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    So, here in Utah, one may OC on foot, but upon entering a vehicle, the gun must be (legally) unloaded and 'cased'. So being new to OC in the first place, I made the smart move of trying this all out on a family moving day (thankfully not mine!) using my backpack as the case. In and out, in and out. What a bother. So I thunk some, sitting in my Taurus, and this is what popped out.

    I got a metal CD case with a hinged lid, cut the disc sleeves out of the box and stuck some velcro on the bottom so it wouldn't slide around. When I'm not in the car, the box stays open, showing anyone looking in that it's truly an empty box. When I get into the car, the gun goes into the conveniently located box, and I flip the lid closed. To anyone looking in then, it's simply a CD case.

    Whaddya think? Terrific idea or "whut wuz u tinkin' ya dummy?"

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    Interesting....

    You might even be able to fit a lock hinge on there.

    Can we get some pictures, please?
    Why open carry? Because 1911 > 911.

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    Hope this helps a tad....

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    ...and this

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    Why not just get a concealed carry permit? With the permit, you'll be able to OC with a round in the chamber and carry on your person while in a vehicle.

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    It does not have to be in a case here in Utah. It either needs to be cased or clearly visible.

    I put my XD on the little shelf beneath the guage cluster.

    The only time you need to have it in a case is when you are going through a school zone.



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    The securely encased thing is to avoid unintentional concealment, or like Jeremy said, school zones.

    (b) A dangerous weapon shall not be considered a concealed dangerous weapon if it is a firearm which is unloaded and is securely encased.
    (18) "Securely encased" means not readily accessible for immediate use, such as held in a gun rack, or in a closed case or container, whether or not locked, or in a trunk or other storage area of a motor vehicle, not including a glove box or console box.
    Also, a non-Utah resident is exempt from Utah weapons laws if the firearm is securely encased and unloaded. (No round chambered)


    76-10-523. Persons exempt from weapons laws.

    (1) This part and Title 53, Chapter 5, Part 7, Concealed Weapon Act, do not apply to any of the following:
    (a) a United States marshal;
    (b) a federal official required to carry a firearm;
    (c) a peace officer of this or any other jurisdiction;
    (d) a law enforcement official as defined and qualified under Section 53-5-711;
    (e) a judge as defined and qualified under Section 53-5-711;
    (f) a common carrier while engaged in the regular and ordinary transport of firearms as merchandise; or
    (g) a nonresident traveling in or through the state, provided that any firearm is:
    (i) unloaded; and

    (ii) securely encased as defined in Section76-10-501.
    (2) The provisions of subsection 76-10-504(1)(a), (1)(b), and Section 76-10-505 do not apply to any person to whom a permit to carry a concealed firearm has been issued:
    (a) pursuant to Section 53-5-704; or
    (b) by another state or county.

    "An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life." Robert A. Heinlein

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    tattedupboy wrote:
    Why not just get a concealed carry permit?* With the permit, you'll be able to OC with a round in the chamber and carry on your person while in a vehicle.*
    Though it would be simpler for the now, it's the iconoclast in me that resists the CCP. A license is, by definition, permission to do that which is otherwise deemed illegal by an entity claiming a power which the people cannot rightly transfer to it. What part of the word 'infringed' is not understood by the lawmakers? What could be a more basic human right than unhindered and unencumbered property ownership and means to defend oneself? This is the essential stuff of the recent DC court decision as well as the crux of the matter at both Lexington and Concord.

    As you can see by my box-in-the-car thing, I want to avoid unnecessary waves with the powers that be. I now enjoy an extra legal marriage and see no reason to get a license to exercise one more human right.

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    Ebeye wrote:
    tattedupboy wrote:
    Why not just get a concealed carry permit? With the permit, you'll be able to OC with a round in the chamber and carry on your person while in a vehicle.
    Though it would be simpler for the now, it's the iconoclast in me that resists the CCP. A license is, by definition, permission to do that which is otherwise deemed illegal by an entity claiming a power which the people cannot rightly transfer to it. What part of the word 'infringed' is not understood by the lawmakers? What could be a more basic human right than unhindered and unencumbered property ownership and means to defend oneself? This is the essential stuff of the recent DC court decision as well as the crux of the matter at both Lexington and Concord.

    As you can see by my box-in-the-car thing, I want to avoid unnecessary waves with the powers that be. I now enjoy an extra legal marriage and see no reason to get a license to exercise one more human right.
    You may want to rethink this position if the time ever comes that you need to use your weapon. As it stands right now, you are not allowed to carry with a round chambered, nor are you allowed to carry on your person while in a vehicle. Yes, it sucks, but if getting permission fromt the government is what I need to do to legally do this, then so be it. At least you'll be able to carry with a roundchambered. Better safe than sorry.

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    You know, the way I carry my firearm in the car actually makes it more quickly accessible, so that isn't so much of a concern, but I agree, if the OP can they should get their permit.

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    Ebeye wrote:
    tattedupboy wrote:
    Why not just get a concealed carry permit? With the permit, you'll be able to OC with a round in the chamber and carry on your person while in a vehicle.
    Though it would be simpler for the now, it's the iconoclast in me that resists the CCP. A license is, by definition, permission to do that which is otherwise deemed illegal by an entity claiming a power which the people cannot rightly transfer to it. What part of the word 'infringed' is not understood by the lawmakers? What could be a more basic human right than unhindered and unencumbered property ownership and means to defend oneself? This is the essential stuff of the recent DC court decision as well as the crux of the matter at both Lexington and Concord.

    As you can see by my box-in-the-car thing, I want to avoid unnecessary waves with the powers that be. I now enjoy an extra legal marriage and see no reason to get a license to exercise one more human right.
    I understand your point on not liking the idea of a Conceal Carry Permit.

    Where I am coming to the disconnect is the choice not to get it anyway.

    I am going on the premise that you want to follow the law, as you are taking the steps to meet the requirements by placing your firearm in the case.

    I will go a bit further, and draw from the statements above that you don't agree with having to do all of these inane steps to comply with the law.

    However, in doing so, you are "getting permission" to do something (carry the firearm in your car) that you should not have to have permission for.


    I don't mean this post to be a criticism. I just think you should re-evaluate your position.

    Either don't "get permission", and do as you see is your right, and ignore the law, or "get some more permission", and carry within the confines of the law and how you want to, at the same time.

    Again, I am not trying to flame you. It is hard to have a discussion using only text, as sometimes the intent gets lost, as there is no inflection, etc.


    I am in a similar position living here in Indiana. In order to carry a pistol at all, you have to get a carry permit. This isn't only a conceal carry, this is a any-carry-at-all permit, meaning you have to have it to leave your property with a pistol, whether it is open, concealed, loaded, unloaded, taped to your forehead, whatever.

    I don't agree with it, but my desire to conform with the law (and keep my livelihood; I work in the casino industry, and can not have a criminal conviction to maintain my gaming license) exceeds my desire to carry as my rights state I should be able to (unlicensed).



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