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    http://www.official4thofjuly.org/faq.html

    "What should you leave at home?

    No knives or weapons of any kind are allowed. This includes kitchen knives to cut your apple pie or chocolate cake in your Fourth of July picnic. Please cut your pie at home. For the safety of the crowd, knives will be confiscated."

    http://www.vancwa.com/4th_of_july.htm

    Is Traitor Nickels now Mayor of Vancouver as well?





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    Nope... it's a National Park. And, if I remember correctly, National Parks are off-limits to firearms until they change the rules, though National Forests are 'good to go'.

    Federal/National-level, not state/local-level.
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    "Also, no liquids will be allowed on-site. Please drink your beverages at home."

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    IIRC, the fireworks event is not limited to the grounds of Ft. Vancouver. Also, it would seem that Heller pretty much throws the NPS firearm regulation out the window.

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    Sounds like attendees will be carefully cradled in the corpulent, tender hands of Mother State. Wonderful . . . .

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    Pay_Lay_Ale wrote:
    IIRC, the fireworks event is not limited to the grounds of Ft. Vancouver. Also, it would seem that Heller pretty much throws the NPS firearm regulation out the window.
    Not until it is either changed or challenged. The only thing that Heller threw out the window is the DC gun ban.
    "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity."

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    There is also the issue of the 'time filler' entertainment provided until dark.
    RCW 70.108.020 Definitions.

    For the purposes of this chapter the following words and phrases shall have the indicated meanings:

    (1) "Outdoor music festival" or "music festival" or "festival" means an assembly of persons gathered primarily for outdoor, live or recorded musical entertainment, where the predicted attendance is two thousand persons or more and where the duration of the program is five hours or longer: PROVIDED, That this definition shall not be applied to any regularly established permanent place of worship, stadium, athletic field, arena, auditorium, coliseum, or other similar permanently established places of assembly for assemblies which do not exceed by more than two hundred fifty people the maximum seating capacity of the structure where the assembly is held: PROVIDED, FURTHER, That this definition shall not apply to government sponsored fairs held on regularly established fairgrounds nor to assemblies required to be licensed under other laws or regulations of the state.
    Putting on my 'think like an attny.' hat, I tend to concentrate on the words "...gathered primarily for outdoor, live or recorded musical entertainment..." .

    Now, while the attendance numbers will easily exceed the 2000 threshold, and one can plainly see the length passes the 5 hour mark, it seems to me that the PRIMARY purpose of the gathering is the fireworks after dark, and the main reason for showing up early is to secure a good vantage point, NOT for the muical performances.

    In addition there is also contained within the code:

    ...PROVIDED, FURTHER, That this definition shall not apply ......to assemblies required to be licensed under other laws or regulations of the state.
    Given the explosive nature of the evening's primary entertainment I can't help but think that there's going to be "licenses required under other laws or regulations of the state".
    This year might be off limits, but yer darn tootin' I'm gunna pack NEXT year! :celebrate



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    joeroket wrote:
    Pay_Lay_Ale wrote:
    IIRC, the fireworks event is not limited to the grounds of Ft. Vancouver. Also, it would seem that Heller pretty much throws the NPS firearm regulation out the window.
    Not until it is either changed or challenged. The only thing that Heller threw out the window is the DC gun ban.
    Strictly speaking, yes. But Heller did address a number of issues and sets a strong precedent. That's kinda like saying Brown vs. Board of Education didn't throw out segregation, just segregation in Topeka.

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    Pay_Lay_Ale wrote:
    joeroket wrote:
    Pay_Lay_Ale wrote:
    IIRC, the fireworks event is not limited to the grounds of Ft. Vancouver. Also, it would seem that Heller pretty much throws the NPS firearm regulation out the window.
    Not until it is either changed or challenged. The only thing that Heller threw out the window is the DC gun ban.
    Strictly speaking, yes. But Heller did address a number of issues and sets a strong precedent. That's kinda like saying Brown vs. Board of Education didn't throw out segregation, just segregation in Topeka.
    The precedence is what makes it so powerful. Also if you research a little you will see that Seattle is going through, or it was just decided, a segregation lawsuit. So case law is strong but it only sets precedence it does not null out all laws that are the same in other areas. SanFrancisco's gun ban is almost identical to DC's but it is taking a lawsuit to get it changed. Everyone gets thier day in court and this includes governments.
    "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity."

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    Holo wrote:
    "Also, no liquids will be allowed on-site. Please drink your beverages at home."
    They're not entirely insensitive... you may bring liquids as long as they are in bottles of3 fl oz or less.

    you want a quart of water?12 little bottles of water will cover that. Oh, need a gallon? Just bring your 48 little bottles with you.... you'll be fine.
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    illustrating absurdity with absurdity, lets see how far we can take this.

    Despite the fact that thousands of people will be gathered for more than 12 hours in a field on a HOT summer day, there will be:

    No baby formula
    No porta-potties (hey... pee is a liquid)
    No way to keep hydrated in anyway shape or form
    No insulin or epi-pens allowed

    Don't let them catch you sweating!... they'll bounce you for producing a liquid!:quirky

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    Washintonian_For_Liberty wrote:
    Holo wrote:
    "Also, no liquids will be allowed on-site. Please drink your beverages at home."
    They're not entirely insensitive... you may bring liquids as long as they are in bottles of3 fl oz or less.

    you want a quart of water?12 little bottles of water will cover that. Oh, need a gallon? Just bring your 48 little bottles with you.... you'll be fine.
    Airline liquor anyone?

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    Haha, glad to see my little joke didn't go unnoticed.

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    Pay_Lay_Ale wrote:
    http://www.official4thofjuly.org/faq.html

    "What should you leave at home?

    No knives or weapons of any kind are allowed. This includes kitchen knives to cut your apple pie or chocolate cake in your Fourth of July picnic. Please cut your pie at home. For the safety of the crowd, knives will be confiscated."

    http://www.vancwa.com/4th_of_july.htm

    Is Traitor Nickels now Mayor of Vancouver as well?
    No Nickels is not mayor of Vancouver but the Mayor of Vancouver (Pollard) is just as bad and as stupid as Nickels. I lived there 10 years and saw it all from the inside.
    And no this is not a National park. You should be legal to carry there as it is public property.




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    My question would be does a National Reseve actuallyqualify as a National Park?

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    Bear 45/70 wrote:
    My question would be does a National Reseve actuallyqualify as a National Park?
    There seems to be a strong distinction between a Nat'l Reserve and Nat'l Park. They both fall under the jurisdiction of NPS, however they can, and often do, contain areas within them that are publicly owned by the state, county, and/or municipality and are managed by the local government. I would think that reserves would not be considered off limits to firearms.
    "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity."

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    It is indeed under the controll of the National Park Service.

    This PDF MAP shows the area owned by the feds. It includes Officers Row, and part of Pearson airpark. The activities are situated in the area covered by the words "VANCOUVER NATIONAL HISTORIC RESERVE".

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    And in that instance it is controlled and managed by a local government, probably the city of Vancouver. I have found nothing that indicates the NPS restricts firearms in Nat'l Reserves.
    "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity."

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    In 1970, Congress elaborated on the 1916 National Park Service Organic Act, saying all units of the system have equal legal standing in a national system.
    Still concidered a 'National Park'.

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    Ahhh. I missed that. Thanks.
    "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity."

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    Pay_Lay_Ale wrote:
    IIRC, the fireworks event is not limited to the grounds of Ft. Vancouver. Also, it would seem that Heller pretty much throws the NPS firearm regulation out the window.
    Yup. There are a million... no wait a billion places to watch the river fireworks show in Portland/Vancouver.



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