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    http://www.economist.com/world/na/di...ry_id=11670740

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    Jul 3rd 2008 | AUSTIN AND TAMPA
    From The Economist print edition

    Gun owners are becoming emboldened. That may be premature

    APAre you looking at me?
    ON JUNE 26th the Supreme Court overturned the District of Columbia’s handgun ban and asserted that individuals have the right to own guns. Gun enthusiasts rejoiced. But as they move to capitalise on this favourable judgment, they may run into new problems.

    Consider two developing gun-rights controversies. On July 1st Florida became the fourth state to allow people to bring their guns to work. The gun has to stay locked in the car, and its owner must have a concealed-weapons permit. You cannot bring your gun if you work in a school, hospital, prison or power plant.

    The law is good news for Floridians with a dangerous commute. Those who like to go hunting after work are also excited. But the prospect of heavily fortified strip-malls alarms others. The state leads the nation in concealed weapons permits; half a million people have them.

    Florida Democrats opposed the measure. But its passage has a silver lining for them. The law has created a rift between two old allies in the Republican Party: the gun-rights crowd and business owners. The latter believe that it conflicts with their property rights. Employers are not allowed to ask workers if they have a gun in the glove box. If an employee opens fire at work, worries Irwin Stotzky of the University of Miami, the employer could be held responsible in a civil suit. The Florida Chamber of Commerce and the Florida Retail Federation are suing to overturn the law. Robert Hinkle, a Tallahassee judge, will weigh in later this month. He has already said that the law is poorly written and “stupid”. Guns at work could be a useful election-year issue for Democrats.

    A similar development is brewing in Texas. The state welcomed the Supreme Court’s decision. Its senior senator, Kay Bailey Hutchison, was a leading opponent of the District’s gun ban. She herself keeps “the normal handguns and shotguns” at home. But now there is a controversial movement afoot to allow people to carry their handguns openly, as the cowboys used to do. Texas is one of only six states where guns must be hidden. “Open-carry” advocates say that carrying a gun is natural, and that having to hide it is unfair. They add that people wear lots of things on their belts, such as BlackBerrys. Almost 18,000 people have signed one online petition. One supporter recently had two chainsaws stolen in a parking lot, and he said it would never have happened had he had his gun handy.

    In this case, too, most Democrats are appalled. But they can let Republicans take up the fight for them. Plenty of gun proponents oppose open-carry. Joe Driver, a Republican representative from Garland, is more interested in efforts to get Texas its own guns-at-work law. As for the open-carry movement, he likes the idea that criminals don’t know who is carrying a gun. That way, perhaps, they have to be extra careful.

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    It is a fine line we walk. Clearly, if we don't OC for fear of not being able to OC, we've already lost.

    OTOH, pushing for too much, too fast can backfire. Consider how certain "immigrant" rallies a couple years ago really gavalnized oppositiong to any kind of amnesty for illegal aliens; just the OPPOSITE result the organizers and participants had hoped for.

    Similarly, gay rights activitsts are counseling AGAINST any new lawsuits right now having recognized the effect the Massachusetts SC ruling on gay marriage had on elections a couple of years ago and hoping to avoid a repeat with the recent California SC ruling and this year's elections.

    I do think firm, steady, incremental change is needed. I hope any lawsuits filed to build upon Heller are VERY carefully conceived to advance RKBA, rather than provide the court too easy an opportunity to roll back Heller.

    Of course, what may be necessary in one setting may not be in another. Here in Utah, for example we have VERY strict State preemption that is very well supported. So forcing local government to comply with that law by repealing local ordinances that contradict it, removing anti-gun signs, and the like is a pretty safe bet. I think we start to take risks if we try to force private businesses to drop their anti-gun, but perfectly legal policies.

    In any event, the cautions in this article are well worth considering.

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    What's premature about doing something that is legal in nearly every state in the republic.

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    tito887 wrote:
    What's premature about doing something that is legal in nearly every state in the republic.
    because if its not phased in correctly the antis will use the liberal media and disinformation and the non-gun owning public to twist the issue around and make it that much harder. Think of it this way...would you want the constitutionality of OC'ing brought before the supreme court as it is now? Do you think Kennedy would support it? If the SCOTUS were to knock down OC'ing that could cripple not only OC'ing but also carrying period.

    I'm anxious to get breyer and stevens out and get two pro gun freedom loving justices there and THEN push the envelope of the second amendment. Acting too fast now could hurt us in the long run.

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    The article I think correctly highlights some philisophical challenges with the NRA backed bills to preempt private property owner rights in parking lots - I'm not opposed to some civil rights laws for gun woners ,ind you, but think that this type of bill has a low payoff to high piss off ratio.

    People open carrying is not that new nor is it controversial - everybody knows that concealed carry by criminals is the threat.

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    Mike wrote:
    The article I think correctly highlights some philisophical challenges with the NRA backed bills to preempt private property owner rights in parking lots - I'm not opposed to some civil rights laws for gun woners ,ind you, but think that this type of bill has a low payoff to high piss off ratio.

    People open carrying is not that new nor is it controversial - everybody knows that concealed carry by criminals is the threat.
    I love the way you worded that. Absolute poetry, Mike.

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    I reckon I've been phasing in OC for 35 years.

    First time I was ever questioned was 1973. I won the altercation with the Chief Of Police of New Haven, Ky after he stopped me.We became friends after that.

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    Open carry movement "premature"?

    On the contrary, this action was too long in the taking.

    I cringe at the thought of what this nation would become if there weren't ardent supporters of the 2nd willing to tolerate the jeers of anti-gunners, the hand wringing socialists, and even faux pro-gunners predicting the demise of "CCW" over the arrogance of open carriers. With the right to carry out of sight and out of mind, it would certainly fade away like words written in the sand.

    I think that this article is myopic, only dealingtwoevents recently covered by the media. If we look at the broader picture, it would be recognized that the restoration of gun ownership and carry of firearms has become stronger in many ways over the past 20 years- Heller only seems to confirm this as the culmination of what we all know to be true.

    So it isnt premature by any description- if anything,it is a sign that we havemomentum.
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    There was a recent (4-8 weeks ago) cover of the Economist with a picture of a semiautopistol, done up with red and white stripes.

    "America's Tragedy" the cover proclaimed.

    Well, it's not hard to discern their stance on the 2nd Amendment...

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