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    Greetings all.

    I am new here, relatively new to the state of Michigan and soon to be CC licensed.

    Does anyone OC in Holland or nearby communities?

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    Welcome to OCDO. I am sure there are people on the board that are in or around Holland that do open carry. Bounce around, do some reading, i am sure soon you will run into them or them into you.

    When you get a chance please click on the my account button on the upper right, and change your info to reflect your location. remember you MUST choose your country BEFORE you can choose your state. enjoy OCDO.

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    I just came back from the HPD (obtaining pistol purchase permit). While I was there, I informed them of the OC laws of Michigan and asked if there were any local restrictions that I should be made aware of, prior to OCing in Holland. Both said, "if that's the law" but neither of them were carrying.



    When I return to pick up my PPP, I'll see if I can speak to the Chief (of course, I will be handing him the statue of the OC laws of Michigan.)



    So far, no one has informed me that the law has changed regarding the Inspections, so I will bring a copy when I return to pick up my PPP.

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    I/ve OC'd around Holland; Tulip Time and one Friday (during the day) shopping downtown. I did not have any problems.
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    custom.45acp wrote:
    I just came back from the HPD (obtaining pistol purchase permit). While I was there, I informed them of the OC laws of Michigan and asked if there were any local restrictions that I should be made aware of, prior to OCing in Holland. Both said, "if that's the law" but neither of them were carrying.



    When I return to pick up my PPP, I'll see if I can speak to the Chief (of course, I will be handing him the statue of the OC laws of Michigan.)



    So far, no one has informed me that the law has changed regarding the Inspections, so I will bring a copy when I return to pick up my PPP.
    Restrictons????? Was this question just to get them to talk or what? What "LAWS" are you going to show them? Careful on your wording, here AND there.....

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    custom.45acp wrote:
    I just came back from the HPD (obtaining pistol purchase permit). While I was there, I informed them of the OC laws of Michigan and asked if there were any local restrictions that I should be made aware of, prior to OCing in Holland. Both said, "if that's the law" but neither of them were carrying.



    When I return to pick up my PPP, I'll see if I can speak to the Chief (of course, I will be handing him the statue of the OC laws of Michigan.)



    So far, no one has informed me that the law has changed regarding the Inspections, so I will bring a copy when I return to pick up my PPP.
    There can be no local restrictions (1990 preemption law).

    There are no laws saying OC is legal, just no law that makes it illegal.
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    custom.45acp wrote:
    I just came back from the HPD (obtaining pistol purchase permit). While I was there, I informed them of the OC laws of Michigan and asked if there were any local restrictions that I should be made aware of, prior to OCing in Holland. Both said, "if that's the law" but neither of them were carrying.



    When I return to pick up my PPP, I'll see if I can speak to the Chief (of course, I will be handing him the statue of the OC laws of Michigan.)



    So far, no one has informed me that the law has changed regarding the Inspections, so I will bring a copy when I return to pick up my PPP.
    Why are you returning to pick up your PPP? They should have given it to you when you first went there. The same law that prevents them from passing laws against OC, is the same law that imposing any waiting period on PPP's.

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    custom.45acp wrote:
    I just came back from the HPD (obtaining pistol purchase permit). While I was there, I informed them of the OC laws of Michigan and asked if there were any local restrictions that I should be made aware of, prior to OCing in Holland. Both said, "if that's the law" but neither of them were carrying.



    When I return to pick up my PPP, I'll see if I can speak to the Chief (of course, I will be handing him the statue of the OC laws of Michigan.)



    So far, no one has informed me that the law has changed regarding the Inspections, so I will bring a copy when I return to pick up my PPP.
    Why are you returning to pick up your PPP? They should have given it to you when you first went there. The same law that prevents them from passing laws against OC, is the same law that imposing any waiting period on PPP's.

    28.422 In pertinent part:

    (3) The commissioner or chief of police of a city, township, or village police department that issues licenses to purchase, carry, or transport pistols, or his or her duly authorized deputy, or the sheriff or his or her duly authorized deputy, in the parts of a county not included within a city, township, or village having an organized police department, in discharging the duty to issue licenses shall with due speed and diligence issue licenses to purchase, carry, or transport pistols to qualified applicants residing within the city, village, township, or county, as applicable unless he or she has probable cause to believe that the applicant would be a threat to himself or herself or to other individuals, or would commit an offense with the pistol that would violate a law of this or another state or of the United States. An applicant is qualified if all of the following circumstances exist:


    What exactlyis the time frame of "due speed"?

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    SpringerXDacp wrote:
    ghostrider wrote:
    custom.45acp wrote:
    I just came back from the HPD (obtaining pistol purchase permit). While I was there, I informed them of the OC laws of Michigan and asked if there were any local restrictions that I should be made aware of, prior to OCing in Holland. Both said, "if that's the law" but neither of them were carrying.



    When I return to pick up my PPP, I'll see if I can speak to the Chief (of course, I will be handing him the statue of the OC laws of Michigan.)



    So far, no one has informed me that the law has changed regarding the Inspections, so I will bring a copy when I return to pick up my PPP.
    Why are you returning to pick up your PPP? They should have given it to you when you first went there. The same law that prevents them from passing laws against OC, is the same law that imposing any waiting period on PPP's.

    28.422 In pertinent part:

    (3) The commissioner or chief of police of a city, township, or village police department that issues licenses to purchase, carry, or transport pistols, or his or her duly authorized deputy, or the sheriff or his or her duly authorized deputy, in the parts of a county not included within a city, township, or village having an organized police department, in discharging the duty to issue licenses shall with due speed and diligence issue licenses to purchase, carry, or transport pistols to qualified applicants residing within the city, village, township, or county, as applicable unless he or she has probable cause to believe that the applicant would be a threat to himself or herself or to other individuals, or would commit an offense with the pistol that would violate a law of this or another state or of the United States. An applicant is qualified if all of the following circumstances exist:


    What exactlyis the time frame of "due speed"?
    I understand that the phrase "due speed and diligence" may seem vague, but The AG opinion has already stated that there is no waiting period. It doesn't take 24 hours to issue a permit. Making someone wait that long isn't "due speed and diligence", it's a waiting period.

    Due speed and diligence? Takes about 20-30 minutes here in GR, and some even less.

    The OP should go to this thread: http://www.migunowners.org/forum/showthread.php?t=23983

    and report it there. They should do it while you wait.

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    Is anyone else experiencing the same problem in HPD, the lengthy process of getting a PPP?



    Last time I went to get a PPP, I had to wait 4 hours to get it signed, they called just prior to closing and said that I could come to get it the following day. I thought this was common for Michigan, being new here.



    With the strict gun laws in Illinois, I had less of a headache than here. I would buy a gun. The gun shop would call in the check. I would wait 72 hours from the approval. Go back to the gun shop and pick up my pistol. No extra running around and a lot less time consuming. I can't even get a PPP on the weekend here (I guess that's where the CPL comes in handy.)

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    custom.45acp wrote:
    Is anyone else experiencing the same problem in HPD, the lengthy process of getting a PPP?



    Last time I went to get a PPP, I had to wait 4 hours to get it signed, they called just prior to closing and said that I could come to get it the following day. I thought this was common for Michigan, being new here.



    With the strict gun laws in Illinois, I had less of a headache than here. I would buy a gun. The gun shop would call in the check. I would wait 72 hours from the approval. Go back to the gun shop and pick up my pistol. No extra running around and a lot less time consuming. I can't even get a PPP on the weekend here (I guess that's where the CPL comes in handy.)
    Make a print out of this AG opinion and take it down there with you.

    http://www.migunowners.org/pub/AGLetter7-17-06.pdf

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    I know that some parks in Holland have posted anti-firearm rules. I know one is posted at Black Lake Boardwalk. I am not sure who owns/controls that boardwalk, but it is public. Of course any of those rules would be ILLEGAL



    I did find this on municode:

    Sec. 22-4. Firearms, etc. Unless that person is authorized to engage in an animal control activity authorized under section 22-9 of the Ordinance Code of the City of Holland, no person shall carry in any public park any gun, "BB" gun, air rifle, rifle, shotgun, revolver, pistol or other firearm of any kind or description or any device which is capable of throwing or discharging an object with sufficient force to injure or kill humans or animals.
    Its probably just a scare tactic. I have read the meeting minutes from when this ord was enacted though, and they believe that it is a legal ord, even after warning, I believe from MCRGO.

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    Furner wrote:
    I know that some parks in Holland have posted anti-firearm rules. I know one is posted at Black Lake Boardwalk. I am not sure who owns/controls that boardwalk, but it is public. Of course any of those rules would be ILLEGAL



    I did find this on municode:

    Sec. 22-4. Firearms, etc. Unless that person is authorized to engage in an animal control activity authorized under section 22-9 of the Ordinance Code of the City of Holland, no person shall carry in any public park any gun, "BB" gun, air rifle, rifle, shotgun, revolver, pistol or other firearm of any kind or description or any device which is capable of throwing or discharging an object with sufficient force to injure or kill humans or animals.
    Its probably just a scare tactic. I have read the meeting minutes from when this ord was enacted though, and they believe that it is a legal ord, even after warning, I believe from MCRGO.
    It's illegal.
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    Venator wrote:
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    I know that some parks in Holland have posted anti-firearm rules. I know one is posted at Black Lake Boardwalk. I am not sure who owns/controls that boardwalk, but it is public. Of course any of those rules would be ILLEGAL



    I did find this on municode:

    Sec. 22-4. Firearms, etc. Unless that person is authorized to engage in an animal control activity authorized under section 22-9 of the Ordinance Code of the City of Holland, no person shall carry in any public park any gun, "BB" gun, air rifle, rifle, shotgun, revolver, pistol or other firearm of any kind or description or any device which is capable of throwing or discharging an object with sufficient force to injure or kill humans or animals.
    Its probably just a scare tactic. I have read the meeting minutes from when this ord was enacted though, and they believe that it is a legal ord, even after warning, I believe from MCRGO.
    It's illegal.
    They must think they live in some sort of alternate universe. Where up is down and they are above the law.

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    Furner wrote:
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    Furner wrote:
    I know that some parks in Holland have posted anti-firearm rules. I know one is posted at Black Lake Boardwalk. I am not sure who owns/controls that boardwalk, but it is public. Of course any of those rules would be ILLEGAL



    I did find this on municode:

    Sec. 22-4. Firearms, etc. Unless that person is authorized to engage in an animal control activity authorized under section 22-9 of the Ordinance Code of the City of Holland, no person shall carry in any public park any gun, "BB" gun, air rifle, rifle, shotgun, revolver, pistol or other firearm of any kind or description or any device which is capable of throwing or discharging an object with sufficient force to injure or kill humans or animals.
    Its probably just a scare tactic. I have read the meeting minutes from when this ord was enacted though, and they believe that it is a legal ord, even after warning, I believe from MCRGO.
    It's illegal.
    They must think they live in some sort of alternate universe. Where up is down and they are above the law.

    We have heard of bad information given out by the Holland PD. All we can do is inform them of whats correct and ask them to show you where the local ordinance trumps state law. Other than that sounds like a great place for a get together.
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    Venator wrote:
    Furner wrote:
    Venator wrote:
    Furner wrote:
    I know that some parks in Holland have posted anti-firearm rules. I know one is posted at Black Lake Boardwalk. I am not sure who owns/controls that boardwalk, but it is public. Of course any of those rules would be ILLEGAL



    I did find this on municode:

    Sec. 22-4. Firearms, etc. Unless that person is authorized to engage in an animal control activity authorized under section 22-9 of the Ordinance Code of the City of Holland, no person shall carry in any public park any gun, "BB" gun, air rifle, rifle, shotgun, revolver, pistol or other firearm of any kind or description or any device which is capable of throwing or discharging an object with sufficient force to injure or kill humans or animals.
    Its probably just a scare tactic. I have read the meeting minutes from when this ord was enacted though, and they believe that it is a legal ord, even after warning, I believe from MCRGO.
    It's illegal.
    They must think they live in some sort of alternate universe. Where up is down and they are above the law.

    We have heard of bad information given out by the Holland PD. All we can do is inform them of whats correct and ask them to show you where the local ordinance trumps state law. Other than that sounds like a great place for a get together.
    Id love to do a meet in Holland. I even have a state park vehicle pass!

    Although the state park might be biting off more than we can chew. Maybe keep it to a city park.

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    Furner wrote:
    Venator wrote:
    Furner wrote:
    Venator wrote:
    Furner wrote:
    I know that some parks in Holland have posted anti-firearm rules. I know one is posted at Black Lake Boardwalk. I am not sure who owns/controls that boardwalk, but it is public. Of course any of those rules would be ILLEGAL



    I did find this on municode:

    Sec. 22-4. Firearms, etc. Unless that person is authorized to engage in an animal control activity authorized under section 22-9 of the Ordinance Code of the City of Holland, no person shall carry in any public park any gun, "BB" gun, air rifle, rifle, shotgun, revolver, pistol or other firearm of any kind or description or any device which is capable of throwing or discharging an object with sufficient force to injure or kill humans or animals.
    Its probably just a scare tactic. I have read the meeting minutes from when this ord was enacted though, and they believe that it is a legal ord, even after warning, I believe from MCRGO.
    It's illegal.
    They must think they live in some sort of alternate universe. Where up is down and they are above the law.

    We have heard of bad information given out by the Holland PD. All we can do is inform them of whats correct and ask them to show you where the local ordinance trumps state law. Other than that sounds like a great place for a get together.
    Id love to do a meet in Holland. I even have a state park vehicle pass!

    Although the state park might be biting off more than we can chew. Maybe keep it to a city park.
    Fees required to enter state parks, that's why we like city parks.
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    Getting a CPL in Holland, Ottawa County, similar the stories that I am hearing or can I expect the same treatment that I've been getting when I get a PPP?

    Silver Bullet, Wyoming, is where I'll take instruction. Anyone dealt with them? Good or average class for CCW training?

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    custom.45acp wrote:
    Getting a CPL in Holland, Ottawa County, similar the stories that I am hearing or can I expect the same treatment that I've been getting when I get a PPP?

    Silver Bullet, Wyoming, is where I'll take instruction. Anyone dealt with them? Good or average class for CCW training?
    Good CPL class. Thats where I took mine. There may be cheaper ones, but Silver Bullet rocks because its one day and you shoot indoors. And they actually have you shoot. I went through almost my entire 100 rounds.

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    Silver bullet CPL classes full (for a while.)



    Any others in the are of Holland, that are reputable?

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    custom.45acp wrote:
    Silver bullet CPL classes full (for a while.)



    Any others in the are of Holland, that are reputable?
    Check MCRGO. They list local instructors. I know South Kent Sportsmans's Club lists them on their website.

    http://www.mcrgo.org/mcrgo/d_ccwinstr.asp

    Might call Rylee's Ace Hardward, but I heard the guy they recommend won't be doing one untill September.

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    custom.45acp wrote:
    Silver bullet CPL classes full (for a while.)



    Any others in the are of Holland, that are reputable?
    I know that both Gander Mtn stores in GR offer classes, but I think they are 2-day.


    Al & Bobs on Division do classes too.

    Sorry I dont know any in Holland. Im sure there are.


    Here is a list on the NRA website of some places that offer "Personal Protection In THe Home". I think that is the name of the CPL Class.
    http://www.nrahq.org/education/train...&Type=PPIH

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    Everyone knows how it is, you finally make the decision to CC and then try to find a place before you change your mind or someone tries to do it for you. I am seeking a CPL or CCW class within the nearest future. Any suggestions?

    Silver Bullet's website incorrect

    Gander Mtn wants me to find him another 7 participants (Who's getting paid for this, him or me?)

    Does anyone know of any that my take place this weekend? Anyone/company do this on a week(end)ly basis?



    Any help is greatly appreciated.

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    I've found one in Kalamazoo, Aug. 2.

    Thanks

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    Congrats. Good luck with it.

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