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MICHIGAN OPEN CARRY INFO HERE
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Venator
Anti-Saldana Freedom Fighter
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Gosirr
Regular Member
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First I would like to thank you all for the education. I'm new to the forum and I'm dissy with the welth of info I have gotten. I have sent the LEO info document to my police chief in Hazel Park,MI. (no responce) Was wondering if anyone has oc'd in Hazel Park yet? I still have the jitters about doing it alone my first time. MY background: ccw holder for about 6 yrs now. I carry cc most of the time -Glock 23.
First I would like to thank you all for the education. I'm new to the forum and I'm dissy with the welth of info I have gotten. I have sent the LEO info document to my police chief in Hazel Park,MI. (no responce) Was wondering if anyone has oc'd in Hazel Park yet? I still have the jitters about doing it alone my first time. MY background: ccw holder for about 6 yrs now. I carry cc most of the time -Glock 23.
SpringerXDacp
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Gosirr wrote:
Gosirr wrote:
Welcome to OCDO Gosirr. Can you attend the Lapeer County Picnic on Sunday, August 31? Also, the Charity Event on Saturday, September 13 (See Threads)?
Mike
Site Co-Founder
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SpringerXDacp wrote:
SpringerXDacp wrote:
What picnic is this? Dop we have a thread that explains all the upcoming events in MI?
SpringerXDacp
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Mike wrote:
Lapeer County Thread:
http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum30/15093.html
Charity Event Thread:
http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum30/12077.html
ETA: Not at this time Mike. Hopefully, in the near future, OC events can be organized in a earlier fashion to allow for an Event Schedule Thread,for example.
Mike wrote:
Lapeer County Thread:
http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum30/15093.html
Charity Event Thread:
http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum30/12077.html
ETA: Not at this time Mike. Hopefully, in the near future, OC events can be organized in a earlier fashion to allow for an Event Schedule Thread,for example.
Mike
Site Co-Founder
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SpringerXDacp wrote:
SpringerXDacp wrote:
Maybe Venator or somebody can create a "Michigan Events Schedule Thread," then i will sticky it, and Venator can update the initial post - just bare bones of who/what/where etc for each event - so much seems to be happnening in Michigan!
SpringerXDacp
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Mike wrote:
Mike wrote:
Sounds good to me. If Brian or someone else here (Mi) does not want to do it, I will.
nuxi
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Continuing on the firearms and universities topic:
It was mentioned that university policy is different from a law, but MCL has this gem regarding Michigan Tech's Board of Control:
"When the rules and regulations are adopted, posted on the premises to which they pertain, and also published in newspapers circulated in Baraga and Houghton counties, they shall constitute ordinances. Any violation of such ordinances is a misdemeanor, punishable by a fine of not more than $100.00 or imprisonment for not more than 60 days, or both."
Does anyone know what legally constitutes posting on a premises?
Continuing on the firearms and universities topic:
It was mentioned that university policy is different from a law, but MCL has this gem regarding Michigan Tech's Board of Control:
"When the rules and regulations are adopted, posted on the premises to which they pertain, and also published in newspapers circulated in Baraga and Houghton counties, they shall constitute ordinances. Any violation of such ordinances is a misdemeanor, punishable by a fine of not more than $100.00 or imprisonment for not more than 60 days, or both."
Does anyone know what legally constitutes posting on a premises?
northofnowhere
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nuxi,
Could you link me that mcl info, I was unable to find reference to it. I live in the area and my brother attends, so I open and conceal carry there frequently.
thanks
nuxi,
Could you link me that mcl info, I was unable to find reference to it. I live in the area and my brother attends, so I open and conceal carry there frequently.
thanks
Venator
Anti-Saldana Freedom Fighter
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Added a brief section on the use of deadly force in Michigan.
Added a brief section on the use of deadly force in Michigan.
nuxi
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MCL390.363
And two MTU pages covering their policy:
http://www.admin.mtu.edu/admin/policy/fac/5002.htm
http://www.admin.mtu.edu/admin/boc/policy/ch15/ch15p7.htm
I graduated two years ago, but I don't remember any signs posted on the premises as described in MCL 390.363. So I'm curious what counts as posting on the premises.
MCL390.363
And two MTU pages covering their policy:
http://www.admin.mtu.edu/admin/policy/fac/5002.htm
http://www.admin.mtu.edu/admin/boc/policy/ch15/ch15p7.htm
I graduated two years ago, but I don't remember any signs posted on the premises as described in MCL 390.363. So I'm curious what counts as posting on the premises.
northofnowhere
Campaign Veteran
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I have looked for signage on the dorms and public safety building, but have not found any. I am a volunteer fireman, my chief happens to be a public safety officer there as well. He is well aware of my open carrying as there is usually an empty holster on my at a fire call, lol. half a mile to get to the firehall at a nice rate of speed through town streets, easier to remove and glove box the weapon without the holster.
Anyways, i will ask him and ask if there was ever any talk that it is not a legal policy you can enforce on the general public, as there is no postings regarding it as required by law. Kinda interesting twist, and I think I may have been happier not knowing this.
Alas, it doesnt sound like parking areas are exempt either. On top of that, the reason for the policy is to keep the campus safe. It clearly hasn't helped with the letter threats or bombs they found on campus some years back. perhaps they should make a ordinance insisting all legally allowed to students carry a gun instead.
I have looked for signage on the dorms and public safety building, but have not found any. I am a volunteer fireman, my chief happens to be a public safety officer there as well. He is well aware of my open carrying as there is usually an empty holster on my at a fire call, lol. half a mile to get to the firehall at a nice rate of speed through town streets, easier to remove and glove box the weapon without the holster.
Anyways, i will ask him and ask if there was ever any talk that it is not a legal policy you can enforce on the general public, as there is no postings regarding it as required by law. Kinda interesting twist, and I think I may have been happier not knowing this.
Alas, it doesnt sound like parking areas are exempt either. On top of that, the reason for the policy is to keep the campus safe. It clearly hasn't helped with the letter threats or bombs they found on campus some years back. perhaps they should make a ordinance insisting all legally allowed to students carry a gun instead.
nuxi
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Well just remember that dorms and classrooms are covered under CPL law. You can't concealed carry there. Not sure if you have a CPL or not. I just got mine.
I might be up that way this weekend, so I'd be interested to know the answer. Although since I spend most of the time drunk off my ass when I visit, I probably won't bother bringing up a firearm.
Well just remember that dorms and classrooms are covered under CPL law. You can't concealed carry there. Not sure if you have a CPL or not. I just got mine.
I might be up that way this weekend, so I'd be interested to know the answer. Although since I spend most of the time drunk off my ass when I visit, I probably won't bother bringing up a firearm.
Venator
Anti-Saldana Freedom Fighter
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Can we take the campus talk to this thread http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum30/9853.html
Much of campus policies, etc., have been discussed. This tread is just for new people getting initial information on OC.
Can we take the campus talk to this thread http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum30/9853.html
Much of campus policies, etc., have been discussed. This tread is just for new people getting initial information on OC.
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I bought my first pistol today (a Taurus 1911-AlL, and she's beautiful), and I've been looking for information on Michigan's open carry laws. This was a great help, but I'm still a tad confused.
If you can only lawfully transport your pistol under the above circumstances, how are you supposed to get your pistol to a place where you'd like to open carry? Say I want to open carry in my local Wal-mart, but I need to drive there. Would it be unlawful to transport my pistol to Wal-mart?
I bought my first pistol today (a Taurus 1911-AlL, and she's beautiful), and I've been looking for information on Michigan's open carry laws. This was a great help, but I'm still a tad confused.
If you can only lawfully transport your pistol under the above circumstances, how are you supposed to get your pistol to a place where you'd like to open carry? Say I want to open carry in my local Wal-mart, but I need to drive there. Would it be unlawful to transport my pistol to Wal-mart?
Mike
Site Co-Founder
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Day wrote:
Day wrote:
I think you are conflating restrictions on "carrying a handgun" with "transporting" a handgun. 18 USC 926 A provides place to place immunity as you presumably know already; reagrdless, what does full text of Michigan statute say on this subject?
ghostrider
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Mike wrote:
The MSP website has taken the word "includes", and changed it to "defines".
Mike wrote:
The statute refers to what are inclusions of lawful purpose. It makes no such definition.
http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(hpw2rw45zqrjb245rnbrrtat))/mileg.aspx?page=getobject&objectname=mcl-750-231a&query=on&highlight=pistol%20AND%20en%20AND%20route
The MSP website has taken the word "includes", and changed it to "defines".
DrTodd
Michigan Moderator
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Mike wrote:
Yes, it appears that the MSP page did change the wording of the law. The law gives examples but seems to allow that there are more lawful purposes than listed whereas the MSP page is limiting the lawful purposes portion to those listed. This is much like the MSP's Pistol Free Areas webpage which USED to say that CPL holders could not posses a firearm in the listed areas, but now does say "concealed" pistols.
Mike wrote:
18 USC 926 Pertains to the "interstate" transportation of a firearm, not the "intrastate" transportation of firearms; BIG difference as far as the law is concerned. States would need to interpret through the courts. New Jersey and Illinois communities, as examples, are known for citing people who transport because of the inter/intra issue.
Yes, it appears that the MSP page did change the wording of the law. The law gives examples but seems to allow that there are more lawful purposes than listed whereas the MSP page is limiting the lawful purposes portion to those listed. This is much like the MSP's Pistol Free Areas webpage which USED to say that CPL holders could not posses a firearm in the listed areas, but now does say "concealed" pistols.
Mike
Site Co-Founder
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DrTodd wrote:
DrTodd wrote:
No, read the text of the statute - it provides place to place immunity.