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    This is fairly long. It was sent to me by my brother, a LEO in Northern Utah County.

    It is well worth the read and please take it for what it is worth.

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    > Author: LTC (RET) Dave Grossman, author of "On
    > Killing."
    >
    >
    > Honor never grows old, and honor rejoices the heart of
    > age. It does so because honor is, finally, about
    > defending those noble and worthy things that deserve
    > defending, even if it comes at a high cost. In our
    > time, that may mean social disapproval, public scorn,
    > hardship, persecution, or as always,even death itself.
    > The question remains: What is worth defending? What is
    > worth dying for? What is worth living for? - William
    > J. Bennett - in a lecture to the United States Naval
    > Academy November 24, 1997
    >
    > One Vietnam veteran, an old retired colonel, once said
    > this to me:
    >
    > "Most of the people in our society are sheep. They are
    > kind, gentle, productive creatures who can only hurt
    > one another by accident." This is true. Remember, the
    > murder rate is six per 100,000 per year, and the
    > aggravated assault rate is four per 1,000 per year.
    > What this means is that the vast majority of Americans
    > are not inclined to hurt one another. Some estimates
    > say that two million Americans are victims of violent
    > crimes every year, a tragic, staggering number,
    > perhaps an all-time record rate of violent crime. But
    > there are almost 300 million Americans, which means
    > that the odds of being a victim of violent crime is
    > considerably less than one in a hundred on any given
    > year. Furthermore, since many violent crimes are
    > committed by repeat offenders, the actual number of
    > violent citizens is considerably less than two
    > million.
    >
    > Thus there is a paradox, and we must grasp both ends
    > of the situation: We may well be in the most violent
    > times in history, but violence is still remarkably
    > rare. This is because most citizens are kind, decent
    > people who are not capable of hurting each other,
    > except by accident or under extreme provocation. They
    > are sheep.
    >
    > I mean nothing negative by calling them sheep. To me
    > it is like the pretty, blue robin's egg. Inside it is
    > soft and gooey but someday it will grow into something
    > wonderful. But the egg cannot survive without its hard
    > blue shell. Police officers, soldiers, and other
    > warriors are like that shell, and someday the
    > civilization they protect will grow into something
    > wonderful.? For now, though, they need warriors to
    > protect them from the predators.
    >
    > "Then there are the wolves," the old war veteran
    > said,
    > "and the wolves feed on the sheep without mercy."
    > Do
    > you believe there are wolves out there who will feed
    > on the flock without mercy? You better believe it.
    > There are evil men in this world and they are capable
    > of evil deeds. The moment you forget that or pretend
    > it is not so, you become a sheep. There is no safety
    > in denial.
    >
    > "Then there are sheepdogs," he went on, "and
    > I'm a
    > sheepdog. I live to protect the flock and confront the
    > wolf."
    >
    > If you have no capacity for violence then you are a
    > healthy productive citizen, a sheep. If you have a
    > capacity for violence and no empathy for your fellow
    > citizens, then you have defined an aggressive
    > sociopath, a wolf. But what if you have a capacity for
    > violence, and a deep love for your fellow citizens?
    > What do you have then? A sheepdog, a warrior, someone
    > who is walking the hero's path. Someone who can walk
    > into the heart of darkness, into the universal human
    > phobia, and walk out unscathed
    >
    > Let me expand on this old soldier's excellent model of
    > the sheep, wolves, and sheepdogs. We know that the
    > sheep live in denial, that is what makes them sheep.
    > They do not want to believe that there is evil in the
    > world. They can accept the fact that fires can happen,
    > which is why they want fire extinguishers, fire
    > sprinklers, fire alarms and fire exits throughout
    > their kids' schools.
    >
    > But many of them are outraged at the idea of putting
    > an armed police officer in their kid's school. Our
    > children are thousands of times more likely to be
    > killed or seriously injured by school violence than
    > fire, but the sheep's only response to the possibility
    > of violence is denial. The idea of someone coming to
    > kill or harm their child is just too hard, and so they
    > chose the path of denial.
    >
    > The sheep generally do not like the sheepdog. He looks
    > a lot like the wolf. He has fangs and the capacity for
    > violence. The difference, though, is that the sheepdog
    > must not, can not and will not ever harm the sheep.
    > Any sheep dog who intentionally harms the lowliest
    > little lamb will be punished and removed. The world
    > cannot work any other way, at least not in a
    > representative democracy or a republic such as ours.
    >
    > Still, the sheepdog disturbs the sheep. He is a
    > constant reminder that there are wolves in the land.
    > They would prefer that he didn't tell them where to
    > go, or give them traffic tickets, or stand at the
    > ready in our airports in camouflage fatigues holding
    > an M-16. The sheep would much rather have the sheepdog
    > cash in his fangs, spray paint himself white, and go,
    > "Baa."
    >
    > Until the wolf shows up. Then the entire flock tries
    > desperately to hide behind one lonely sheepdog.
    >
    > The students, the victims, at Columbine High School
    > were big, tough high school students, and under
    > ordinary circumstances they would not have had the
    > time of day for a police officer. They were not bad
    > kids; they just had nothing to say to a cop. When the
    > school was under attack, however, and SWAT teams were
    > clearing the rooms and hallways, the officers had to
    > physically peel those clinging, sobbing kids off of
    > them. This is how the little lambs feel about their
    > sheepdog when the wolf is at the door.
    >
    > Look at what happened after September 11, 2001 when
    > the wolf pounded hard on the door. Remember how
    > America, more than ever before, felt differently about
    > their law enforcement officers and military personnel?
    > Remember how many times you heard the word hero?
    >
    > Understand that there is nothing morally superior
    > about being a sheepdog; it is just what you choose to
    > be. Also understand that a sheepdog is a funny
    > critter: He is always sniffing around out on the
    > perimeter, checking the breeze, barking at things that
    > go bump in the night, and yearning for a righteous
    > battle. That is, the young sheepdogs yearn for a
    > righteous battle. The old sheepdogs are a little older
    > and wiser, but they move to the sound of the guns when
    > needed right along with the young ones.
    >
    > Here is how the sheep and the sheepdog think
    > differently. The sheep pretend the wolf will never
    > come, but the sheepdog lives for that day. After the
    > attacks on September 11, 2001, most of the sheep, that
    > is, most citizens in America said, "Thank God I
    > wasn't
    > on one of those planes." The sheepdogs, the warriors,
    > said, "Dear God, I wish I could have been on one of
    > those planes. Maybe I could have made a difference."
    > When you are truly transformed into a warrior and have
    > truly invested yourself into warriorhood, you want to
    > be there. You want to be able to make a difference.
    >
    > There is nothing morally superior about the sheepdog,
    > the warrior, but he does have one real advantage. Only
    > one. And that is that he is able to survive and thrive
    > in an environment that destroys 98 percent of the
    > population. There was research conducted a few years
    > ago with individuals convicted of violent crimes.
    > These cons were in prison for serious, predatory
    > crimes of violence: assaults, murders and killing law
    > enforcement officers. The vast majority said that they
    > specifically targeted victims by body language:
    > slumped walk, passive behavior and lack of awareness.
    > They chose their victims like big cats do in Africa,
    > when they select one out of the herd that is least
    > able to protect itself.
    >
    >
    >
    > Some people may be destined to be sheep and others
    > might be genetically primed to be wolves or sheepdogs.
    > But I believe that most people can choose which one
    > they want to be, and I'm proud to say that more and
    > more Americans are choosing to become sheepdogs.
    >
    > Seven months after the attack on September 11, 2001,
    > Todd Beamer was honored in his hometown of Cranbury,
    > New Jersey. Todd, as you recall, was the man on Flight
    > 93 over Pennsylvania who called on his cell phone to
    > alert an operator from United Airlines about the
    > hijacking. When he learned of the other three
    > passenger planes that had been used as weapons, Todd
    > dropped his phone and uttered the words, "Let's
    > roll,"
    > which authorities believe was a signal to the other
    > passengers to confront the terrorist hijackers. In one
    > hour, a transformation occurred among the passengers -
    > athletes, business people and parents. -- from sheep
    > to sheepdogs and together they fought the wolves,
    > ultimately saving an unknown number of lives on the
    > ground.
    >
    > There is no safety for honest men except by believing
    > all possible evil of evil men. - Edmund Burke
    >
    > Here is the point I like to emphasize, especially to
    > the thousands of police officers and soldiers I speak
    > to each year. In nature the sheep, real sheep, are
    > born as sheep. Sheepdogs are born that way, and so are
    > wolves. They didn't have a choice. But you are not a
    > critter. As a human being, you can be whatever you
    > want to be. It is a conscious, moral decision.
    >
    > If you want to be a sheep, then you can be a sheep and
    > that is okay, but you must understand the price you
    > pay. When the wolf comes, you and your loved ones are
    > going to die if there is not a sheepdog there to
    > protect you. If you want to be a wolf, you can be one,
    > but the sheepdogs are going to hunt you down and you
    > will never have rest, safety, trust or love. But if
    > you want to be a sheepdog and walk the warrior's path,
    > then you must make a conscious and moral decision
    > every day to dedicate, equip and prepare yourself to
    > thrive in that toxic, corrosive moment when the wolf
    > comes knocking at the door.
    >
    > For example, many officers carry their weapons in
    > church.? They are well concealed in ankle holsters,
    > shoulder holsters or inside-the-belt holsters tucked
    > into the small of their backs.? Anytime you go to some
    > form of religious service, there is a very good chance
    > that a police officer in your congregation is
    > carrying. You will never know if there is such an
    > individual in your place of worship, until the wolf
    > appears to massacre you and your loved ones.
    >
    > I was training a group of police officers in Texas,
    > and during the break, one officer asked his friend if
    > he carried his weapon in church. The other cop
    > replied, "I will never be caught without my gun in
    > church." I asked why he felt so strongly about this,
    > and he told me about a cop he knew who was at a church
    > massacre in Ft. Worth, Texas in 1999. In that
    > incident, a mentally deranged individual came into the
    > church and opened fire, gunning down fourteen people.
    > He said that officer believed he could have saved
    > every life that day if he had been carrying his gun.
    > His own son was shot, and all he could do was throw
    > himself on the boy's body and wait to die. That cop
    > looked me in the eye and said, "Do you have any idea
    > how hard it would be to live with yourself after
    > that?"
    >
    > Some individuals would be horrified if they knew this
    > police officer was carrying a weapon in church. They
    > might call him paranoid and would probably scorn him.
    > Yet these same individuals would be enraged and would
    > call for "heads to roll" if they found out that
    > the
    > airbags in their cars were defective, or that the fire
    > extinguisher and fire sprinklers in their kids' school
    > did not work. They can accept the fact that fires and
    > traffic accidents can happen and that there must be
    > safeguards against them.
    >
    > Their only response to the wolf, though, is denial,
    > and all too often their response to the sheepdog is
    > scorn and disdain. But the sheepdog quietly asks
    > himself, "Do you have and idea how hard it would be to
    > live with yourself if your loved ones attacked and
    > killed, and you had to stand there helplessly because
    > you were unprepared for that day?"
    >
    > It is denial that turns people into sheep. Sheep are
    > psychologically destroyed by combat because their only
    > defense is denial, which is counterproductive and
    > destructive, resulting in fear, helplessness and
    > horror when the wolf shows up.
    >
    > Denial kills you twice. It kills you once, at your
    > moment of truth when you are not physically prepared:
    > you didn't bring your gun, you didn't train. Your
    > only
    > defense was wishful thinking. Hope is not a strategy.
    > Denial kills you a second time because even if you do
    > physically survive, you are psychologically shattered
    > by your fear helplessness and horror at your moment of
    > truth.
    >
    > Gavin de Becker puts it like this in Fear Less, his
    > superb post-9/11 book, which should be required
    > reading for anyone trying to come to terms with our
    > current world situation: "...denial can be seductive,
    > but it has an insidious side effect. For all the peace
    > of mind deniers think they get by saying it isn't so,
    > the fall they take when faced with new violence is all
    > the more unsettling."
    >
    > Denial is a save-now-pay-later scheme, a contract
    > written entirely in small print, for in the long run,
    > the denying person knows the truth on some level.
    >
    > And so the warrior must strive to confront denial in
    > all aspects of his life, and prepare himself for the
    > day when evil comes. If you are warrior who is legally
    > authorized to carry a weapon and you step outside
    > without that weapon, then you become a sheep,
    > pretending that the bad man will not come today. No
    > one can be "on" 24/7, for a lifetime. Everyone
    > needs
    > down time. But if you are authorized to carry a
    > weapon, and you walk outside without it, just take a
    > deep breath, and say this to yourself...
    >
    > "Baa."
    >
    > This business of being a sheep or a sheep dog is not a
    > yes-no dichotomy. It is not an all-or-nothing,
    > either-or choice. It is a matter of degrees, a
    > continuum. On one end is an abject,
    > head-in-the-sand-sheep and on the other end is the
    > ultimate warrior. Few people exist completely on one
    > end or the other. Most of us live somewhere in
    > between. Since 9-11 almost everyone in America took a
    > step up that continuum, away from denial. The sheep
    > took a few steps toward accepting and appreciating
    > their warriors, and the warriors started taking their
    > job more seriously. The degree to which you move up
    > that continuum, away from sheephood and denial, is the
    > degree to which you and your loved ones will survive,
    > physically and psychologically at your moment of
    > truth. "



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    Joe, thanks for sharing that. But I will respectfully disagree on a couple points. We do not need that "hard blue shell" and to say otherwise discounts how America ever survived before the police departments were formed. I need nothing else besides the ability to protect myself and a society/government that not only recognizes that right, but guarantees it. There is nothing in the Constitution guaranteeing a police force for our protection and the thought would havebeen thenas today, unheard of.

    As we've discussed so many times on here as of late, the police have no moral obligation to protect life. None. Only to uphold the law. And many leo's here, as have many members, said they won't put themselves in harm's way to save an innocent "victim" because they just don't really know how "innocent" you really are and that their own lives are worth more than yours. To them.

    People tend to over-emotionalize events such as these and take everything personal. Emotional responses are easy because they just happen and you react. No thought required!But logical reasoning takes effort and time. Many just don't know how and for others,it's just not worth the effort. But I say nothing is worth more effort! Here's an example:

    If you were atthe scene of a crime or even a target of the criminal and your life was saved because a LEO went after the bad guy,they weren't protecting "you", they were just doing their job.Had you not been there,the LEO would have still gone after the criminal just the same because THAT IS their job! Their actions being equal, the protection of an individual that just happens to be there is incidental and therefore not part of the equation!

    There ARE those that do take their oaths seriously and live lives of honorand some that have laid down their lives down for their fellow man. Not because it was their job to do it, butbecause it was the right thing to do. They are the heroes and the TRUE SHEEP DOGS. I submitthat is not because of the uniform or badge they wore, rather the type of person that they were long before ever donning the uniform. Any uniform.

    I cannot honor anything that is merely incidental and played off as intentional for the sake of looking like the protectors and heroes of our society. The true heroes are in the Veterans Cemeteries both here and overseas.

    It's nothing personal...it's all business.

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    I think that the bulk of the message is what should be taken from this.

    I believe that those who OC despite the unwanted attention we may get, are sheepdogs.

    Those who CC are sheepdogs dressed as sheep.

    Anyone fel the same way?

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    thx997303 wrote:
    I think that the bulk of the message is what should be taken from this.

    I believe that those who OC despite the unwanted attention we may get, are sheepdogs.

    Those who CC are sheepdogs dressed as sheep.

    Anyone fel the same way?

    I dont know if thats what JoeSparky meant, but I like that interpretation.

    I did like this analogy about our society though, I believe the bulk of the idea is very true.

    I've gotto go look after my "sheep" now,


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    CC'ing or OC'ing doesn't clarify the difference between a sheepdog and a sheepdog in a sheeps clothing. What makes a person a sheepdog is if they can honestly look themselves in the mirror and truly answer themselves this question " when it comes down to it, can I actually pull the trigger and take another man's life, and not even second guess my actions? " If there is a moment of hesitation to the answer, then the answer is no. As many people who read these boards, and are LEO's, and from my past in the whole LEO world, everycop will tell you " I'm going home today. " That phrase encompases a lot.

    Whenever I read this story ( it was actually given to us a year or so back for some training at my job ), I am often reminded of the gentleman with his family at the Chili's ( I believe ) in Murray when that gang member came inside and the end result was a family losing their father. This feller had his CFP and was carrying that night, and opted to not shoot. Though he was in his legal right to not get involved, my question still is " why carry if you wont use it? " A sheepdog would have stopped the wolf, a sheep just sits there and says " please dont pick me! "

    This is just my own opinion, take it for what it's worth

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    I see your point in the way how some people wont stop an attack even though they have to tool to do so.

    Some people draw a line as to who they call their "sheep", it may be just their family, or family and friends, as far as the rest of the people they are not their "sheep".

    Also some people have different ideas of at what point will they usetheir gun to stop a situation. A friend of mine a CCP holder and3 of his friends also holders all with their guns were eating at fast food place when a man with a gun came in and robbed the place. The robber never shot his gun, but did get cash from the registers. For what ever reason these 4 felt they did not draw on the robber and shoot him.

    Some people may wantto just draw when another weapon is in play by a bad guy, draw and shoot, or just wait to see just if the bad guy will actually harm another person.

    As for me I wont have hesitation for my own person and family, as for a total stranger.... I would have to asses the level of the situation and at what point in time am I going to interact.

    I am not saying I wont help at all, I'm just sayingI'm not the "young sheepdog" looking for the "wolf" andthe chance to see one, and go running every time there might be one.

    I dont know exactly what happened at the restaurant in the story you refer to, but I would have acted if a shot was fired, you dont know if they will just keep shooting. If your at any restaurant like Chilies depending where you are and the situationmay have been, you would not be able to totally figure out whats going on.

    and that too is my opinion

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    BobCav wrote:
    Joe, thanks for sharing that. But I will respectfully disagree on a couple points. We do not need that "hard blue shell" and to say otherwise discounts how America ever survived before the police departments were formed. I need nothing else besides the ability to protect myself and a society/government that not only recognizes that right, but guarantees it. There is nothing in the Constitution guaranteeing a police force for our protection and the thought would havebeen thenas today, unheard of.

    As we've discussed so many times on here as of late, the police have no moral obligation to protect life. None. Only to uphold the law. And many leo's here, as have many members, said they won't put themselves in harm's way to save an innocent "victim" because they just don't really know how "innocent" you really are and that their own lives are worth more than yours. To them.

    People tend to over-emotionalize events such as these and take everything personal. Emotional responses are easy because they just happen and you react. No thought required!But logical reasoning takes effort and time. Many just don't know how and for others,it's just not worth the effort. But I say nothing is worth more effort! Here's an example:

    If you were atthe scene of a crime or even a target of the criminal and your life was saved because a LEO went after the bad guy,they weren't protecting "you", they were just doing their job.Had you not been there,the LEO would have still gone after the criminal just the same because THAT IS their job! Their actions being equal, the protection of an individual that just happens to be there is incidental and therefore not part of the equation!

    There ARE those that do take their oaths seriously and live lives of honorand some that have laid down their lives down for their fellow man. Not because it was their job to do it, butbecause it was the right thing to do. They are the heroes and the TRUE SHEEP DOGS. I submitthat is not because of the uniform or badge they wore, rather the type of person that they were long before ever donning the uniform. Any uniform.

    I cannot honor anything that is merely incidental and played off as intentional for the sake of looking like the protectors and heroes of our society. The true heroes are in the Veterans Cemeteries both here and overseas.

    It's nothing personal...it's all business.
    Please understand the audience present when this was delivered.... It was directed toward the military and LEO. Yes there are portions that would tend to "rub us wrong" but take the good for what it is and leave the rest.

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    If the above makes me a RADICAL or EXTREME--- So be it!

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    thx997303 wrote:
    I think that the bulk of the message is what should be taken from this.

    I believe that those who OC despite the unwanted attention we may get, are sheepdogs.

    Those who CC are sheepdogs dressed as sheep.

    Anyone fel the same way?
    Anyone willing to step up and protect others is a sheepdog... be they Military, LEO or Citizen!

    I don't care if they OC or CC, that is a personal preference.

    All are Sheepdogs... just some may have longer fangs than others.

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    If the above makes me a RADICAL or EXTREME--- So be it!

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    usSiR wrote:
    Also some people have different ideas of at what point will they usetheir gun to stop a situation.
    You might find this thread over on UCC interesting.

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    swillden wrote:
    usSiR wrote:
    Also some people have different ideas of at what point will they usetheir gun to stop a situation.
    You might find this thread over on UCC interesting.

    yeah I voted on that one... It is interesting lots of peoples beliefs come out.

    I think even LEO's have their own beliefs on when they use there gun, even though there may be more situations that we are aware of that it could be justified.


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    Umm, I was not saying that you weren't a sheepdog if you CC, I was saying that you are a disguised sheepdog.

    You're weapon is hidden, you look like a sheep.

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    JoeSparky wrote:
    thx997303 wrote:
    I think that the bulk of the message is what should be taken from this.

    I believe that those who OC despite the unwanted attention we may get, are sheepdogs.

    Those who CC are sheepdogs dressed as sheep.

    Anyone fel the same way?
    Anyone willing to step up and protect others is a sheepdog... be they Military, LEO or Citizen!....
    2nd that.

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    I think Im a Hybrid. Loyal as all get out but mean as heck. LOL.

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