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    www.nrapublications.org/oj/nobullets.html

    All gun owners are familiar with the 17th century maxim, "Keep your powder dry.” But if we expect to be gun owners in the 21st century, we have to update that to read, “Keep your powder—and all the rest of your ammunition—at all.” That’s because politicians who want to ban guns, but who don’t have the votes in Congress and state legislatures, are trying to achieve the same effect by banning the manufacture, importation, sale and possession of as much ammunition as possible, and severely restricting the rest.
    In the last year, so-called “encoded” or “serialized” ammunition bills have been introduced in 13 states—Arizona, Connecticut, Hawaii, Illinois, Indiana, Maryland, Mississippi, Missouri, New York, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Tennessee and Washington. Their goal: Destroy our Right to Keep and Bear Arms.
    All of these bills would prohibit the manufacture and sale of ammunition, unless the bullets and cartridge cases are marked with a code and registered to the owners in a computerized database. Most would also require gun owners to forfeit any non-coded ammunition they possess. For example, Arizonas bill says, “Beginning January 1, 2011, a private citizen or a retail vendor shall dispose of all noncoded ammunition that is owned or held by the citizen or vendor.” Tennessee’s says, “All non-coded ammunition . . . shall be disposed.” And in Pennsylvania, “An owner of ammunition . . . not encoded by the manufacturer . . . shall dispose of the ammunition.”
    These bills include no compensation for the loss of millions of rounds of privately owned ammunition. But that’s not the point. Nor is the fact that ammunition encoding hasn’t been tested, let alone proven. Nor is the fact that criminals would easily figure out the numerous, obvious ways to beat ammunition registration.
    The point of these bills is to prevent gun owners from having ammunition for defense, practice, sport and hunting. The fact that these bills are not gun bans is a mere technicality because, in practical terms, ammo bans are gun bans.
    That isn’t the end of the anti-gunners’ attacks on ammunition in the current Congress and state legislative sessions. Ammunition bans are taking almost as many legislative and regulatory forms as there are types of ammunition to outlaw.
    In October, the California legislature banned center-fire ammunition containing more than trace amounts of lead, when hunting big game and coyotes in the area inhabited by the California condor. And within two months, the state’s Department of Fish and Wildlife adopted a regulation going further, banning any sort of lead ammunition when hunting any game or non-game animal in the condor’s area. Now a lead bullet ban is being pushed in Arizona, too, even though there is still no solid evidence that condors anywhere are dying because they have ingested fragments of traditional hunting bullets.
    In Congress, a handful of members of the House (all rated “F” by the NRA Political Victory Fund) have introduced an “armor-piercing ammunition” bill to ban any handgun that can fire a bullet that, if fired from any rifle or handgun, could penetrate a protective vest. Given the number of rifle calibers that use the same diameter bullets as handguns, and the number of handguns that use rifle ammunition, all or virtually all handguns would be banned if this bill became law. Another bill proposes to reinstate the former Clinton Gun Ban’s prohibition on the manufacture and possession of ammunition magazines that hold more than 10 rounds.

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    yeahYeah quoted:
    These bills include no compensation for the loss of millions of rounds of privately owned ammunition.
    ...and that's just in my basement!



    Anyhow, a valid concern... but a little less of a threat than gun bans and registration. Many people have reloading presses, but not so many have gun factories.

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    i was thinking of reloading, but do not have the upfront costs.

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    yeahYeah wrote:
    i was thinking of reloading, but do not have the upfront costs.
    First get a good reloading book so that you understand the process and what is needed, then go to auction arms or gunbroker. They have lots of good used stuff for sale.

    WARNING: A reloading hobby is a very hard habit to kick. Once you start, it becomes worse than a boating hobby.
    He wore his gun outside his pants for all the honest world to see. Pancho & Lefty

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    My hobby has become guns period



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    I intend to start reloading soon. I need to sort out my space situation as my wife is unhappy with the clutter from some other projects.

    Of course sounds like I may need to also learn how to cast bullets , casings and may even make powder if these types of trends keep up... and of course lay in a 100k of primers or more..

    Don't forget folks - you don't just need ammo for yourself for your lifespan if it comes down to where it is banned. You need some for your children, and their children.

    Of course our governor here thinks 300 rounds is a "stockpile" that needs to be registered with the state.

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    wow - if i lived in VA, i would be told i need an FFL then. my "stockpile" is 3x yours and its not enough for me.

    i have the same issue - not a lot of space and a wife to keep happy. this would most likely have to be in my garage where there is NO ROOM!

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    yeahYeah wrote:
    i was thinking of reloading, but do not have the upfront costs.
    If you do any type of decent shooting now, you will easily make up for it in a few thousand rounds. The way .45 is now, 2000-3000 rounds your press is paid for.

    But to the article: Pure BS. But at least the anti's are smart and dynamic in their tactics. But, we just have to be more prevelant.

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    I put about 300 a month through my XD and maybe 400-500 through my AK. 9mm is still cheap, and 7.62x29 is cheaper.


    our enemy is smart...we're not dealing with idiots here. they have a goal and they will do anything to make it.

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    yeahYeah wrote:
    I put about 300 a month through my XD and maybe 400-500 through my AK. 9mm is still cheap, and 7.62x29 is cheaper.


    our enemy is smart...we're not dealing with idiots here. they have a goal and they will do anything to make it.
    Even if you aren't going to start reloading, start saving all the brass you shoot. I have about 500-1000 rounds saved up already I plan to reload in the future.

    Will help cut down on your "startup" costs

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    i collect all of my brass no matter if i am in the desert or in a range. I generally sell it to other reloaded for the quick cash.


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    Based on what I know about the states in which this kooky idea has been floated, the only ones in which it stands a chance are PRHI, PRIL,PRMDand PRRI. Gun rights activists are simply too strong in the other states for nonsense laws like this to even see the light of day.

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    tattedupboy wrote:
    Based on what I know about the states in which this kooky idea has been floated, the only ones in which it stands a chance are PRHI, PRIL,PRMDand PRRI. Gun rights activists are simply too strong in the other states for nonsense laws like this to even see the light of day.
    Dont leave PRNY and PRCA....

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    Until they make reloading illegal...

    Reloading Bench - Meth Lab....same thing in the anti's eyes!

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    BobCav wrote:
    Until they make reloading illegal...

    Reloading Bench - Meth Lab....same thing in the anti's eyes!
    something tells me a methlab will be made legal faster then a reloading bench.

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    Scalia in the Heller majority opinion addresses constraints on ammo from an historical perspective. I think you'll find a plethora of suits coming up now that address ammo restrictions in light of Heller.



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    yeahYeah wrote:
    BobCav wrote:
    Until they make reloading illegal...

    Reloading Bench - Meth Lab....same thing in the anti's eyes!
    something tells me a methlab will be made legal faster then a reloading bench.
    But of course! There's a lot of money in "rehab" and just LOOK at how many people we've helped! (puke...)

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