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    http://www.nbc4.com/news/16740256/de...=headlineclick

    LARGO, Md. -- An off-duty Secret Service agent was the victim of an attempted carjacking in Prince George's County late Saturday, police said.

    The agent was approached by five men in the parking lot of the Boulevard at the Capital Centre in Largo about 10 p.m. The agent fire his gun and the men took off in a dark-colored Nissan Maxima.

    Police later received a report of a man in a dark Maxima being dropped off at Prince George's Hospital suffering a gunshot.

    Police said they have made no arrests.

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    Snipped from: http://talking-stuff.blogspot.com/2008/06/secret-service-agent-thwarts-carjacking.html

    By Clarence Williams and Martin Weil, Washington Post Staff Writers
    Sunday, June 29, 2008; C04


    Armed robbers tried to take a motorcycle last night from an off-duty officer in the uniformed division of the Secret Service. The officer was unhurt in the confrontation, and the Maxima was later found bloody and abandoned.

    The incident occurred about 8:30 p.m. at a restaurant area on Capital Centre Boulevard. Four men drove up to the officer, and two got out, one of them with a gun. He ordered the officer to lie down while the other took the motorcycle. The officer fired his pistol at the gun-wielding robber. Abandoning the motorcycle, the robbers fled.

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    Secret Service 1 Carjacker 0

    A few years ago near Baltimore carjackers tried jacking an FBI Agent, haha, FBI 1 jackers 0.

    I'd love to see the look on these knuckeheads face when the victim pulls out a gun and shoots them, it's gotta be priceless.....
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    And being Maryland, if the victim had not been a federal agent (or a big wig politically connected democrat) he would not have been armed.
    Bob Owens @ Bearing Arms (paraphrased): "These people aren't against violence; they're very much in favor of violence. They're against armed resistance."

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    And if anyone other than the "special" people could legally carry in MD, there might even be a lowering of the rates of carjackings and other such violent crimes. WOW!Imagine that! Criminals will start to put 2 and 2 together after a # of their brethren get shot/killed by armed citizens.



    Apparently the powers that be in MD are of the mindset of the anti gun lady on the "30 days" show, when she first began her 30 days. Maybe the guv, and several senators and house reps of MD should each spend 30 days immersed in the legal gun culture and culture of carry, living with ordinary gun owning people and talking with ordinary people who used a gun in self defense.

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    Forget that, they need to spend some quality and a large quantity of time with some of the common folk who live out in the highest crime areas of the city at all hours of the night and day. Then let us see how they feel about the current gun restrictions in DC. This would open their eyes up plenty or possibly close them for ever due to the environment that they created.

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    Nicely done, Secret Service agent.

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    deepdiver wrote:
    And being Maryland, if the victim had not been a federal agent (or a big wig politically connected democrat) he would not have been armed.
    But the BG still would have. Cuz they OF COURSE care to follow the Gun Laws, right.

    To me a car, motorcycle ANY type transportation should be considered as a horse back in the "olden days".

    And WHAT did we do to horse thieves ???

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    UTOC-45-44 wrote:
    SNIP And WHAT did we do to horse thieves ???
    According to Toby Keith and Willie Nelson you found a tall oak tree...

    Then went and got your horses drunk.
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    Citizen wrote:
    UTOC-45-44 wrote:
    SNIP And WHAT did we do to horse thieves ???
    According to Toby Keith and Willie Nelson you found a tall oak tree...

    Then went and got your horses drunk.


    That's what I'm talking about



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    UTOC-45-44 wrote:
    Citizen wrote:
    UTOC-45-44 wrote:
    SNIP And WHAT did we do to horse thieves ???
    According to Toby Keith and Willie Nelson you found a tall oak tree...

    Then went and got your horses drunk.


    That's what I'm talking about
    TJ

    UTAH MAN ABUSES HORSES


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    A Utah man's advocacy for getting horses drunk has a local animal rights group up in arms. Amy Fuzzycuddles, animal rights activist, decried supplying alcohol to horses."Its horse brutality," she said.

    A veterinarian said, "Its now common for horses who witness hangings to want to go out and get drunk. We've seen a strong correlation between horseslistening to Country & Western music and equine alcohol abuse."

    Hezekiah Longneck, a descendant of several unsuccessful 19th centuryhorse-thieves supported supplying medicinal quantities of alcohol to horses. "After all that posse-riding, and having to witness capital punishment, I'd want a drink, too," he said.

    Asked about the possibility of prosecution, police responded, "The animal rights group is annoying; but we can't arrest them."

    Story based on wire reports, exaggeration, and outright invention.



    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    Citizen wrote:
    UTOC-45-44 wrote:
    Citizen wrote:
    UTOC-45-44 wrote:
    SNIP And WHAT did we do to horse thieves ???
    According to Toby Keith and Willie Nelson you found a tall oak tree...

    Then went and got your horses drunk.


    That's what I'm talking about
    TJ


    UTAH MAN ABUSES HORSES



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    A Utah man's advocacy for getting horses drunk has a local animal rights group up in arms. Amy Fuzzycuddles, animal rights activist, decried supplying alcohol to horses."Its horse brutality," she said.


    A veterinarian said, "Its now common for horses who witness hangings to want to go out and get drunk. We've seen a strong correlation between horseslistening to Country & Western music and equine alcohol abuse."


    Hezekiah Longneck, a descendant of several unsuccessful 19th centuryhorse-thieves supported supplying medicinal quantities of alcohol to horses. "After all that posse-riding, and having to witness capital punishment, I'd want a drink, too," he said.


    Asked about the possibility of prosecution, police responded, "The animal rights group is annoying; but we can't arrest them."


    Story based on wire reports, exaggeration, and outright invention.



    Citizen , you crack me up.



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    This story is proof of many things.

    1: Everybody should carry all the time. Especially in MD where the tangos no that you aren't legally supposed to carry.

    2. Tangos aren't alone anymore. A 5 shot .38 ain't going to cut it if you have to shoot it out.

    Mega ditos to the Secret Service Agent in this incident. :celebrate

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    That reminds me of a report from LAST year.

    http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/view_to...citizen+scotch

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    Fairfax County Resident Accidentally Shoots Himself

    The Fairfax Times Dispatch
    Saturday, April 28, 2007; 10:40 PM

    According to Fairfax Co. police a resident accidentally discharged a loaded firearm into his foot Saturday night while trying to unload it. A 37 year old man is in the hospital with non life threatening injuries and is expected to make a full recovery. The accident happened after the man visited an ABC store and purchased an expensive bottle of scotch at the behest of his friends who recommended it. Later on, he told police he was watching a zombie movie on television and wanted to practice "dry firing" at the T.V. set. While attempting to unload his firearm the accident occurred. Police are not expecting any charges.

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    Pointman wrote:
    XD40coyote wrote:
    And if anyone other than the "special" people could legally carry in MD, there might even be a lowering of the rates of carjackings and other such violent crimes. WOW! Imagine that! Criminals will start to put 2 and 2 together after a # of their brethren get shot/killed by armed citizens.
    I'd like to remind my favorite OpenCarry lady that in 98% of defensive gun uses, no shot is fired (AACFI). Many more lives would be saved than lost.
    When/why did I become your favorite OC lady? OMG!11!!!

    BTW I am aware of the stats. I am going on the assumption that the crooks who have been so used to unarmed civilians in this state would wake up pretty fast that something has changed and be more leery and perhaps the overall violent crime rate would go down. They will actually have to thinkabout wethertargeting that man getting in his car in the suburban mall parking garage, is a good or bad idea. Right now, he is far game for even the skinniest stupidest crackhead.

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    nakedshoplifter wrote:
    That reminds me of a report from LAST year.

    nakedshoplifter wrote: [/b]
    Fairfax County Resident Accidentally Shoots Himself

    The Fairfax Times Dispatch
    Saturday, April 28, 2007; 10:40 PM

    According to Fairfax Co. police a resident accidentally discharged a loaded firearm into his foot Saturday night while trying to unload it. A 37 year old man is in the hospital with non life threatening injuries and is expected to make a full recovery. The accident happened after the man visited an ABC store and purchased an expensive bottle of scotch at the behest of his friends who recommended it. Later on, he told police he was watching a zombie movie on television and wanted to practice "dry firing" at the T.V. set. While attempting to unload his firearm the accident occurred. Police are not expecting any charges.
    You would have to bring that up again.
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    XD40coyote wrote:
    Apparently the powers that be in MD are of the mindset of the anti gun lady on the "30 days" show, when she first began her 30 days. Maybe the guv, and several senators and house reps of MD should each spend 30 days immersed in the legal gun culture and culture of carry, living with ordinary gun owning people and talking with ordinary people who used a gun in self defense.
    ? Never heard of it.
    Why open carry? Because 1911 > 911.

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    Police later received a report of a man in a dark Maxima being dropped off at Prince George's Hospital suffering a gunshot.

    Police said they have made no arrests.
    Hm. I wonder what it would take, if not a gunshot "victim" arriving in a vehicle matching the description of felony suspects' car.

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    Maybe the police don't need to arrest the criminal since he already got what he deserved.



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    Sure it will, if you put the first bullet where it will do the most good (right through his brain stem)!!!

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    Head shots are my style in some hunting situations. However, when you shoot at bad guys in a close quarter combat situation I think that chest shots must be the order of the day.

    And.. if multiple bad guys are threatening then you are not slowed down with attempting carefully aimed shot.

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    Plus, don't forget that it looks bad to many a juror if you only put one bullet straight through a man's skull. I would do the standard two to the chest one to the head just to be safe. That way (even if he was killed by the two chest shots) it will still appear to the jury that he was still a threat. (keep in mind I'm not advocating purgery, but it will still look better.)

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    WhiteRabbit22 wrote:
    Plus, don't forget that it looks bad to many a juror if you only put one bullet straight through a man's skull. I would do the standard two to the chest one to the head just to be safe. That way (even if he was killed by the two chest shots) it will still appear to the jury that he was still a threat. (keep in mind I'm not advocating purgery, but it will still look better.)
    Yes, but you won't be in front of a jury if your attacker pulls off a shot at you before you can complete your series of three shots.

    There's also the factor that 3 shots might look like overkill.

    In thinking so much about how a jury might or might not be swayed, perhaps the most prudent thing is to think about instead how to stop a threat. As long as you have the right mindset toward self-defense (IMO, the use of deadly force only as a last resort), you should be covered against criminal charges in most areas.

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    imperialism2024 wrote:
    WhiteRabbit22 wrote:
    Plus, don't forget that it looks bad to many a juror if you only put one bullet straight through a man's skull. I would do the standard two to the chest one to the head just to be safe. That way (even if he was killed by the two chest shots) it will still appear to the jury that he was still a threat. (keep in mind I'm not advocating purgery, but it will still look better.)
    Yes, but you won't be in front of a jury if your attacker pulls off a shot at you before you can complete your series of three shots.

    There's also the factor that 3 shots might look like overkill.

    In thinking so much about how a jury might or might not be swayed, perhaps the most prudent thing is to think about instead how to stop a threat. As long as you have the right mindset toward self-defense (IMO, the use of deadly force only as a last resort), you should be covered against criminal charges in most areas.
    +1

    You're on a roll Imperialism and I'm getting tired of running around the forum agreeing with you.
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