The last thing they need is the gaurd involved. Them guys would do anything there told to do. Which isn't always a good thing.
Your right, I haven't spent 20 years (with time in the sand box and Katrina) in the NG, From the Cavalry. to Maintenance and then MPs. (of which is made up of prison guards an LEOs on the civilian side). I have not seen the training on detaining and searching American civilians (with that as the mission scenario) I am glade your unit has the guts to stand up for the constitution. But the Military has no place in that roll. Because not everyone there thinks like me and you. And you know that, don't be naive. The more they do it the more it will be excepted. Just like the professional police subject on anther post. Please do not take this reply as rude I mean no offence. Thank you fro your service. "This we'll defend"murphy2 wrote:The last thing they need is the gaurd involved. Them guys would do anything there told to do. Which isn't always a good thing.
You obviously know nothing about the National Guard. I was in the California Guard during the Rodney King riots in 1992 and when we got orders to shoot any looters we flat out refused to do so because we didn't consider stealing aTV or some clothes to be something worth killing people for.
Contrary to what you obviously think, National Guardsmen are goodpeople who have morals and ethics. And are far, far from being the mindless thugs you obviously think they are.
murphy2 wrote:The last thing they need is the gaurd involved. Them guys would do anything there told to do. Which isn't always a good thing.
You obviously know nothing about the National Guard. I was in the California Guard during the Rodney King riots in 1992 and when we got orders to shoot any looters we flat out refused to do so because we didnt consider stealing aTV or some clothes to be something worth killing people for.
Contrary to what you obviously think, National Guardsmen are goodpeople who have morals and ethics. And are far, far from being the mindless thugs you obviously think they are.
Well this quickly got off track. Statements of absolutes will most always be wrong.
I agree that this is not the job of the National Guard. Chicago has a home grown gang and crime problem that they need to deal with using effective home grown law enforcement. Having thousands or tens of thousands of criminals in close proximity with millions of law abiding citizens creates a target rich environment. Ceasing the infringement of the citizens' RKBA essentially gives Chicago an auxilary police force of citizens who will refuse to be victimized any longer.
It is an interesting study of how government grows through disarmament though. Take the guns away from the citizens and otherwise deny they right to self-defense and the criminal element grows. Eventually the criminals are further emboldened and grow to a size that a typical domestic police force is unable to deal with them. So the authorities call in the National Guard which leads to greater unrest thereby further justifying military type tactics and armament to keep order. Eventually you have martial law and the military roaming the streets.
You are right. I can only speak of what I've seen and believe to be true. Just as in every organization there are good and bad andopinion is all it is. I will say, they did not ask or order us to shoot looters at Katrina. But there was a few itching to "defend them selves".Huck wrote:murphy2 wrote:The last thing they need is the gaurd involved. Them guys would do anything there told to do. Which isn't always a good thing.
You obviously know nothing about the National Guard. I was in the California Guard during the Rodney King riots in 1992 and when we got orders to shoot any looters we flat out refused to do so because we didnt consider stealing aTV or some clothes to be something worth killing people for.
Contrary to what you obviously think, National Guardsmen are goodpeople who have morals and ethics. And are far, far from being the mindless thugs you obviously think they are.
Hey Pal that's just your opinion, and your Unit. You can't speak for the Entire NG.
There is a reason you swear in against "Foreign & Domestic".
My point exactly. I should have spelled it out better than I did. You also have to remember the government /s have an interest in unrest. It justifies there existence.Well this quickly got off track. Statements of absolutes will most always be wrong.
I agree that this is not the job of the National Guard. Chicago has a home grown gang and crime problem that they need to deal with using effective home grown law enforcement. Having thousands or tens of thousands of criminals in close proximity with millions of law abiding citizens creates a target rich environment. Ceasing the infringement of the citizens' RKBA essentially gives Chicago an auxilary police force of citizens who will refuse to be victimized any longer.
It is an interesting study of how government grows through disarmament though. Take the guns away from the citizens and otherwise deny they right to self-defense and the criminal element grows. Eventually the criminals are further emboldened and grow to a size that a typical domestic police force is unable to deal with them. So the authorities call in the National Guard which leads to greater unrest thereby further justifying military type tactics and armament to keep order. Eventually you have martial law and the military roaming the streets.
You obviously know nothing about the National Guard. I was in the California Guard during the Rodney King riots in 1992 and when we got orders to shoot any looters we flat out refused to do so because we didnt consider stealing a TV or some clothes to be something worth killing people for.
deepdiver wrote:My point exactly. I should have spelled it out better than I did. You also have to remember the government /s have an interest in unrest. It justifies there existence.Well this quickly got off track. Statements of absolutes will most always be wrong.
I agree that this is not the job of the National Guard. Chicago has a home grown gang and crime problem that they need to deal with using effective home grown law enforcement. Having thousands or tens of thousands of criminals in close proximity with millions of law abiding citizens creates a target rich environment. Ceasing the infringement of the citizens' RKBA essentially gives Chicago an auxilary police force of citizens who will refuse to be victimized any longer.
It is an interesting study of how government grows through disarmament though. Take the guns away from the citizens and otherwise deny they right to self-defense and the criminal element grows. Eventually the criminals are further emboldened and grow to a size that a typical domestic police force is unable to deal with them. So the authorities call in the National Guard which leads to greater unrest thereby further justifying military type tactics and armament to keep order. Eventually you have martial law and the military roaming the streets.