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DKSuddeth wrote:
constable, while most on here can appreciate the viewpoint that LEOs in philly are adopting because of violence towards officers,do they (and you) not realize that it's not weapons carried in the open that you have to worry about? the thugs that are out there preying people and leo's are concealing their weapons before they strike, so tell us all how lawful people carrying concealed makes their job easier and safer as compared to lawful people carrying in the open?
The thought process really needs to be logical on that aspect.
I can understand what you are saying and like I stated earlier, I am not in no way lobbying for OC or CC or not at all, alls I am trying to say is before you you jump on the officers down there please try to understand their job there and what it is like there.
Quote "do they (and you) not realize", I do and most of them do realize that the weapons are not the point but you said it perfectly when you said..."the thugs that are out there preying people" which is exactly why when in a very high crime area such as philly when a gun is seen or heard the police come running, not because of the gun
but there are lots of "thugs" , as you put it, down in and around philly.
I encourage all as a LEO to exercise all your rights including OC, I was just trying to make point as to try to understand the other side there. the nicest looking person and the nicest acting person in the world can shoot you or someone else dead in a second and the ugliest and the "thug" looking type could be the one to come to your aid, looks are decieving and so are actions.
I am sure that after these two officers that checked him out "on the side of caution down there", that after they see him again it would be different, they may just watch him a few more times but then I am sure that once they see he isnt one of the philly "thugs" they have down there then he wont be a concern to them anymore.
When I see someone OC, I dont stop them or even question them but I do watch them closely until I know I and the people around the person is safe. The gun dont bother me, its the person, I know the gun but not the person and in todays society as you well know there are a LOT of nuts out there nowadays.
Things will change down in philly one day hopefully when and if they can clean out the criminals that are intent to to you and me harm but until then I just say try , thats all, try and give the officers there a little slack. I know the law says you can do this and that and OC there with permit etc but we all dont have to stick 100% to the letter of the law all the time, we can use our own judgement as to what is fit or not.
Many and I say many, maybe even you, I dont know for example have just been warned when you were speeding on the roads or broke some kind of law somehow no matter how small but not everyone gets a ticket or hooked up and rode down town all the time because the officer showed some understanding and gave a break. What if they all stuck to the letter of the law all the time? They can but dont because it depends on the situation at the time and the attitude.
I myself have not hooked and booked several people before for Disorderly or Drunkeness or fights etc because the situation called for other actions.
Sorry for the long post guys, bottom line, yes by all means OC or CC, which ever you prefer or not even carry at all but just maybe ...say , 1 out of 10 trips to philly CC or dont carry and just think of the officer just doing his or her job there to be safe and to make you safe. Yes alot of officers need educating on OC in this state as well shown like Dickson City buy on the same token alot of OC'ers need educated to that its a right and its for your protection and not to look like rambo so every one sees your wearing a gun to panic. You know exactly what I mean and there are those out there that do it not because its their right but to look bad and scary and to prove a point, thats all I am saying.
Talked enough, thanks and everyone be safe and happy OC or CC or however you do it if you do it