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    I was at the Mall in the now famous Dickson City, Pa and looking around when I noticed Dickson City Police in uniform with sidearms and a little later I saw two dudes without jackets but wearing dress shirt with tie and slacks and high on hip holsters walking together. I assumed they were security. Maybe not.

    My reason for this post is this- If I were dressed in slacks, shirt and tie and OC...would I be less obvious/more accepted than if I were wearing baggy jeans and an old tee-shirt and OC. ??



    I'm just a stinkin' factory worker- would me and my Kahr stick out worse than some accountant and his S/W ??

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    I think contast is as important (or maybe more) that the actual 'style' of what you're wearing. Black jeans and t-shirt with a Glock and black holster will likely be almost invisible to the sheep.

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    My reason for this post is this- If I were dressed in slacks, shirt and tie and OC...would I be less obvious/more accepted than if I were wearing baggy jeans and an old tee-shirt and OC. ??
    I'm (among other things) a "stinkin' truck driver", retired mailman, and a general all around"social agitator" . If YOUR "purpose" in OC'ing is to de-sensitize your community in a gradual way , (I think) the NEAT look of nice casual slacks, dress shoes, "pressed" dress shirt, with low profile tie, ball-point and note pad in breast pocket - will work. A nice (blue ?) golf /polo shirt ? Additionally - maybe a cell phone clipped to belt, neat (short) hair-cut, a compact, or sub-compact sem-auto (Glock, Sig, S&W, XD)- maybe IWB holster/or out. On the other hand -If YOUR "purpose" is confrontation with the public and LEO's - by all means assert your 2A right "in their face". I support the "meet & greet" at a resturaunt concept. There is more than one "front" in this battle. When 15 or so OC'ing citizens congregate publicly - it won't go unnoticed. That's the whole point. An individual out & about running errands in the community - I would prefer to be perceived as a purposeful person, on a deliberate "mission", that "looks like" I should be wearing a side-arm, but it's hot in the summer and I simply chose not to wear a jacket......

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    KAHR54 wrote:
    I was at the Mall in the now famous Dickson City, Pa and looking around when I noticed Dickson City Police in uniform with sidearms and a little later I saw two dudes without jackets but wearing dress shirt with tie and slacks and high on hip holsters walking together. I assumed they were security. Maybe not.

    My reason for this post is this- If I were dressed in slacks, shirt and tie and OC...would I be less obvious/more accepted than if I were wearing baggy jeans and an old tee-shirt and OC. ??



    I'm just a stinkin' factory worker- would me and my Kahr stick out worse than some accountant and his S/W ??
    I absolutely believe that dressing more professional will help you be more accepted... I normally wear Khaki carharts with a nice dress shirt tucked in. Most of the time people hardly even notice. The ones who do, have not said anything to me, nor has anyone given me any trouble. That includes police officers that I've walked by.

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    I absolutely believe that dressing more professional will help you be more accepted... I normally wear Khaki carharts with a nice dress shirt tucked in. Most of the time people hardly even notice. The ones who do, have not said anything to me, nor has anyone given me any trouble. That includes police officers that I've walked by.


    IMHO..dressing more professional gets you "accepted" mainly cause the sheep think yourmore then likely a policedetective (or something similar).if i'm out and about,i don't dress up(only for weddings and funerals will i do that).

    you'll see me in (black or blue denim) shorts and a plain colored or whitet-shirt (during the summer)


    BTW-i have nothing against those that like to look professional..i think how you act also helps with how your accepted.

    I think contast is as important (or maybe more) that the actual 'style' of what you're wearing. Black jeans and t-shirt with a Glock and black holster will likely be almost invisible to the sheep
    +1 my 92 in it's holster can be hard to see when i'm wearing black..







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    My attire varies from day to day and what I maybe out doing.

    If I'm just out and about or taking the kids to karate practice I usually am in my boots,wranglers and a t-shirt. Sometimes tucked in but usually untucked.

    Now if we are out for a night on the town for dinner and whatever after. I usually wear dark or a darker slack with a dress shirt to match.

    At times my wife will ask if I am carrying as she couldn't tell with the darker clothes.

    Regardless I will wear clothes that aren't all beat up as if I just got done working in the yard an such. I try to be as presentable as possible yet still casual as can be.
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    Yes, dressing nice will help if you don't want to be noticed, but then again, there's always CC for those who don't want to be noticed :quirky

    I have to dress business casual for work, so about half the time I OC in Kakhi dress pants and a collared shirt. The other half I'm in jeans and a tshirt, but with either my XD in a serpa sticks out, and if that doesn't draw enough attention, I carry two extra shiny silver mags, in the open top mag holster that came with my XDs.

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    I think the key concept (apart from how to emphasize/deemphasize the firearm itself) is that what you wear sends a message about who you are and what you're all about. IMHO, the message one wants to send when carrying openly is "I'm a respectable citizen, just like you." Where you are and who else is around will determine how to say that.

    Shirt and tie when everyone else is dressing more casual might not send that as well as something else, particularly if it's an "unfashionable" shirt and tie (and don't get me wrong, I'm no one's idea of a GQ type). The question to ask is, "What are the people where I'm going to be going to think when they see me?"

    I am emphatically not saying that one's rights depend on how one is dressed. But dress and demeanor always say something about who you are, like it or not If you care what that is, dress appropriately for what you want to say. If you want to say "Yeah, I'm a <whatever>, what's it to ya?" there are ways to say that loud and clear, too.

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    Gentleman Ranker wrote:
    I think the key concept (apart from how to emphasize/deemphasize the firearm itself) is that what you wear sends a message about who you are and what you're all about. IMHO, the message one wants to send when carrying openly is "I'm a respectable citizen, just like you." Where you are and who else is around will determine how to say that.

    Shirt and tie when everyone else is dressing more casual might not send that as well as something else, particularly if it's an "unfashionable" shirt and tie (and don't get me wrong, I'm no one's idea of a GQ type). The question to ask is, "What are the people where I'm going to be going to think when they see me?"

    I am emphatically not saying that one's rights depend on how one is dressed. But dress and demeanor always say something about who you are, like it or not If you care what that is, dress appropriately for what you want to say. If you want to say "Yeah, I'm a <whatever>, what's it to ya?" there are ways to say that loud and clear, too.

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    When reading your post, I was preparing to disagree with you, but then you brought it back around to something I can agree with.

    What you wear does say a lot about you, at least to other people, right or not. So does wearing a gun. I don't worry about what I'm wearing when I OC, because I have the right to wear whatever I want just as much as the right to OC. I feel it's counter-productive to hold back on one of my rights just to feel better about expressing another. As a side note, I like to think I always dress presentably. On occasion, I do wear my old "Make 7, up yours" shirt, but that's the most controversial thing I wear, not because I want others to think of me a certain way, but because it's how I like to dress.

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    When reading your post, I was preparing to disagree with you, but then you brought it back around to something I can agree with.
    I almost forgot to add that, but I agree that it is an important point.

    One of the reasons to carry openly (which I plan to start doing before long) is to make a statement about 2nd Amendment rights and to educate others. And some people need to hear that others' rights don't depend on their personal opinions and ... especially ... their feelings.

    At the same time ... again, just MHO ... I think it works better when one doesn't stress the normals too much all at once.

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    I tend to dress "tidy" I guess you would say and in what would have once been called "preppy". I hate untucked shirts for example (which makes CC more difficult). I just don't seem to get bothered that much about carrying by people.
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    Darn! I guess I just need to go out and purchase myself an entirely new wardrobe if I even want to consider OCing. I guess that my wardrobe, which is mostly baggy clothes (not sagging pants that show my underwear, however) withloose fitting t-shirts, in addition to tattoo covered arms, carrying a full-size Glock 22,is not the image OCers should attempt to portray. Can't have anyone associating the "hip hop" look with OC, now can we?

    My suggestion is to wear whatever you want, because no matter what, you are carrying not to be "accepted," but to protect yourself andyour loved ones.An anti is an anti, andthe sight of a gun is going to make them poop in their pants regardless if the person carrying it is a criminal, a law abiding citizen "nicely" dressed, or a"grungy" ordinary person. Just make sure that while you're carrying, you behave yourself.

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    I dress in whatever crap I would have dressed in anyway. Giving someone even a slight reason to think you are a cop isn't any good for furthering the cause of open carry. I often go out in blue jeans, a t-shirt, boots or running shoes, and I sometimes use a very un cop like camoflage holster.
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    tattedupboy wrote:
    Darn! I guess I just need to go out and purchase myself an entirely new wardrobe if I even want to consider OCing. I guess that my wardrobe, which is mostly baggy clothes (not sagging pants that show my underwear, however) withloose fitting t-shirts, in addition to tattoo covered arms, carrying a full-size Glock 22,is not the image OCers should attempt to portray. Can't have anyone associating the "hip hop" look with OC, now can we?

    My suggestion is to wear whatever you want, because no matter what, you are carrying not to be "accepted," but to protect yourself andyour loved ones.An anti is an anti, andthe sight of a gun is going to make them poop in their pants regardless if the person carrying it is a criminal, a law abiding citizen "nicely" dressed, or a"grungy" ordinary person. Just make sure that while you're carrying, you behave yourself.
    Nah, go for it with what you have now. Just be aware that you might get a little less hassle if you dress a little nicer. While it may not be right, you will be judged partly by how you are dressed.

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    Same concept goes for a shoulder rig.

    If I have a hip holster on and you have a shoulder Rig on ... guess who will bring the most attention....

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    While it is not fair, people are going to judge you on your appearance. NOT BEING RACIAL, but if you are mexican walking into a 7-11 in a white beater and khaki pants, the clerk may just give you the money without you even saying anything. Being black, I know that if I walk around with jeans down to my ankels in 95 degree weather with a long white tee or a hoodie, life would not be easy that day. I have a good feeling that the people on these forums and who are responsible enough are not trying to thug it up out there. I would say dress appropriately. You don't have to be like Bond and wear a tux wherever you go, but don't look like you just met up with DMX's boysin the projects either.



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    I've OCd and been hassled wearing both "nice outfits" and "casual outfits".

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    Not all BG's dress like urban outdoorsmen (homeless people)either.

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    KAHR54 wrote:
    I was at the Mall in the now famous Dickson City, Pa and looking around when I noticed Dickson City Police in uniform with sidearms┬* and a little later I saw two dudes without jackets but wearing dress shirt with tie and slacks and high on hip holsters┬* walking together.┬* I assumed they were security.┬* Maybe not.

    My reason for this post is this-┬* If I were dressed in slacks, shirt and tie and OC...would I be less obvious/more accepted┬* than if I were wearing baggy jeans and an old tee-shirt and OC. ??

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    I'm just a stinkin' factory worker- would me and my Kahr stick out worse than some accountant and his S/W┬* ??
    You, sir, are the backbone of America, but, unfortunatly, a guy in a white shirt and tie, will not get the un-wanted attention you would get, if you are both open carrying.

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    tarzan1888 wrote:
    KAHR54 wrote:
    I was at the Mall in the now famous Dickson City, Pa and looking around when I noticed Dickson City Police in uniform with sidearms and a little later I saw two dudes without jackets but wearing dress shirt with tie and slacks and high on hip holsters walking together. I assumed they were security. Maybe not.

    My reason for this post is this- If I were dressed in slacks, shirt and tie and OC...would I be less obvious/more accepted than if I were wearing baggy jeans and an old tee-shirt and OC. ??



    I'm just a stinkin' factory worker- would me and my Kahr stick out worse than some accountant and his S/W ??
    You, sir, are the backbone of America, but, unfortunatly, a guy in a white shirt and tie, will not get the un-wanted attention you would get, if you are both open carrying.

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    Yeah, have you noticed that it doesn't appear to be the "IN" thing these days to have "backbone"?



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    Darn! I guess I just need to go out and purchase myself an entirely new wardrobe if I even want to consider OCing. I guess that my wardrobe, which is mostly baggy clothes (not sagging pants that show my underwear, however) withloose fitting t-shirts, in addition to tattoo covered arms, carrying a full-size Glock 22,is not the image OCers should attempt to portray. Can't have anyone associating the "hip hop" look with OC, now can we?
    sounds like you and I are in the same boat Tatted. while I don't dress "hip hop", my tattoos, and my physical appearance gives off what has been described by others who were "concerned that I was giving off the wrong appearence" as Biker, roughneck, redneck and a few other things.

    personally, I say wear what you want. either way there will be people that won't accept the fact that you are carrying a gun. If I were looking for social acceptance, I would probably cover up my tattoos, be clean shaven, wear khakis and button up t-shirts ( with sleeves even) and of course, I wouldn't carry a gun.

    but I am not looking for social acceptance when I carry, I'm looking for personal defense.

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    Task Force 16 wrote:
    tarzan1888 wrote:
    KAHR54 wrote:
    I was at the Mall in the now famous Dickson City, Pa and looking around when I noticed Dickson City Police in uniform with sidearms and a little later I saw two dudes without jackets but wearing dress shirt with tie and slacks and high on hip holsters walking together. I assumed they were security. Maybe not.

    My reason for this post is this- If I were dressed in slacks, shirt and tie and OC...would I be less obvious/more accepted than if I were wearing baggy jeans and an old tee-shirt and OC. ??



    I'm just a stinkin' factory worker- would me and my Kahr stick out worse than some accountant and his S/W ??
    You, sir, are the backbone of America, but, unfortunately, a guy in a white shirt and tie, will not get the un-wanted attention you would get, if you are both open carrying.

    Tarzan
    Yeah, have you noticed that it doesn't appear to be the "IN" thing these days to have "backbone"?

    Or Dirt under your fingernails either....



    The less you look like you work for a living the better it is for you.



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    I dress 'Western'. Not B-movie dude style... but 'Vaquero'. I NEVER wear a straw hat... Straw is stock feed... not hat material. My boots are usually scuffed 'n covered in reddish Hemite dust as is my hat.'Sure sign I'm no 'townie'. My nylon holster 'n gunbelt are clean butwell used... 'n my 1911-A1 bears no fancy grips that scream 'Lookit my gun!' I carry cross-draw so it doesn't interfere with the seatbelt and is accessable (sitting) in my truck. It's also easier to draw than havin' yerpistol gripin yer armpit and requires no tie-down. Sometimes I'll just wear an open 'bucket' on my pants belt 'n drop the pistol in it. Less encumbrance. My fastest rig' of course is the buscadero holster 'n .45 SAA. I can pretty much clear leather... while cocking and put a round out (on target) before ya can blink. Problem is... rapidity of fire and capacity.... plus weight and encumbrance.

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    I think style does in fact make a difference, not just contrast to hide or show off the fact that there's a holstered weapon on your belt.

    Consider the following scenario: you're an average sheeple, not a blaring anti, but totally naive as to why anyone other than a police officer or other security-type person would need a gun on his hip.

    You're walking around your local mall in an OC-friendly state, and you stop into JC Penney. You're browsing, and notice a clean-shaven young man in his mid-to-late 20's, wearing a buttoned dress shirt and slacks, with a similarly-aged woman holding up a sweater to herself. Your eyes catch the glint of metalat his side,and you realize he's carrying a holstered gun on his hip. You're a little surprised, but the man and his S.O. don't seem to be causing any trouble; in fact they just helped a shorter old lady by taking down a sweater from a higher rack. You decide he must have some sort of government job or some other official reason to carry a gun, and go about your business.

    On your way out, you pass in front of the Hot Topic store and notice a young guy in JNCOs and an artfully-torn Marilyn Manson T-shirt, with his girlfriend wearing a fishnettop with what looks like a string bikini under it, and a skirt so low-cut, short-hemmed and tightly-stretchedthat one sneeze and her surprise is out. You almost mistook the guy for the girl at first since the girl has close-cut spikes while the guy has hair down to his shoulder blades. There's metal everywhere on both of them, from the spike rivets in his jeans to her 50 rings and bracelets to his myriad facial piercings, and something at the small of his back... What is that? It's hard to see against his black shirt... oh my goditsaGUN!!! OH MY GOD, CALL 911! THERE'S A GUY WITH A GUN HERE!

    This is just a simple and stereotypical example that illustrates that how you look, and therefore your first impression, is everything, especially where guns are concerned. The sad truth is that even most gun owners would be more than slightly uncomfortable at the thought of your stereotypical 20-something goth walking around with a Glock on his belt. The truth may be that that goth kid owns a record label and makes more money in a year than the JC Penney's pair will ever see (thus having a REALLY good practical reason to carry a gun around), but I doubt even learning that fact will make many sheeple less nervous about him carrying a gun. A normal carrying a gun, well that's diffferent. That's almost normal. If you live in a town with a big Army base nearby you'd walk up and thank the Penney's guy for his service. I read about encounters here and the half that don't start with "do you have a permit for that?" start with "excuse me, are you a cop?" People notice the gun, but if you look and act the part of a fine upstanding citizen, they assume you're supposed to have it for some reason. If you look like a member of one or more fringe subcultures, you begin having a problem looking like you have a socially-acceptable reason to carry a gun.



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    LMAO! That's true! I remember encountering some large evil lookin' biker dude packin' somethin' large and equally evil lookin'... He sez... "Hey bro... Rt 82 down this road?" (Yeah)"That a Colt?" (Nah... Springfield)"I gotta get me one of those... .45 right?" (Yeah)"This POS's a 9... I hate it. (pattin' his gun)" "My mom gave it to me... " (I wondered if that was just before she went to prison) 'Have a good one!" (Yeah... Back atcha!)

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