Bill in VA
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EFB16ACRX
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And its title 2, not class 3 by the way.
And its title 2, not class 3 by the way.
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Bill in VA wrote:
The CLEO that is assigned the task of signing is generally always going to be the Chief or Sheriff for the location you live in.
If you have both.... the Sheriff will normally have the task. And then..... he will assign someone to sign for him as he is too busy to do the back ground checks.
As for the remaining people that "can" sign in place of the traditional CLEO.... they are not really wanting to do this as they do not have easy access to do the checks and they are far to busy. Imagine if they had to process a dozen applications every week and do their normal work.
So.... everyone is encouraged to start with the Chief and Sheriff first.If you have a refusal... you go to the others. If enough others get bothered by this they can jump on the guy refusing so they do not have to do it. That is.... if they would actually sign for you in the first place.
Bill in VA wrote:
This true.....
The CLEO that is assigned the task of signing is generally always going to be the Chief or Sheriff for the location you live in.
If you have both.... the Sheriff will normally have the task. And then..... he will assign someone to sign for him as he is too busy to do the back ground checks.
As for the remaining people that "can" sign in place of the traditional CLEO.... they are not really wanting to do this as they do not have easy access to do the checks and they are far to busy. Imagine if they had to process a dozen applications every week and do their normal work.
So.... everyone is encouraged to start with the Chief and Sheriff first.If you have a refusal... you go to the others. If enough others get bothered by this they can jump on the guy refusing so they do not have to do it. That is.... if they would actually sign for you in the first place.
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I had a problem with the Chief of James City County when I wanted to acquire my first full auto. I made an appointment to meet with him and when I presented him the ATF forms, he blurted out, " Mister, you had better have a goddamned good reason why you want this weapon because I think that only police officers should own guns!"
I replied that I simply wanted to add them to my collection and that while I respected his right to his opinion, I chose to exersize my right to own that type of weapon under Virginia law and the Constitution of the United States.
He threw the papers back at me and said that he would never sign the ATF paperwork. I said, " Chief, if I'm not a convicted felon, you have to sign the papers. Ask the Commonwealth Attorney."
He took the papers back and said, "I'll do just that mister!" and ordered me out of his office.
The very next day his secretary called and basically "ordered" me to meet the Chief in his office that day.
He said," Look here mister. I'm only signing this because I have to but I want to put you on notice that I believe that only police should own guns and I'll be keeping a close eye on you."
I replied, "Thank you for your kind words and if you want to keep a close eye on me, you can come to the Norfolk PD K-9 Range every Tuesday and Thursday between the hours of 1300-1700. I teach CQB to the Norfolk Emergency Response Team at that location on those days. Oh yeah and BTW, I'll be finished with the second ghille suit for your sniper team shortly and I'm sure that it will enhance your SWAT Team's tactical effectiveness. Have a wonderful day!"
He had a very confused look on his face as I turned and walked out of his office...
I had a problem with the Chief of James City County when I wanted to acquire my first full auto. I made an appointment to meet with him and when I presented him the ATF forms, he blurted out, " Mister, you had better have a goddamned good reason why you want this weapon because I think that only police officers should own guns!"
I replied that I simply wanted to add them to my collection and that while I respected his right to his opinion, I chose to exersize my right to own that type of weapon under Virginia law and the Constitution of the United States.
He threw the papers back at me and said that he would never sign the ATF paperwork. I said, " Chief, if I'm not a convicted felon, you have to sign the papers. Ask the Commonwealth Attorney."
He took the papers back and said, "I'll do just that mister!" and ordered me out of his office.
The very next day his secretary called and basically "ordered" me to meet the Chief in his office that day.
He said," Look here mister. I'm only signing this because I have to but I want to put you on notice that I believe that only police should own guns and I'll be keeping a close eye on you."
I replied, "Thank you for your kind words and if you want to keep a close eye on me, you can come to the Norfolk PD K-9 Range every Tuesday and Thursday between the hours of 1300-1700. I teach CQB to the Norfolk Emergency Response Team at that location on those days. Oh yeah and BTW, I'll be finished with the second ghille suit for your sniper team shortly and I'm sure that it will enhance your SWAT Team's tactical effectiveness. Have a wonderful day!"
He had a very confused look on his face as I turned and walked out of his office...
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ODA 226 wrote:
As I have said many times, the police are not your friend when gun rights are involved. It has been my experience that the majority of police chiefs and sheriffs (and many of their subordinates) feel thatonly cops should have guns. Do the above remarks prove it to you yet?
ODA 226 wrote:
As I have said many times, the police are not your friend when gun rights are involved. It has been my experience that the majority of police chiefs and sheriffs (and many of their subordinates) feel thatonly cops should have guns. Do the above remarks prove it to you yet?
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Sheriff wrote:
Sheriff,
I was a Deputy Sheriff in a past life. I know the deal...
Sheriff wrote:
Sheriff,
I was a Deputy Sheriff in a past life. I know the deal...
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ODA 226 wrote:
I have repeatedly seen people claim the majority of cops are pro-gun.
I like the "past life" term. That is what I should start using! :lol:
ODA 226 wrote:
But.... can we ever convince people that we know the real deal?
I have repeatedly seen people claim the majority of cops are pro-gun.
I like the "past life" term. That is what I should start using! :lol:
Bill in VA
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Bill in VA wrote:
TheChief or Sheriff can check the local datafiles and may have some personal knowledgeof the applicant. The whole purpose of a CLEO singing is to be sure there is not some other reason besides a prior disqualifying arrest that may be a cause for concern.
The form itself states "I have no information indicating that the transferee will use the firearm or device described on this application for other than lawful purposes."
So unless you live in a small town where everyone knows you and no local check needs to be done to check you out... it would be hard for anyoneto just sign the form.
Bill in VA wrote:
It is not that the CLEO does the same background check as the FBI or even run the persons name in NCIC.
TheChief or Sheriff can check the local datafiles and may have some personal knowledgeof the applicant. The whole purpose of a CLEO singing is to be sure there is not some other reason besides a prior disqualifying arrest that may be a cause for concern.
The form itself states "I have no information indicating that the transferee will use the firearm or device described on this application for other than lawful purposes."
So unless you live in a small town where everyone knows you and no local check needs to be done to check you out... it would be hard for anyoneto just sign the form.