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    I would like to plan a outing/picnic/meeting with people that open carry in my area. The last coment in this section was in april-Anybody in nebraska open carry? I do. Because where I work you cannot CCW.

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    artedna wrote:
    I would like to plan a outing/picnic/meeting with people that open carry in my area. The last coment in this section was in april-Anybody in nebraska open carry? I do. Because where I work you cannot CCW.
    Great response Nebraska - really standing up for your rights and getting involved.

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    I open carry all the time too.

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    Most of us out here in the middle of the country are more sensable than to try and have a get together for a picnic to express a right that we know will offend others. Personally I look at it this way. I have the right to free speach but I also have a right not to speak when it's the appropriate. That doesn't mean that I'm willing to give up my right or let them slip away. Giving my opinion may often be imflamitory to some so I choose not to unless I feel the NEED. Personally I don't feel a need to strap on my pistol and go to a park for a picnic with a bunch of other folks doing the same just to show everyone they can do it. Personally I think doing so is silly and counter productive.



    Treat our open carry laws with respect, use them appropriately and why in the world would you want to draw that kind of attention to yourself when you don't need to. Be thankful open carry is legal and please respect it and those around you. If you want to make a statement do so on something that is being wrongfully taken away from us not on something that is rightfully ours and not being fooled with.

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    redhawk wrote:
    Most of us out here in the middle of the country are more sensable than to try and have a get together for a picnic to express a right that we know will offend others. Personally I look at it this way. I have the right to free speach but I also have a right not to speak when it's the appropriate. That doesn't mean that I'm willing to give up my right or let them slip away. Giving my opinion may often be imflamitory to some so I choose not to unless I feel the NEED. Personally I don't feel a need to strap on my pistol and go to a park for a picnic with a bunch of other folks doing the same just to show everyone they can do it. Personally I think doing so is silly and counter productive.

    Treat our open carry laws with respect, use them appropriately and why in the world would you want to draw that kind of attention to yourself when you don't need to. Be thankful open carry is legal and please respect it and those around you. If you want to make a statement do so on something that is being wrongfully taken away from us not on something that is rightfully ours and not being fooled with
    redhawk Read all of my reply or none of it.
    It is an Open Letter to all Nebraskans

    You are welcome to express your words here but choose them wisely.

    You speak for "Most of us out here in the middle of the country" by what authority? Are you a high level elected official representing what % of the popular vote? You are only more vocal than some and that is my embarrassment regarding the people in my home state of Nebraska right now.

    You would do well to read of events, laws and loss of 2nd Amendment rights beyond your back yard (even within your home state - where ever that is) before you make such sweeping generalizations.

    Since you have given your opinion, I must presume that you have a "NEED." What might that be, sir? We respect your right to not open carry or for that matter to not carry a defensive tool at all. Why would you not respect even support our right to the embrace that which the 2nd Amendment and the United States Supreme Court confirms is our right?

    Which other rights do you think we should express more carefully if we offend or inflame someone? There are quite a few from which to choose - pick one.

    You tell me how you "feel" but not what the law of our land says. I have the absolute, God given right, to defend myself and my family by what ever means necessary. Beyond that, no tool that I might possess is any kind of threat to you or others. That is what I think - that is the truth I speak.

    Treat our open carry laws with respect? Which ones. sir? The ones in New York, Chicago, Omaha, Denver, Washington D.C., Hawaii or do you mean the ones in Alaska, New Hamshire, Virginia? I somehow do not believe you mean the ones delineated in the Bill of Rights.

    We are making a statement on something that is and has been "taken away from us" and "being fooled with"! I imagine that it is our growing dissatisfaction and refusal to quietly acquiesce to the old ways that bothers you the most - we are winning a majority of the time. Our numbers are growing to such a degree that you found a "NEED" to express yourself as you have.

    The fact that many of us can open carry is not your point - I understand that. Why do we have meet ups, picnics, dinners and the like? Because we enjoy sharing and meeting with other people in a quiet social environment. Because we wish to educate and inform other people about the legality of what we do and by demonstrating that we are no more of threat than their best friend.

    Why do we rally and become proactive when we perceive the need? Because something is "wrongfully (being) taken away from us...... that is rightfully ours and.... being fooled with"!

    It's possible that you live out in the wide open spaces or a sparcely populated town in the western a part of Nebraska that I so love - I have relatives in Alliance, Ne. If that be the case, I think I am envious. A majority of the people in this great land of ours, live in densly populated urban cities and disarmed are victims waiting to happen. I hope you never have the need to defend your wife or daughter from a vicious assault, ever. I mean that.

    We have in our OCDO community people that have been beaten severely, raped and had family members murdered. What would you tell the them? That you don't feel they have the need?

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    Man you are a cranky bugger aren't you.



    I was going to let this slide but I don't thing so any more.

    I live in Nebraska and like our oc laws. They are there for a reason and I don't plan on raising a stink just to raise a stink. How dare you tell the citizens of Nebraska what they should and should not do when you won't even let a Nebraska citizen express an opinion on the subject matter. Quite frankly I for one (I won't mention most of us) figured out long ago how to think for ourselves and don't need anyone from either coast telling us what to think or how to go about our business.

    We have oc here and we respect it. We treat it like it is something special and NOT a political statement. If we choose to oc we live it, we don't have a picnic and get in somebodies face about it. They wear it like any other tool they carry including the pliers on their belt and the buck knife in their pocket. They don't oc to cause awareness, to prove a point or to make a statement.



    Right now it is my opinion that the majority of legitimate gun owners in our fine state are aware of the oc carry laws. It's the non gun owners and the not so legit gun owners that aren't aware of it. It doesn't bother us that they aren't aware of it because then they aren't trying to take it away. I hope you enjoy your picnic. As for me I'll be out behind the house plinking at cans with a new handload I've worked up.



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    redhawk wrote:
    Man you are a cranky bugger aren't you.
    Yes sir, I can be. Not normally so though, in fact I'm told that I am rather genial.



    I was going to let this slide but I don't thing so any more. Ok let it rip.

    I live in Nebraska and like our oc laws. They are there for a reason and I don't plan on raising a stink just to raise a stink. Nor do I.

    How dare you tell the citizens of Nebraska what they should and should not do when you won't even let a Nebraska citizen express an opinion on the subject matter. No one, least of all me, is disallowing you to express your opinion and, sir, I "dare" because I am a free man - a citizen not unlike yourself. Would you restrict that right also?

    Quite frankly I for one (I won't mention most of us) figured out long ago how to think for ourselves and don't need anyone from either coast telling us what to think or how to go about our business. You express your open minded attitude much more eloquently than I could.

    We have oc here and we respect it. For you personally, it works. Yet you show a stark lack of concern for those left to fend for themselves.

    We treat it like it is something special and NOT a political statement. Your choice surely.

    If we choose to oc we live it, we don't have a picnic and get in somebodies face about it. We have picnics and don't get in anybodies face about it.

    They wear it like any other tool they carry including the pliers on their belt and the buck knife in their pocket. So we wear it like any other tool because that's what it is.

    They don't oc to cause awareness, to prove a point or to make a statement. We do, but they are ancillary benefits to the right of self protection. Those are others of our great rights - those of free speech, of redress, of petition and of assembly - that you would seem to hold in low esteem when the words and actions are not parallel to your own.

    Right now it is my opinion that the majority of legitimate gun owners in our fine state are aware of the oc carry laws. That, sir, I sincerely doubt. Do you have a cite/study to support this singular opinion.

    It's the non gun owners and the not so legit gun owners that aren't aware of it.
    Now the numbers skyrocket in Ne., I would guess.
    It doesn't bother us that they aren't aware of it because then they aren't trying to take it away. It was never theirs to "take away" and yes they have limited it - in some cases severly so.

    I hope you enjoy your picnic. I did and I will again. BTW - I OC 24/7.

    As for me I'll be out behind the house plinking at cans with a new handload I've worked up. Again, I wish I could join you. Finding any place to shoot in or near a large city is a definite problem for many.
    Are you familiar with the banner slogan of OCDO? It reads, "A Right Unexercised Is A Right Lost." That right does not start nor stop at a county or state line.

    At the risk of losing you to frustration or loss of patience with me, I am going to give you a short famous poem to read. If you have seen it before, please read it again.

    First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out--
    because I was not a communist;
    Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out--
    because I was not a socialist;
    Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out--
    because I was not a trade unionist;
    Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out--
    because I was not a Jew;
    Then they came for me--
    and there was no one left to speak out for me.

    So think nothing different because they are not bothering you.

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    I tell you what. Lets agree that we both support the same foundations. Our methods may be different but the concepts are the same.



    I'll be anxious to see how Nebraska and Virginia vote in the election ie "Gun ban Obama" or McCain. After that you are more than welcome to explain to me how we are dropping the ball as well as how well the good state of Virginia is doing.



    I understand the whole deal of accepting other states CCW holders. Please understand the many of us gun owners in Nebraska were not too hip on the CCW to begin with. Sounds strange until you understand that our oc laws were actually pretty cool until out of state entities really started pushing for ccw. With our old laws ANYBODY could oc and if stopped by local LE and ticketed yes the weapon would be confiscated and yes we would have a court date. It's been 10 years or so since I heard of one of thes and the long and short of it was this. The court had to prove criminal intent or should I say the weapon was intended to commit a crime. Yes the defendeant had to hire a lawyer which in the case I am framilliar with cost him about $125 plus court costs.



    Now with CCW we are much more on the radar and everyone assumes you must have CCW to carry at all which requires $100 and a class etc. In the long run for a not so wealthy population it cost more and has much more headache. As I understand it in many cases prior to CCW LE was much freer to use discression when someone was caught with a concealed weapon. Some of us don't like our gov't telling us what we can and can not do in the area of personal freedoms. Sometimes if it isn't broke don't fix it. That doesn't mean we are complaicent and it doesn't mean we are sliding backwards as well. Sometimes whey your forge onward and upward you put yourself and greater risk for a faster and deeper fall. I just don't feel that stirring the hornets nest when you don't need to is often the better way to go until the hornets start surroundyou anyway.

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    I tell you what. Lets agree that we both support the same foundations. Our methods may be different but the concepts are the same. I can accept that.


    I'll be anxious to see how Nebraska and Virginia vote in the election ie "Gun ban Obama" or McCain. After that you are more than welcome to explain to me how we are dropping the ball as well as how well the good state of Virginia is doing. Don't blame me or credit me with how Virginia chooses to go. Am I doing my part - yes to some degree - not enough money to do what I might like to do. Obviously, I oppose any Obamination.


    I understand the whole deal of accepting other states CCW holders. Please understand the many of us gun owners in Nebraska were not too hip on the CCW to begin with. Actually, I think that CCW laws are or should be unnecessary but that is another issue.

    Sounds strange until you understand that our oc laws were actually pretty cool until out of state entities really started pushing for ccw. With our old laws ANYBODY could oc and if stopped by local LE and ticketed yes the weapon would be confiscated and yes we would have a court date. It's been 10 years or so since I heard of one of thes and the long and short of it was this. The court had to prove criminal intent or should I say the weapon was intended to commit a crime. Yes the defendeant had to hire a lawyer which in the case I am framilliar with cost him about $125 plus court costs.
    http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum35/4040.html
    Even the good ol' days had their problems but I do remember shooting on my HS rifle team on the range that was in the school.


    Now with CCW we are much more on the radar and everyone assumes you must have CCW to carry at all which requires $100 and a class etc. In the long run for a not so wealthy population it cost more and has much more headache. As I understand it in many cases prior to CCW LE was much freer to use discression when someone was caught with a concealed weapon. Some of us don't like our gov't telling us what we can and can not do in the area of personal freedoms.
    Discression is not my idea of equality but I understand you. Personal/indivdual freedoms should be "hands off" definitely.

    Sometimes if it isn't broke don't fix it. It is broken and fragmented in tiny pieces otherwise we would both enjoy the same unencumbered rights.

    That doesn't mean we are complaicent (Yes you are but I'll be nice.)and it doesn't mean we are sliding backwards as well. Sometimes whey your forge onward and upward you put yourself and greater risk for a faster and deeper fall. Hasn't been the case. Good people doing nothing has gotten us where we are. I'll take the 1790's gun laws in a heart beat!

    I just don't feel that stirring the hornets nest when you don't need to is often the better way to go until the hornets start surroundyou anyway. We did not stir the nest but we have been "stung" by the restrictions, harrassments and illegal arrests - have great concern for what might be on the horizon after the elections too.
    Enjoy and have a good day,sir. Shoot well and straight in all things in life.

    Gotta go take care of a minor problem with the pick-up.

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    Your comments have been an "open letter to all Nebraskans" and Great Response Nebraska really standing up for your rights and getting involved. It sounds to me like you are more than happy to hold us accountable but your not willing to take any credit for how your state goes in the election. I for one will hold you accountable and could care less about your "actions" but will be more concerned about the results. You can rant all you want about people getting involved but if you aren't making a difference, if you are not making an adequate difference or if you are making an negative impact then maybe you should consider making a change in your tactics. You dear sir are just as accountable for how your state swings as we are for how our state swings.

    I realize that personal attacks are not good and should not be tolerated however I must call a spade a spade. You choose to hold everyone else accountable for what happens in their state. Should you not also hold yourself accountable on how your state swings in the upcoming election. Not doing so is a cop out IMO and sets off my BS alert.

    I travel my entire state. In the past 2 weeks I've been in every corner from South Sioux City to Scottsbluff, down to McCook and darn neared shooting distance of the KS/IA border. Clean up your own state then tell me how to run mine. We are working on things here and the reciprocity with other states is coming slowly. IMO if you wish to slow that process down then have an OC picnic in a public park in Lincoln or Omaha. Not only will it slow it down but it will bring it to a screaching halt.

    Just remember that Patton may have done his thing to stop the Germans but Reaganbroughtdown the iron curtain and nearly bankrupted theSoviet Union without ever firing a single shot. So far the Reagan approach is working for us.





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    I did not ask for a meeting or outing/picnic in central nebraska to start a huptido-Hell we could all come to my home and do a pot luck/barbacue. Then after just b/s or use my small range-p/s I live in the country on 6 acres.

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    artedna wrote:
    I did not ask for a meeting or outing/picnic in central nebraska to start a huptido-Hell we could all come to my home and do a pot luck/barbacue. Then after just b/s or use my small range-p/s I live in the country on 6 acres.
    Some people are of a mind that only their way of expressing their rights is acceptable. Sometimes their slaps and slurs are straight from the vocabulary of those completely opposed. Oh well. They don't always get it that we would benfit from accepting the differences and joining together.

    Do what you do and good luck with it. Sounds like fun.

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    Grapeshot wrote:
    artedna wrote:
    I did not ask for a meeting or outing/picnic in central nebraska to start a huptido-Hell we could all come to my home and do a pot luck/barbacue. Then after just b/s or use my small range-p/s I live in the country on 6 acres.
    Some people are of a mind that only their way of expressing their rights is acceptable. Sometimes their slaps and slurs are straight from the vocabulary of those completely opposed. Oh well. They don't always get it that we would benfit from accepting the differences and joining together.

    Do what you do and good luck with it. Sounds like fun.

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    Great response Nebraska - really standing up for your rights and getting involved.

    Yata hey



    And your point?

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    redhawk wrote:
    Grapeshot wrote:
    artedna wrote:
    I did not ask for a meeting or outing/picnic in central nebraska to start a huptido-Hell we could all come to my home and do a pot luck/barbacue. Then after just b/s or use my small range-p/s I live in the country on 6 acres.
    Some people are of a mind that only their way of expressing their rights is acceptable. Sometimes their slaps and slurs are straight from the vocabulary of those completely opposed. Oh well. They don't always get it that we would benfit from accepting the differences and joining together.

    Do what you do and good luck with it. Sounds like fun.

    Yata hey
    Great response Nebraska - really standing up for your rights and getting involved.

    Yata hey



    And your point?
    Great distortion of comments out of context and thread Redhawk. Apparently you do not think readers are intelligent enough to see through the smoke for themselves.

    IMO - Sorry to say but your attitude places you in the middle of "with friends like you, who needs enemies."

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    Whatever. You disrespect every person in the state of Nebraska for not getting involved in a picnic and imply they they don't stand up for their rights. Then you tell everyone that everybody else is bad because they get after people who do things diffrently.Sounds pretty much in context to me!

    IMO youcalled out every Nebraskan for not taking the actions youwish them to take. Your rants won't change anything. As I stated earlier.Lets see how you have done in your fine state after the elections. Lets see if NE or VA goeswith gun ban Obama. You may find that we've got our act together and your fine state has farther to go than do us poor humble Nebraskans who don't stand up for their rights.



    The only smoke on this thread is beligerent people acting beligerant under the discuise of being political. If you wish to act like a fool then do so but please don't for asecond think that you are doing it for my second amendment rights.



    Again drop me a note after the elections and then tell me how much you've done for your second amendment rights and I'll tell you what I andthe people of Nebaska have done forours. If we end upvoting forgun ban Obama then you cancall us out. See youafter the poles, you and your smoke. Show me results, I could care less about your actions.

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    We could both be a lot happier if the National Popular Vote were in place.

    http://www.nationalpopularvote.com/

    Yata ehy
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    I grew up in Nebraska on a farm. I learned to shoot rifles and shotguns as a youth, probably at 10 or a little older. I used to hunt birds, rabbits, and squirrels, but never stuck with hunting. I departed the state in 81 to join the Navy, then after being stuck in CA for 4.5 years after schools, moved to Nevada.

    Grapeshot, more allies are created with pleasantries than with righteous indignation.

    redhawk, a Right not Exercised IS a Right soon to be lost.

    I would enjoy moving back to Nebraska someday, but it sure is nowhere near as "gun-friendly" as Nevada. If the area is such that open carry earns a ride in a police car, SOMETHING IS WRONG! Either accept it, or work to change it, but it smacks of a "Terry stop" gone wrong. If they have no evidence of a crime, they cannot detain you. If you are removed from where police locate you to speak to you about an OC, you are "detained," and actually "under arrest." http://www.expertlaw.com/library/cri...ice_stops.html

    Here is a link to the local club I am now a member of, and webmaster for.
    http://www.stillwaterfirearms.org/
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