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    Two armed men barged into a Subway Sandwich shop shortly after 11 p.m., demanding money from the employee, behind the counter. When they tried to force John Lovell - the lone customer, age 71, into the bathroom, he pulled out a gun and shot both men, police said.

    Donicio Arrindell, 22, was shot in the head and later died at the hospital. Fredrick Gadson, 21, was shot in the chest and ran from the Subway, but police found him in hiding in some bushes on the property of a nearby BankAtlantic.

    Lovell, 71. Police said he had a concealed weapons permit. Retired US Marine.

    Lovell's neighbor said he made the right decision.

    "He did the right thing," said Wendi Hill. "I mean, I was glad that it was them that got shot and not him."

    The dead criminal's grandma told Local 10 News that Lovell was wrong for pulling the trigger. "He should not have taken the law in his hands," said Rosa Jones, again, Gadson's (the perp who is still living via ventilator) grandmother. Her husband, (not Gadson's grandfather? It's a little vague with the details...) Ivory Jones, also condemned the media for its portrayal of Lovell's actions. "I don't condone what they did, (but) I definitely don't condone the news people making him out to seem like they're making a hero out of this man because he shot somebody down," he said.

    Police said Lovell, the retired Marine, wouldn't be charged.

    As stated in the SCOTUS decision - a gun levels the playing field - a victim has a chance against their aggressors. Where else does a 71 year old have a chance against two gun wielding 20 year old? How much imagination does it take to imagine reversing this narrative - an employee and 71 year old customer are found dead in a Subway bathroom? Not much, right?

    And how about the criminal being the "victim" here? That sickens me. John Lovell isn't a vigilante. He defended his life. Now he's alive. Simple.

    And yes, I have rewritten this story, because the first time I read it - it was very anti John Lovell. The fact John is alive was on the bottom of the story, and the Grandma statement was on the masthead of the story. Totally bogus.

    In fact, there's even a picture of the perp and his grandma complaining into a microphone.(link)

    Unbelievable.Labels: guns
    posted by Capn at Friday, July 04, 2008
    TheRealMe said... From the Greek ἣρως, in mythology and folklore, a hero (male) or heroine (female) are characters that in the face of danger and adversity, from a position of weakness display courage and the will for self-sacrifice, that is, heroism, for some greater good, originally of martial courage or excellence but extended to more general moral excellence.

    Well he may not be Peter Petrelli, Hiro Nakamura or even Claire Bennet, but I’m thinking John Lovell just might qualify as a hero (read the story here).

    In regards to Grandmother Rosa Jones’ statement:

    “He ain’t no hero. He is a murderer and God will serve justice.”

    I believe GrandMa Jones you might want to think that quite possibly God did serve justice that day. You should be happy that His justice didn’t end up with your grandson dead next to his friend. Your grandson, should he be ok, might get that second chance to turn his life around again. Be happy for what God didn’t take away from you. Be happy that at age 71 that Mr. Lovell’s eyesight may not have been what it was 20 or 30 years ago. Be grateful Mr. Lovell didn’t have a second firearm. I could go on, but mostly Rosa you need to be grateful that your grandson, who tried to rob a 71 year old man, wasn’t found lying face down with a bullet through his head. Mr. Lovell isn’t the problem here. He reacted to your grandson and his friend pointing a gun at him. If it was me instead of Mr. Lovell, I’m sure I would have been found dead in that restroom because I don’t carry a gun. What justice would you seek then from your God? Be grateful that your grandson isn’t at least an actual murderer (that we know of).
    7/04/2008 12:53 PM 7/04/2008 12:54 PM 7/04/2008 5:56 PM 7/04/2008 6:05 PM govnndotcom said... Good for the guy! You know the two he shot are good for nothing Obamas. And the Obama grama and sugar daddy have nothing to say about their Obama spawn acting like Obamas. Friggin Obamas. Time to ship them back to 'Feaka. The experiment failed a long time ago.
    7/04/2008 6:08 PM 7/04/2008 6:19 PM 7/04/2008 6:39 PM 7/04/2008 6:42 PM 7/04/2008 7:13 PM 7/04/2008 7:18 PM 7/04/2008 7:18 PM 7/04/2008 7:21 PM Scott said... This guy did the right thing. He protected his own life and that of the innocent store clerk.

    But we should not celebrate him, nor give him verbal pats on the back. He was forced by two IDIOTS to do something tragic. Shooting people dead is never to be applauded.

    The crooks deserved what they got but I do not celebrate their death. I call them idiots because their actions bear that out. But I don't have to like the fact that they got shot with one dead, one severely injured. Sad.
    7/04/2008 7:57 PM The Monkey King said... Can there be a better argument for allowing citizens to own and carry firearms? I can't think of one.
    7/04/2008 8:10 PM 7/04/2008 8:17 PM Jonny Mnemonic said... So. Two armed men try to rob a Subway, and they both get shot by this guy? They are the ones in the wrong, not him. I think the punishment fits the crime, myself.
    7/04/2008 8:56 PM 7/04/2008 9:28 PM 7/04/2008 9:58 PM 7/04/2008 10:00 PM 7/04/2008 10:56 PM 7/05/2008 12:40 AM Chimp Out . Com said... Fact:

    * “Blacks commit more violent crime against whites than against other blacks.” Forty-five percent of the victims of violent crime by blacks are white folks, 43 percent are black, 10 percent are Hispanic.

    * Blacks are seven times as likely as people of other races to commit murder, eight times more likely to commit robbery and three times more likely to use a gun in a crime.

    * “Blacks are an estimated 39 times more likely to commit violent crime against a white person than vice versa, and 136 times more likely to commit robbery.” (If decent black folks have trouble hailing a cab, and they do, these numbers may help explain it.)

    * Black-on-white rape is 115 times more common than the reverse.

    Chimpout . com for more info
    7/05/2008 2:05 AM 7/05/2008 2:37 AM 7/05/2008 5:53 AM 7/05/2008 10:23 AM half.echilon said... that's why you HAVE CONCEALED WEAPONS PERMITS.! so ******* like these kids, CANT TAKE advantage of the law. it is almost IMPOSSIBLE to acquire a CWP. soo the man was well within his right. I have a concealed weapons permit; im an Army Ranger Vet. the REASON I CARRY a pistol, is to be able to use it in the event that i can do some good.
    7/05/2008 12:37 PM Anonymous said... That's what happens when you mess around with the wrong person. If the perps drew a weapon on him, then deadly force is justified-plain and simple!


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    good for the 71yo

    Shows another reason why law abiding citizens sbould beable to carry firearms if they so choose, cause the criminals dont care.....!

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    Hoo Rah!

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    It always amazes me, the families of these types of people

    They get on camera "they didn't deserve to die, they were such a good person, they evil person with a gun that killed them should be in jail"

    If it were my parents, it would be more "they got what they deserved, we are sad, but it was their choice"

    So goes, maybe that is why I am not a criminal...

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    Good shootin', Mr Lovell! Very good shootin'.

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    Stupid runs in the family.

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    Italternately amuses & aggravatesme when I hearthose that spawned such fine upstanding members of society,moan & cry about how innocent & nice theirprogeny was, and how they didn't deserve what they got when said slimebags attempt to victimize a law-abiding citizen. I wonder how long it took for the families of those two worthless pieces of meat (one of them now decaying meat) to call a lawyer for inquiriesabout a potential civil suit.

    In any case, showcasing those people who are responsible for bringing into this world two individuals bent on taking advantage of honest Americans, is argument enough for mandatory sterilization.

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    I'm confused. Is the OP a real article or not? And what's with all the "blacks commit lots of crime..." stuff? What's that got to do with the story? Why is the OP written in a confusing manner?

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    Tomahawk wrote:
    I'm confused. Is the OP a real article or not? And what's with all the "blacks commit lots of crime..." stuff? What's that got to do with the story? Why is the OP written in a confusing manner?
    The stuff is directly from the website the news story was on.

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    i would have done the same.

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    anyone know what lovell was packin'?

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    At the bottom of the post with the statistics it said the source was chimpout.com which, upon investigation, is run by the Stormfront people -- white supremacists.

    I'd feel more comfortable if those stats had come from an unbiased source.

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    The 71 year old did what any reasonable person would have done if two armed thugs were holding you up. They brought a gun to a gunfight and got exactly what they deserve.

    The media giving the thug's grandmother all the airtime is ridiculous. I think folks with a value system such that their kid runs around and commits armed robbery ought not point the finger at a person forced to neutralize said threat.
    Grandma and any others who are apologists about friends and/or family members who chronically behave badly in the community as her grandson and his friend did -- well a little introspection by grandma and her community is in order. It'd be like blaming a cop for shooting a armed robber. You pick up and gun and commit violent gun crime these things are going to happen.

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    wayneco wrote:
    At the bottom of the post with the statistics it said the source was chimpout.com which, upon investigation, is run by the Stormfront people -- white supremacists.

    I'd feel more comfortable if those stats had come from an unbiased source.
    One of the reasons I quit going to keepandbeararms.com is because the comment threads are overrun with white supremicist nutcases.
    Let's try to keep that anti-freedom garbage off OCDO, please.

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    Maybe grandma was always bailing the kid out of trouble and he never got the lesson that your actions require you to deal with the consequences. I'm thinking that if she has always had this attitude that he never does wrong that maybe the blood of Mr. Gadson and Mr. Arrindell is on her hands.

    You reap what you sow.

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    A very interesting and very likely true thought about the grandmother.

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    Oorah !!!!!


    Semper Fi you Old Salt Dog !!!

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    Nicely done, Mr. Lovell.

    I'm interested, though, if the delayed timing in firing at the attackers was due to a desire to use lethal force as a last resort, or due to an inability to draw from concealment until the attackers were otherwise distracted... you know, exercising that "element of surprise".

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    imperialism2024 wrote:
    Nicely done, Mr. Lovell.

    I'm interested, though, if the delayed timing in firing at the attackers was due to a desire to use lethal force as a last resort, or due to an inability to draw from concealment until the attackers were otherwise distracted... you know, exercising that "element of surprise".
    I had the same question when I first read the story last week, imperialism.
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    hsmith wrote:
    If it were my parents, it would be more "they got what they deserved, we are sad, but it was their choice"
    my parents would say the same exact thing.



    I am proud of the 71-yr-old. This kind of thing needs to happen more often in crimes. I'll tell you what, I bet the robber that's still alive will think real hard about robbing another place.

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    What P*SSES me of is that they nilly always portray the bad guy as some sort of idiot gone wrong then you get the family saying that he was a good boy gone wrong and I will say good on the elderly gent for not being the victim this time
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    That's because it wasn't their son, daughter, mother, father, sibling who was nearly killed, raped, beaten, robbed by the BG. They are all empathetic until it touches them close to home.
    Bob Owens @ Bearing Arms (paraphrased): "These people aren't against violence; they're very much in favor of violence. They're against armed resistance."

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