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    They are still trying to disarm the citizens of the whole world. Just in case anyone is interested. I really think they are going to have a hard time in theU.S., all because of that pesky 2A.
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    How about some details?
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    ODA 226 wrote:
    How about some details?
    It doesn't mention disarmament of the U.S. directly, but read it carefully and you'll get the message. Also at 8:00 pm Central Time go to http://www.nra.org and you may hear them talk about it some more tonight onCam and Company.


    http://www.un.org/News/briefings/doc...Survey.doc.htm
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    A newly born kitten is more dangerous than the UN.

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    N00blet45 wrote:
    A newly born kitten is more dangerous than the UN.
    It's not the power, it's the intent. If youhack on an oak tree long enough with akitchen knife, it WILL eventually fall. We need to be aware of ALL efforts to disarm us. There are 336 delegates in this conference, only 3 are there to protect our rights. The NRA has one there.
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    Speaking as the former Deputy Head of SEESAC, the lead UN unit for arms control in South Eastern Europe (www.seesac.org ), I can attest that the Small Arms Survey is an extremely dangerous organization and that this is BIG business for them. (We're talking millions of dollars, funded through the UN with, guess what? Millions of dollars taken from United States UN dues!)

    These peopledespise the United States in particular and the Second Amendment to our Constitution especially. When I held that UN position, I was in constant conflict with them and BICC (Bonn International Centre for Conversion) and Saferworld. All of these organizations work together as one to achievetwo goals: worldwide disarmament of civilian populations and to make as much money as possible while forcing arms control "theories" upon the same.

    While in my position, I was witness to graft and corruption on a daily basis within these organizations, such as my former UN boss granting contracts to the Small Arms Survey while at the same time being a member of the SAS Board of Directors. UN contracts were also given to Saferworld by the same person while he was (guess what?) a senior member of Saferworld's Board of Directors!

    The same guy was flying all around the world (at our taxpayer expense) to speak at other independant Small Arms and Explosives Events while on the payroll of the same companies that were sponsoring these events AND got paid max per diem by the UN! (read again, at US taxpayers expense!)

    The only tangible thing that they have ever done was to tighten export restrictions and end user certificates and this IMO, is a good thing. However, the damage that they are capable of is tremendousand I believe that pro-2A organizations need to closely monitor these anti organizations and take active steps to shut them down before they do the same to us.


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    ODA 226 wrote:
    I believe that pro-2A organizations need to closely monitor these anti organizations and take active steps to shut them down before they do the same to us.
    I totally agree - the UN should be disbanded or at least de-funded by us and asked to move to another country that has already voluntarily given up its sovereignty.

    OK, that may not be what ODA226 meant. I have however, known many people who as US or DoD employees or with the military have worked with or in the UN in various capacities and every one of them has offered sentiments in line with what ODA226 said about the programs, units or policy wonks with whom they have worked. I have no personal experience with the UN, however, the negative comments, stories and news reports I hear are so unusually consistent that I can no longer support the UN at any level. Obviously it once did good things, especially with sanitation in developing and emerging nations which saved millions of lives, but now it is more of a hinderance to freedom that anything. Just look at the make-up of the UN human rights committee. It is nearly completely stacked with representatives of nations with horrid human rights records and/or records as terrorist supporters. I think it is beyond fixing at this point.
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    N00blet45 wrote:
    A newly born kitten is more dangerous than the UN.
    The UN is extremely dangerous. Read their Charter. In the beginning there is talk of rights. When one delves deeper one finds the UN's definition of "rights" are actually privileges controlled by the UN, not inalienable. Disarmament is a stated goal.

    We have already ratified their Charter. It just hasn't been adopted as law of the land... yet.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Charter

    The United Nations Charter is the treaty that forms and establishes the international organization called the United Nations.[1] It was signed at the United Nations Conference on International Organization in San Francisco, California, United States, on June 26, 1945, by 50 of the 51 original member countries (Poland, the other original member, which was not represented at the conference, signed it later). It entered into force on October 24, 1945, after being ratified by the five permanent members of the Security Council—the Republic of China (later replaced by the People's Republic of China), France, the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (later replaced by the Russian Federation), the United Kingdom, and the United States—and a majority of the other signatories.
    As a Charter, it is a constituent treaty, and all members are bound by its articles. Furthermore, the Charter states that obligations to the United Nations prevail over all other treaty obligations.[1] Most countries in the world have now ratified the Charter. One notable exception is the Holy See, which has chosen to remain a permanent observer state and therefore is not a full signatory to the Charter. [1]

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    When I say that I'm referring to their actual power to enforce their rules. They have never been able to enforce anything. It seems to always come down to America or some other major power to do the enforcing. They may have it written down but how are they going to enforce it?

    From their first major test in Korea to their latest test in Iraq and Sudan it is clear that they have no power to back up their resolutions, treaties, or charter. It seems to be common knowledge that all it takes to get the UN out of your hair is to shoot at the blue helmets. Once that happens they'll fold quicker than a cheap card table.

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