that apply to college and university campuses.

Why are you guys even debating this?
 
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heresolong wrote:
Dave Workman wrote:
Why are you guys even debating this?
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Its summer, school is out, I have nothing better to do. Can't speak for Bear.
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Why not. If you don't wanna follow this subject then don't. Would have responded earlier but been gone all evening, took the wife out to dinner and a movie.
 
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Holo wrote:
It's bingo time at Bear's old folk's home :celebrate
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I know of some of them old folks Bear hangs out with, I think their idea of Bingo involves large bore rifles and handguns that will take out most if not all North American game... :p

"I just punched a bullet clean through that b'ar and halfway into that oak tree! BINGO!!"
 
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Dr. Fresh wrote:
What about a university-run apartment located off campus?
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If they currently have a written policy against firearms I would wait for the results of the SF ban case (city run low income housing which bans firarms). If the courts overturn this ban then you have great precedent for filing a suit against the university on your apartment complex.
 
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sv_libertarian wrote:
Holo wrote:
It's bingo time at Bear's old folk's home :celebrate
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I know of some of them old folks Bear hangs out with, I think their idea of Bingo involves large bore rifles and handguns that will take out most if not all North American game... :p

"I just punched a bullet clean through that b'ar and halfway into that oak tree! BINGO!!"
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Here's Bear and friends idea of a bullet penetration test.

 
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So, I'm counting only 6 jugs out of 14 penetrated, correct? Or, at least, there were 8 left on the board (7 standing and the last one was pushed over).

Now, since you didn't show penetration, it might have penetrated all and just blown up 6... what was the result?! *glee!*

As an aside, I'm a long-term email subscriber to The Box O' Truth.
 
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just_a_car wrote:
So, I'm counting only 6 jugs out of 14 penetrated, correct? Or, at least, there were 8 left on the board (7 standing and the last one was pushed over).

Now, since you didn't show penetration, it might have penetrated all and just blown up 6... what was the result?! *glee!*

As an aside, I'm a long-term email subscriber to The Box O' Truth.
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You need to watch the last jug on the plank. It jumps off and falls to the ground. Reason it went to the ground, is the bullet knocked it off but did not penetrate the plastic. How do we know? Well the next to the last jug hadthrough and through holes, while all we could find on the last jug was an indentation. I watched the water leak out of the last jug standing, glub, glub,glub. That's thirteen jugs penetrated.
 
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Is the OP talking about Wash. State Supreme Ct. or SCOTUS?

I ask because Heller did not enforce the 2A against the states.
 
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Bear 45/70 wrote:
just_a_car wrote:
So, I'm counting only 6 jugs out of 14 penetrated, correct? Or, at least, there were 8 left on the board (7 standing and the last one was pushed over).

Now, since you didn't show penetration, it might have penetrated all and just blown up 6... what was the result?! *glee!*

As an aside, I'm a long-term email subscriber to The Box O' Truth.
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You need to watch the last jug on the plank. It jumps off and falls to the ground. Reason it went to the ground, is the bullet knocked it off but did not penetrate the plastic. How do we know? Well the next to the last jug hadthrough and through holes, while all we could find on the last jug was an indentation. I watched the water leak out of the last jug standing, glub, glub,glub. That's thirteen jugs penetrated.
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I did watch it... thus my comment in parenthases about it. :p

Thanks for clarifying the penetration. What was that, the .45-70?
 
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just_a_car wrote:
Bear 45/70 wrote:
just_a_car wrote:
So, I'm counting only 6 jugs out of 14 penetrated, correct? Or, at least, there were 8 left on the board (7 standing and the last one was pushed over).

Now, since you didn't show penetration, it might have penetrated all and just blown up 6... what was the result?! *glee!*

As an aside, I'm a long-term email subscriber to The Box O' Truth.
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You need to watch the last jug on the plank. It jumps off and falls to the ground. Reason it went to the ground, is the bullet knocked it off but did not penetrate the plastic. How do we know? Well the next to the last jug hadthrough and through holes, while all we could find on the last jug was an indentation. I watched the water leak out of the last jug standing, glub, glub,glub. That's thirteen jugs penetrated.
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I did watch it... thus my comment in parenthases about it. :p

Thanks for clarifying the penetration. What was that, the .45-70?
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Yeah, that would be a 45/70 out of a Marlin Guide gun. A 525 grain flatnose cast lead bullet at around 1000 feet per second. It out penetrated by a bunch thanthis 420 lead bullet at over 1400 fps.

 
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Dang... you really know how to make a guy jealous there, Bear.

If I buy a .45-70, it's going to be a Marlin 1895 Guide gun with the compensation porting at the muzzle.

I mean, talk about a great brush gun... and if 4+1 rounds of .45-70 can't take care of it... you're Borked!
 
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