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    Negligent discharge at a Pensacola Wal-Mart. While I'm sorry someone was injured, this is the kind of incident that hurts our cause. Let's be careful out there!

    http://www.pnj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/art...WS01/807120321


    A man accidentally shot himself in the leg Friday evening in the Wal-Mart on Pensacola Boulevard south of West Nine Mile Road, authorities said.


    The Escambia County Sheriff's Office responded to the store about 9:20 p.m.
    The man, whose identity was not available Friday evening, had a concealed-weapon permit, and the weapon accidentally discharged, a Sheriff's Office dispatch supervisor said.

    The man was transported to West Florida Hospital. The extent of his injuries was not available Friday evening.

    Wal-Mart officials would not confirm that a shooting occurred in the store and referred all questions to the company's home office in Arkansas.

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    Not much info is their?

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    No, not much info.But the comments posted so far are interesting.

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    Dumba$$ ... why was he touching his gun. More importantly why was he touching the trigger of his gun.
    Bob Owens @ Bearing Arms (paraphrased): "These people aren't against violence; they're very much in favor of violence. They're against armed resistance."

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    deepdiver wrote:
    Dumba$$ ... why was he touching his gun. More importantly why was he touching the trigger of his gun.
    I agree. When I carry I never touch my weapon only to adjust at times, but it is a nudge. There is no reason to remove the weapon from the holster while carrying. (maybe he was using Mexican carry)
    This really sucks because Wal-Mart is OC friendly. I just hope this does not change anything.

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    Alwayspacking wrote:
    .......This really sucks because Wal-Mart is OC friendly.......
    But only if the moon is in it's third phase of alignment; Venus passes the Sun resulting in a rare occultation of Regulus,while the Jupiter and Mars eclipticsrest in atypical node positions.

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    AnaxImperator wrote:
    Alwayspacking wrote:
    .......This really sucks because Wal-Mart is OC friendly.......
    But only if the moon is in it's third phase of alignment; Venus passes the Sun resulting in a rare occultation of Regulus,while the Jupiter and Mars eclipticsrest in atypical node positions.


    From what I read here on OCDO, Wal- Mart follows state laws concerning firearms. I guess some managers are not up to speed with this policy.

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    (Lets out a large sigh)..........Wal-mart is lying to someone, or everyone.

    http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum52/13432.html

    The posted images are e-mails that were sent from Wal-mart's legal team to someone else in the company.

    As you can see, these e-mails are very OC unfriendly and completely contradictory to Wal-mart being gun friendly.

    We should not forget that Wal-mart is the company that started taping gun sales, and has given Wal-mart employees discretion on who they sell guns to.

    Also, they are the ones that said if any gun you have purchased is traced by the ATF.
    Not used in a crime, but traced by the ATF, then they would not sell you a gun.

    That means that even if a gun you purchased at Wal-mart was stolen from you, then recovered by the police, Wal-mart would now refuse to sell a gun to you.

    I don't know if this is still going on, but if it is, I believe that gun owners should boycott Wal-mart. Not just Open carriers, but gun owners.

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    Are you sure those messages are from the legal team and not just some Utah divisional manager or something that might himself be out of touch with the corporate policy?

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    Uh, let me check.

    [img]file:///C:/Users/new/AppData/Local/Temp/moz-screenshot.jpg[/img]It appears to be from The legal division at Corporate. As it was an e-mail about a Utah incident, and it came from Bentonville, I would have to say no.

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    Eureka!

    You actually may be right.

    It appears this second one is from a regional guy.

    It also appears that the research that the legal guy has done is inaccurate.

    If you read the print just underneath the bulk of the message, you will see that he has put that Utah prohibits Open Carry.

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    I know I read on this site that Wal-Mart was ok with OC. I will find it...

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    Looks like my comments on the article have generated a little bit of agreement.

    After the woman at Sam's let her 4 year old grand-daughter get hold of her CC firearm and shoot herself and now this idiot shooting himself, Wal-Mart may indeed change their policy from following state law. While we talk about actively contacting them to allow carry I'm absolutely sure that these two incidents have led to hundreds if not thousands of letters and emails from antis asking them to ban carry in their stores.

    WalMart is in business to make money. Period. The one who flexes the most economic effect on them wins. A couple of well publicized dumba$$e$ NDing in their stores sets back the tens of thousands who carry into Wal-Mart regularly when the letters from the soccer moms pour in asking why they let people carry guns in their stores.
    Bob Owens @ Bearing Arms (paraphrased): "These people aren't against violence; they're very much in favor of violence. They're against armed resistance."

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    Well it looks like Walmart WAS OC friendly. Yeah after this incident I would say the future looks bleak for us to OC in Wal-Mart anymore. With this S**t forbrainfool having a ND in the store, I wonder if it will have a wide range effect on public carry now.

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    thx997303 wrote:
    Uh, let me check.

    [img]file:///C:/Users/new/AppData/Local/Temp/moz-screenshot.jpg[/img]It appears to be from The legal division at Corporate. As it was an e-mail about a Utah incident, and it came from Bentonville, I would have to say no.
    This letters appears to not address cooperate policy at all. It is a letter from the legal department answering the question as to whether or not they can legally ask someone carrying to leave. The legal team simply answered, yes it is legal. They did not address whether doing so would be a violation of policy or not.

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    I will continiue to OC in Walmart until I am asked to leave. At that point I will leave my full basket right where it sits, leave, and never go back.

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    asforme wrote:
    thx997303 wrote:
    Uh, let me check.

    [img]file:///C:/Users/new/AppData/Local/Temp/moz-screenshot.jpg[/img]It appears to be from The legal division at Corporate. As it was an e-mail about a Utah incident, and it came from Bentonville, I would have to say no.
    This letters appears to not address cooperate policy at all. It is a letter from the legal department answering the question as to whether or not they can legally ask someone carrying to leave. The legal team simply answered, yes it is legal. They did not address whether doing so would be a violation of policy or not.
    +1. I was thinking exactly the same thing. You ask a lawyer a question, you get a legal answer. Sure, they can legally ask you to leave. However, if that violates company policy, the company can legally fire them.



    The question is still, what is company policy, and does anyone have any proof of it?

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    I have previously posted (although I don't remember if it was on OCDO) a letter from WalMart stating that their policy was to follow state law. I'm thinking it was dated circa '01-'02. I do not have a copy of it and I recall it took some time to find it in google as there are tons of hits regarding the matter.
    Bob Owens @ Bearing Arms (paraphrased): "These people aren't against violence; they're very much in favor of violence. They're against armed resistance."

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    i used to work for wal-mart but never really learned the policys completely..though a neighbor still works for them,i should ask him to find out from one of the managers for me..

    i'll reply back if i hear anything from him.

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    deepdiver wrote:
    I have previously posted (although I don't remember if it was on OCDO) a letter from WalMart stating that their policy was to follow state law. I'm thinking it was dated circa '01-'02. I do not have a copy of it and I recall it took some time to find it in google as there are tons of hits regarding the matter.
    thanks for helping me out, in a way. I was looking for that also but could not find it.

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    MetalChris wrote:
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    Not much info is their?
    There
    Sorry, hadn't had my coffee yet.

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    sent an e-mail out to corporate office(customer relations dept)and this was their reply

    Thank you for your message.

    Dear Matthew,

    For information regarding your inquiry, please contact your local store and speak with a member of management. To find the phone number for your local Wal-Mart store, please visit the http://www.walmart.com website and click on Store Finder at the bottom of the page.

    Thank you,
    Wal-Mart Customer Relations



    For further correspondence regarding this issue, please reply to this email.


    ----Your Original Comments Were----

    Comments: i would like to know if someone could tell me the exact policy of if firearms are allowed to be carried (openly or concealed) into stores by law-abiding permit holding citizens.if someone could explain to me the exact policy,it'd be appreciated thank you..

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    so apparently the "no weapons allowed" policy isn't for all but a store by store policy(atleast that's what it seems to me) :?

    i open carried there yesterday and no comments,nothing...



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    No, they probably don't know, and are defering the question to someone else.

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    deepdiver wrote:
    Looks like my comments on the article have generated a little bit of agreement.

    After the woman at Sam's let her 4 year old grand-daughter get hold of her CC firearm and shoot herself and now this idiot shooting himself, Wal-Mart may indeed change their policy from following state law. While we talk about actively contacting them to allow carry I'm absolutely sure that these two incidents have led to hundreds if not thousands of letters and emails from antis asking them to ban carry in their stores.

    WalMart is in business to make money. Period. The one who flexes the most economic effect on them wins. A couple of well publicized dumba$$e$ NDing in their stores sets back the tens of thousands who carry into Wal-Mart regularly when the letters from the soccer moms pour in asking why they let people carry guns in their stores.
    Alas, not one story pointing out that if the women had the gun openly on her
    hip, the child probably couldn't have gotten hold of it.
    Same goes for computer security attitude, hiding is good enough to stop bad things.
    Open disclosure is a much better policy. Weak security doesn't last in the light of day.


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