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    We have an organization that is writing a bill to present to the Texas legislature this January. We need members also. Go to thelinkbelow for more info.

    http://www.txcdl.org
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    rodbender wrote:
    We have an organization that is writing a bill to present to the Texas legislature this January. We need members also. Go to thelinkbelow for more info.

    http://www.txcdl.org
    your webmaster needs to fix the broken links on your homepage. it reflects very poorly on an organization that has multiple broken links on a home page.

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    ilbob wrote:
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    We have an organization that is writing a bill to present to the Texas legislature this January. We need members also. Go to thelinkbelow for more info.

    http://www.txcdl.org
    your webmaster needs to fix the broken links on your homepage. it reflects very poorly on an organization that has multiple broken links on a home page.
    It's a farely new site, but I will mention it to the webmaster.
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    I have signed the on line petition and sent the link to my friends. I think that this is one of the most important issues we will face in the next session of our legislature. As a business owner that travels all over Texas, I would feel more secure with my weapon at my side.

    To illustrate the need for open carry to pass, I offer the follow true story.

    I was calling on a business in Houston that was in a bad part of town. I mentioned to the plant manager that we were in a bad part of Houston. His reply was that all four supervisors had weapons and several of his machinists had CCL and carried in the shop. I could not have felt more safe than if I were in the middle of a police station.

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    with regards to writing a bill. Do we, as TXCDL, already have a state legislator willing to present this during the session? If so, who is that state representative?

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    DKSuddeth wrote:
    with regards to writing a bill. Do we, as TXCDL, already have a state legislator willing to present this during the session? If so, who is that state representative?
    I'm am not privy to that info. Gary posted saying that they would have a bill ready for the legislature by January. He knows more about that stuff than I do, so I don't question it. I assume hehas one, or is,at the veryleast, trying very hardto find one.



    Re: Open carry TEXAS
    by President on Sat Jun 28, 2008 12:22 pm

    We will have our bill ready to go for this session.
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    ilbob wrote:
    rodbender wrote:
    We have an organization that is writing a bill to present to the Texas legislature this January. We need members also. Go to thelinkbelow for more info.

    http://www.txcdl.org
    your webmaster needs to fix the broken links on your homepage. it reflects very poorly on an organization that has multiple broken links on a home page.
    Can you tell me which links. He wants to know. Some of the links he is still working on, so some may not be operable as yet.
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    rodbender wrote:
    ilbob wrote:
    rodbender wrote:
    We have an organization that is writing a bill to present to the Texas legislature this January. We need members also. Go to thelinkbelow for more info.

    http://www.txcdl.org
    your webmaster needs to fix the broken links on your homepage. it reflects very poorly on an organization that has multiple broken links on a home page.
    Can you tell me which links. He wants to know. Some of the links he is still working on, so some may not be operable as yet.
    Maybe I clicked on links to things that don't exist yet. Better instead of a link for non-existent stuff just put "coming soon".



    the FAQ link opens up a window that says:

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    Ditto for the "contact" link.



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    The web page doesn't even exist now and email is returned as undeliverable.

    I, recently, contacted my State Senator to have a portion of the State's right to bear arms provision repealed. It is the phrase that they used to usurp power to deny carrying in an unapproved manner.

    This lillte provision is what they claim allowed them to hamstring us into having to have a permit to carry.

    We are required, by Texas law, to come to the aid of any Peace Officer that asks or demands it. Are you going to respond if you aren't armed? I'm not, but, we can go to jail if we don't go to his aid. Most don't know that we also have the right to arrest.

    Think about it.

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    D_Joyce wrote:
    The web page doesn't even exist now and email is returned as undeliverable.

    I, recently, contacted my State Senator to have a portion of the State's right to bear arms provision repealed. It is the phrase that they used to usurp power to deny carrying in an unapproved manner.

    This lillte provision is what they claim allowed them to hamstring us into having to have a permit to carry.

    We are required, by Texas law, to come to the aid of any Peace Officer that asks or demands it. Are you going to respond if you aren't armed? I'm not, but, we can go to jail if we don't go to his aid. Most don't know that we also have the right to arrest.

    Think about it.
    I don't know what happened to txcdl.org. Mike here at OCDO is working on the final draft ofa bill to take care of it.

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    To take care of what? Is it more permission slips or are we going to be men and do what our God given right demands we do?

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    D_Joyce wrote:
    To take care of what? Is it more permission slips or are we going to be men and do what our God given right demands we do?
    To take care of the open carry bill, what else? No permits or licenses of any kind. Isn't that what we are trying to do here? You need to read a little more of the posts here.

    http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum51/15913.html
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    Tinkering with the law is a fool’s errand. Our problem lies with the Texas Constitution to whit;



    The Texas Constitution

    Article 1 - BILL OF RIGHTS

    Section 23 - RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS

    Every citizen shall have the right to keep and bear arms in the lawful defense of himself or the State; but the Legislature shall have power, by law, to regulate the wearing of arms, with a view to prevent crime.



    We must strike out “but the Legislature shall have power, by law, to regulate the wearing of arms, with a view to prevent crime.” because we all know that criminals do not obey the law.



    This is in direct conflict with the law the Legislatures have passed requiring us to come to the aid of Peace Officers when requested or required.



    CODE OF CRIMINAL PROCEDURE

    CHAPTER 2. GENERAL DUTIES OF OFFICERS


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    number of citizens of his county to overcome the resistance; and all persons summoned
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    Acts 1965, 59th Leg., vol. 2, p. 317, ch. 722.
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    Acts 1965, 59th Leg., vol. 2, p. 317, ch. 722.


    We, as citizens of the State of Texas, cannot discharge our lawful duties encumbered by the legislature’s penchant for unreasonable control.







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    While I agree with changing the Texas Constitution is the best and asure fired way to end the discussion, it takes a vote of the people to change it. We have a lot of pro 2A people in the legislature along with a pro 2A Governor. I think our best shot right now is a legislative approach. We can deal with the Texas Constitution later. I think if we can get someone from each branch to sponsor it, it has a very good chance of passing, and Rick Perry will most likely sign it.A vote of the people will bring out every antiout from underevery rock, crack, and crevicein the country to kill the change.
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    Most voters skip reading about constitutional amendments and go for the candidates. If it was put on the ballot to strike an unconstitutionalportion of the right to keep and bare arms statement, it would sail through before anyone even knew what it said.

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    Like I said

    A vote of the people will bring out every antiout from underevery rock, crack, and crevicein the country to kill the change.

    Edit: BTW, we would still have to get the majority of legislators in both houses to vote to put it on the ballot. We have no referendum in Texas.


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    I don't believe there are that many anti's in Texas.

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    They may not be here now, but they would be if you tried something like this.
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    I'm certain we are smart enough to handle them and send them packing.

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    The "power to regulate" is not "the power to prohibit". It is REASONABLE to regulate the wearing to some extent - to prevent crime.HOWEVER, the TX legislature has ABUSED it's constitutional power to regulate this RIGHT. A good casehas been already made that the Legislature of Texas CANNOT be entrusted with power to regulate A RIGHT.

    Criminal conduct is one thing the legislature can deal with - without any constitutional empowerment. Regulating a RIGHT - maybe not.

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    You don't "prevent" crime by regulating how something is worn or carried. A criminal won't tolerate it, why should You?

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    To amend the Constitution of the State of Texas you must have 2/3 of the members of each house vote to put the amendment to a vote, then 50% + 1 of the voters have to approve it.

    To pass a law you need50% + 1of the legislators of each house tovote for it, then our extremely pro gun Governor (Rick Perry)has to sign it.

    Which do you think is easier to get accomplished? I say we not even consider an amendment to the Constitutuion until we get the law passed.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Constitution

    Article 17: "Mode of amending the Constitution of this State"
    Article 17 consists of a single section that prescribes the procedure for amending the constitution. The legislature, by a two-thirds vote of the membership of each house, may propose amendments in either regular or special session. Amendments in a special session must relate to one of the purposes for which the governor has called the session. An amendment becomes part of the constitution when approved by a majority of the persons voting in a statewide election. The governor has no role in this process (s/he neither approves nor vetoes them). The constitution does not provide for amendment by initiative or any other means of amendment; only the Legislature may propose them.

    The section also prescribes specific details for notifying the public of elections to approve amendment. It requires that the legislature publish a notice in officially approved newspapers that briefly summarizes each amendment and shows how each amendment will be described on the ballot. It also requires that the full text of each amendment be posted at each county courthouse at least 50 days (but no sooner than 60 days) before the election.

    http://tlo2.tlc.state.tx.us/txconst/sections/cn001700-000100.html






    The Texas Constitution
    Article 17 - MODE OF AMENDING THE CONSTITUTION OF THIS STATE
    Section 1 - PROPOSED AMENDMENTS; PUBLICATION; SUBMISSION TO VOTERS; ADOPTION
    (a) The Legislature, at any regular session, or at any special session when the matter is included within the purposes for which the session is convened, may propose amendments revising the Constitution, to be voted upon by the qualified voters for statewide offices and propositions, as defined in the Constitution and statutes of this State. The date of the elections shall be specified by the Legislature. The proposal for submission must be approved by a vote of two-thirds of all the members elected to each House, entered by yeas and nays on the journals.
    (b) A brief explanatory statement of the nature of a proposed amendment, together with the date of the election and the wording of the proposition as it is to appear on the ballot, shall be published twice in each newspaper in the State which meets requirements set by the Legislature for the publication of official notices of offices and departments of the state government. The explanatory statement shall be prepared by the Secretary of State and shall be approved by the Attorney General. The Secretary of State shall send a full and complete copy of the proposed amendment or amendments to each county clerk who shall post the same in a public place in the courthouse at least 30 days prior to the election on said amendment. The first notice shall be published not more than 60 days nor less than 50 days before the date of the election, and the second notice shall be published on the same day in the succeeding week. The Legislature shall fix the standards for the rate of charge for the publication, which may not be higher than the newspaper's published national rate for advertising per column inch.
    (c) The election shall be held in accordance with procedures prescribed by the Legislature, and the returning officer in each county shall make returns to the Secretary of State of the number of legal votes cast at the election for and against each amendment. If it appears from the returns that a majority of the votes cast have been cast in favor of an amendment, it shall become a part of this Constitution, and proclamation thereof shall be made by the Governor. (Amended Nov. 7, 1972, and Nov. 2, 1999.)
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    Here is the original Constituion of the State of Texas adopted in 1845.

    http://tarlton.law.utexas.edu/consti...1845index.html

    This an excerpt of Article I, Section 13

    SEC. 13. Every citizen shall have the right to keep and bear arms in the lawful defence of himself of the State.

    The last Constitutional convention was in 1869 and is what we have today. If they hadn't messed it up in 1869 we would be OK today.




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    Rick Perr is pro gun just as long as he's told to be. He would veto this "law" in a shot if he believed it would elevate his presience to higher level handlers for higher office.

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    Guess I need to stop feeding the troll. Dang, you sure had a good disguise.
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