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    At about 1 PM today a friend of mine and I were coming back from Meridian and decided to stop into the Lee Reed store as my buddy is looking for an engagement ring.

    Both of us were wearing jeans and button up shirts with holstered sidearms on strong side. I was carrying a Glock 19 in a Serpa holster and he was wearing an XD 9mm.

    As we entered the store we were greeted by a salesman who started to show us some rings that my friend might like. After about 5 mins we were approached by the store's security officer, a man named Mike. He asked us about our sidearms to which we responded that both of us carry for personal protection and as a way to exercise our rights.

    After speaking with him for several mins he left to go talk to the manager about us and we continued browsing with the store employee.

    A couple mins later the manager (Sarah Read) came out and introduced herself to myself and my friend. She then said that our firearms were 'making people uncomfortable' and that she would like us to remove them from her store.

    At this point I began talking to her and expressed that though it is indeed the right of a business to refuse service, I found it dissapointing that paying customers were being turned away simply because we were exercising our rights in a lawful manner. After several mins of back and forth talking with her, it came to the conclusion that Lee Reed's policy (due to Sarah making the decision) is that they will not allow firearms in their store nor will they do business with anyone carrying a firearm.

    We then turned and left the building and the security guard escorted us out. He then stopped us after we left the store and started talking to us. He told us that because he had been a cop for 34 years that we didn't need firearms in his store. I told him that if Lee Reed chooses to not do business with gun owners that is their perogative.

    At this point, Mike became visibly angry, pointed his finger in my face and said "That is a lie!" My friend and I then responded that it was not a lie as he and Sarah had both now told us that they would not do business with us if we had guns in the store. I then informed him that I was a member on OCDO and that one of our functions is to keep tabs on local businesses and to maintain Do Not Patronize registries.

    My friend was prepared to spend over $2,500 on jewelry there and we were turned away. If you plan on not shopping at Lee Read due to their firearm policy, call up the store and let them know of your displeasure. We want them to know how much money they are going to lose.

    Lee Read Store: (208) 376-8800

    Ask to speak to Sarah Read and tell her that you have been made aware that Lee Read Diamonds does not support or wish for the business of Idaho Gun Owners.


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    Good info to know - someday down the road.

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    Copy that, thanks for the heads up.

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    Good to know, but I never want to marry, or have any desire to get married. so they automatically lose out. only thing I like is nice watches.

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    all i have to say is my wifes gonna be mad when I DONT take her to Lee read...lol

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    I am lazy so i went online and found the contact webaddress to submit comments.
    here is the link.

    www.leereadjewelers.com/contactus.php

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    Hiredgun30 wrote:
    all i have to say is my wifes gonna be mad when I DONT take her to Lee read...lol
    Ooooo...a Glock with Hogue grips.

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    I went the anonymous label method. They are short, get the point across, and hard to remove.



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    i like my alternative to hogue grips, i go down to the local skate shop and by colored grip tape and cut to fit.

    that no guns card was compliments of arizona Ocers.

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    everybody near boise... AT 4pm on friday turn your radio to 670am for nate shelmans
    Rant and Rave fridays..let everybody know about lee read by calling in and talking live.336-3700 is the number.. 4pm to 7pm

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    Hiredgun30 wrote:
    i like my alternative to hogue grips, i go down to the local skate shop and by colored grip tape and cut to fit.

    that no guns card was compliments of arizona Ocers.
    Don't your hands start bleeding after 200 or so rounds at the range? I prefer my a-grips, comfortable and still grippy.

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    I naturally have dry skin so it doesnt present an issue..
    brooks tactical actually sells pre cut pieces to place on yout weapon.



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    Hiredgun30 wrote:
    brooks tactical actually sells pre cut pieces to place on yout weapon.
    That's what I have, the a-grips. http://www.brookstactical.com/

    I know it looks like skateboard tape in the picture, but it's not. It's almost a faux suede. It's almost fuzzy, but grabs the hand really and keeps it from getting slick with sweat.

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    I hope you call in. Lemme know what they say. edit to add: just sent them a note via their contact page.

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    I live up north but I posted a note on their Contact Us page as well, noting that they set a terrible example as a businessin this great state of Idaho and that anyone I know in your area will be encouraged to stay away from any business that frowns on a persons rights.

    They need a herd of you guys to shop there after your next OC luncheon. Let's see how they handle 20 armed law abiding citizens shopping peacefully. Maybe that's not a great idea but worth making the statement.

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    I would like to encourage everyone to join the website www.Checkabiz.com it already covers many local businesses and has quite a few members in the local area. Tons of people check this site. And it is used in many business review searches on the web.

    It will be a great tool for us to use to inform others about businesses that do not care about its customers protection and safety. Just be honest and say what you did like, but be sure to mention their view on OC. even if you have no problems and its a good experience. Post it on there. That way when comes to argue. If they say we are only on there to badger them about our concerns. We can say “no, ... I submitted this review that was good for that store... and didn’t once mention OC in that review.... and so on.”

    also the occasional note, that the store will be a more likely target and even easier and safe one for the criminals wouldn’t be out of line. After all that’s what they are doing, removing the danger for the criminals, and making it safer for them one gun at a time.

    Force them to change. Advertise to the criminals that these are gun safe stores, or “Criminal Friendly Stores”. That wouldn’t be a good image for any business. And they would have to change that fast.

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    GreenDrake wrote:
    I live up north but I posted a note on their Contact Us page as well, noting that they set a terrible example as a businessin this great state of Idaho and that anyone I know in your area will be encouraged to stay away from any business that frowns on a persons rights.

    They need a herd of you guys to shop there after your next OC luncheon. Let's see how they handle 20 armed law abiding citizens shopping peacefully. Maybe that's not a great idea but worth making the statement.
    No - not the right idea here to show up en masse to some business just to penalize them for an alleged no gun policy and surprize them or induce a panic - that's not the right approach. it's a private business - if they really ban gun carry and post 9never ask them to do so) , boycott them. If they have a confused policy sometimes enforced, try to go their while discreetly open carrying for short visits and buy stuff - if normal people OC frequently in daily life, businesses will accept it.



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    Although true, I have yet to see a single other person OC in Boise...

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    i emailed a letter to sara reed, i have yet to hear back.. i even encouraged her to call.

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    still no reply from anyone at lee reed..

    I am saddened to say that the wedding ring i am wearing is from this establishment..

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    Speaking of which, Maybe I was lucky? but I wrote to them as well, and they responded to me a few days ago.

    "Dear Mr. XXXXXX

    My name is Larry Read and I am the owner of Lee Read Jewelers, Sarah Read is my daughter. Lee Read Jewelers, its owners and management (including Sarah Read) believe that any citizen has the right to own and bear arms if they choose. As with many businesses we choose to ask individuals to leave their fire arms outside our store.
    Thanks again for letting me know your thoughts,

    Larry Read

    President
    Lee Read Jewelers Inc"


    I almosted deleted it, as it appeared in my box as "Guest Services" rather than Lee Read.




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    ROFL I believe in your right to be (black, gay, christian, jewish, a gun owner, physically handicapped, deaf, blind, indigent, insert class here), just do it the hell somewhere else! :what:

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    I am frankly disappointed in the incident as it is described here. It's acceptable for you to openly carry a firearm where it's legal to do so, in the course of your daily business. I also think it's acceptable to educate the public about the fact that they have nothing to fear from law-abiding citizens who do so. I support the open carry movement completely and I like most of what I see.

    Here's the thing, though: just as you have a right to carry a firearm on your person in a legally prescribed manner, private property and business owners also have the right to ban weapons on their premises. In the case you described, you were forcing the business owner to choose between customers who are still uncomfortable with firearms and customers who openly carry them.

    Admittedly, the fear and discomfort these people experience is unfounded and has everything to do with the fact that the open carry phenomenon is a new one. People will have to be slowly reconditioned to the idea that today our culture is (sadly) what I call "the new west". The old west was, in some places, very violent and in most places law enforcement resources were scarce, so many people carried instruments of self defense as a necessity. Then for a time the U.S. was, by-and-large peaceful. Violent home invasions and public mass murder were were virtually unheard of. Today, such things occur on a weekly basis and criminals are increasingly more brazen—so people are taking matters into their own hands. I support that action.

    But what I read suggested to me that you were either seeking or at the very least inviting a confrontation—and that’s not useful. I think the goal is to demonstrate that we’re just like everyone else, and for that reason I’d like suggest an alternative course of action.

    When the nice lady informed you that some of the other customers are uncomfortable because of your weapon, apologize to her and be understanding of the situation that’s been thrust upon her. Politely assert you’re right to carry a sidearm and then explain that you carry it only for self defense. Reassure her that you in no way intend to alarm anyone, especially her customers. Then ask if you can return at another time, or simply and politely thank her for her time and leave.

    Remember: if you’re going to educate people about the open carry movement, you must be a goodwill ambassador. If you aren’t a goodwill ambassador, you reinforce the idea in the minds of some people that your goal is simply to display your weapon for your own ego.

    And by the way, I’m glad you are taking responsibility for your own security.

    Guy


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    guyoliver2002 wrote:

    Here's the thing, though: just as you have a right to carry a firearm on your person in a legally prescribed manner, private property and business owners also have the right to ban weapons on their premises. In the case you described, you were forcing the business owner to choose between customers who are still uncomfortable with firearms and customers who openly carry them.

    Actually, I think you have what business owners want you to think, Article XI, section 8 of the Idaho constitution (Article XI deals with corporations)

    Code:
    SECTION 8. RIGHT OF EMINENT DOMAIN AND POLICE POWER RESERVED. The right of eminent domain shall never be abridged, nor so construed as to prevent the legislature from taking the property and franchises of incorporated companies, and subjecting them to public use, the same as the property of individuals; and the police powers of the state shall never be abridged or so construed as to permit corporations to conduct their business in such manner as to infringe the equal rights of individuals, or the general well being of the state.
    Read the last part, "corporations are not allowed to conduct their business in such a manner as to infringe on the equal rights of individuals".

    You may do that in your private home, corporations are not supposed to do that.

    If the AG, Governor, etc will not enforce this, what else is the individual supposed to do, I think a boycott is a good thing in such a situation.

    --Carl

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    Well the Idaho Constitution says what it says, and I am also a believer in states rights--so more power to you. I'm a resident of Austin, Texas and am envious of the fact that can openly carry a sidearm in Idaho (imagine wearing a blazer to conceal your weapon when it's 105 degrees with 50% humdity).

    I stand behind my comment though: it's important to avoid confrontation in a situation like the one that was described. We're all human beings and we all need to feel understood. Most Americans have only seen "a man with a gun" during the commision of a crime. Feeling unsafe is now the pavlovic response of most people to someone without a uniform or a badge carrying a weapon, which I guess is why the Texas law is written as it is.

    Thanks for pointing out your enlightened constitution. Perhaps we in Texas could learn a few things from you folks.

    Guy

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