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    First of all, I keep erroring out when I search the forums for Taurus 24/7, so don't accuse me of not having searched :P.

    I'm in the market for an inexpensive (<$600, preferably <$450), concealable .45ACP for general carry (Remember Texans can't OC yet). I've been kind of spoiled, as my Ruger P95 has been perfect in its operation. I'm only looking for a new CC, and for a 45,simply foradditional options (don't let anyone ever tell you you can't conceal a P95, but agree when they say the lump is among the more easy-to-spot when tucked IWB). Models under consideration include theRuger P345, M&P .45, Glock 30, S&W .45 Tactical, and Springfield 1911 GI Officer's model. Between size, capacity, ergo, reliability and safety issues, all of these have a downside I am concerned with. The M&P is the front-runner, but it's $500, a full-size double-stack .45which means concealing it poses a challenge, and I have some reservations about an SAO striker-fired design. First,hit a dud and it's tap-rack-squeeze; you don't get another chance at that cartridge. Second, the manual safety, where it exists,is just insanely easy to nudge off, and the gun was not AFAIK originally designed with one; coupled with a 5-lb trigger (it's crisp, I'll give it that)and a trigger latch that forms the entire lower half of the trigger face, the chances of an ND are IMO the highest of anything under consideration. Even the SA 1911 has a crisper safety and Glock's trigger latch is a little more resistant to shirttail catches. The other two have the safety I'm used to andhave confidence in, and decock when the safety's engaged.

    Iam starting to take acurious look at the Taurus 24/7 Pro and Pro Compact in .45ACP. Being striker-fired, it's in the vein of the M&P whichI like, and 12+1 capacity is the highest I've seen in a compact-slide pistol yet. The 24/7 .45ACPis also available with 3-dot sights which is preferable to me over the2-dot. Perhaps most importantly, the design is SA/DA;a pull of the trigger with the safety offwill send pin into primer every time, which the M&P and XD will not do.I have however heard and seen some disturbing things about Tauruses. First,it's a Taurus; just like Hyundai has yet to convince me their cars are worth looking at since my dad's mistake with the Excel 20 years ago, Tauri seem to have a reputation for unreliability in feeding and cyclingand when it just has to work you can't settle for something you don't trust. Second, there is a YouTube video floating around in which an issue with the safety is demonstrated; the safety apparently will not prevent the weapon firing if the trigger was pulled back when the safety was engaged. Rule 3 notwithstanding, if a weapon has a manual safety but I can't be sure it'll do the job, I will look elsewhere (the whole trust thing).

    After all that, my question to you guys is, are the 24/7 Pro and Pro C worth a look? At about $350 retail with better deals at gun showsit'd be the cheapest gun under consideration, andit's got the features I'm looking for (capacity, ergo, DA/SA operation and CC-friendly); if I can trusta new oneto do the job then I'll set their past history to the back of my mind when looking at them. If I can't, then I'll save a few hundred more for something I can.

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    I just purchased a 9mm 247PRO. My boss has the 45 24/7. Unless that dudes gun in the video was tampered with and removed the saftey internally, I find that very awkward. My boss' gun does not have that problem with his safety. I've heard people bash the Taurus name cuz it is "newer", whatever the case may be... I have not met someone who has had trouble with their 24/7.

    Also, take this into consideration. When I decided to buy my 24/7 from my personal gun dealer... 24/7 is the greatest value deal around.... he could have made a bigger profit pushing me towards another brand. But he didnt. when I told him i wanted the 24/7, all he said was... that is a great gun, they have been purchased a lot and everyone has loved them. No negative feedback.

    So, if you can buy from a legit dealer who isnt trying to smuggle a used but super clean gun into your hands... I wouldnt worry about it. Plus, it has a LIFETIME warranty if anything goes wrong.

    BUt that is my experience with the 24/7s. I will challenge a someone to a draw on a target with my 24/7 and i bet mine will fire just as well and reload itself as anyone elses haha.



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    Personally, I'm not fan of Taurus. Quality control is hit and miss and customer service is non existant. However, some folks, like Dr. Coy are happy with their Taurus pistols.

    I would recommend you take a look at Glock, Springfield's XD or S&W's M&P series if you want a polymer .45.

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    Ok, I have both a 24/7 in 9mm and also one in .45acp
    The 9mm rocks, eats anything I throw at it and has never failed me......on the other hand my .45 is very picky about what I shoot in it. I reload for many calibers and other 45's I've had were no issue. If you only plan to shoot factory ammo the .45 will be Ok. I'm not sure where you saw that they come with 3 dot sights because mine has the over/under (figure 8 ) sight and it SUCKS. Constantly shoots low, but I can compensate for that. On a scale from 1 - 10 I would give it a 6. I like it, but I like the 9mm version better.

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    First I will deal with the guns you are thinking about, then I will offer some food for thought:

    Ruger P345-Does not have track record of reliabilty that other Rugers have. Comparatively tough to find holsters and other accessories

    S&W .45 Tactical- Decent gun but a step child realitive to the M&P re factory support etc. Comparatively difficult to find holsters

    Springfield Officers 1911. If you want to carry a 1911, start with a 5 inch all steel gun. When you get away from an 5 inch all steel platform, the potential for reliabilty issues goes way up. Anybody who shoots people for a living with a 1911, does it with a 5 inch, all steel gun i.e. LAPD SWAT, FBI HRT, FBI SWAT, various Special Mission Units of the Armed Forces.

    Taurus 24/7. Climbing quality, hit or miss customer service, though many say that if you stick with it taurus will eventually do the right thing.



    If I were looking at a first pistol in .45 acp, I would be looking very hard at one of three

    1. They are all polymer lowered

    2. They all have triggers that feel the same every time you pull the trigger

    3. They all have reviewed well by multiple end users

    A. Glock 30

    B. Springfield XD

    C. Smith and Wesson M&P.

    In the interest of full disclosure I am very Glock oriented as my prior posts have indicated. Having said that there was no XD or M&P on the market when I started shooting pistols. I think the xd has issues re the grip safety (it must be fully depressed to run the slide)and the lack of available factory parts. Having said that,I know many people who switched from glock toxd because the xd feels very good in the hand. Many hard core 1911 shooters think if you are going to shoot a plastic gun, the xd is the one given how it sits in the hand relative to a 1911. XD mags fall free are are widely available. Moreover the xd in .45 is absolutely slimmer than a glock.45, as is the M&P.

    If I were a newbie today, I would give a real hard look at the M&Pbecause:

    i. It was originally engineered in .40 caliber then beefed up to .45 which is a lower pressure cartridge such that it should hold up

    ii. It has three diffrent sized removeable backstraps to fit a wide variety of hands

    iii. It has a metal magazine which easily falls free.

    I would make sure I got one that did not have the key lock or the magazine safety.

    Re Glock, a guy named Paul Howe(google him) wanted a compact .45. he went with a Glock 30. Given his backround, if it good enough for him, it would be good enough for me.

    While I understand your concern re concealing a full sized weapon, it is a very doable thing. You simply must:

    1. dress around the gun which means shirts and pants that are abit looser

    2. investing in a quality purpose made gun belt of a width which matches the slots on a quality holster

    YMMV

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    Thanks, Dojpros. Some good advice there.

    I am considering the Glock 30, but the original grip on these is just not a comfortable proposition. I have tried the G30SF and it's better, but pretty much every other gun i'm looking at has better ergos.

    The Springfield GI IS anall-steel 1911, and you can get it Parkerized or all-stainless (I think I'd do the latter). It'll definitely need a Hogue. If I got a 1911 I would have no doubts about buying a Springfield, even their low-end. I've heard Kimbers havea more troublesome break-in period, and this'll be a gun I might have to use before it's fully broken in.

    I have looked at the XD, and it's a fine pistol, but when you have fits of anal-retentiveness about soot in the nooks and crannies of your gun, a pistol with over 90 parts starts looking less appealing. My Ruger has roughly 40, I believe. A Glock has 30. I can't find a parts diagram (or manual ) available online for M&Ps but I'd expect they have fewer parts than the XD. I'd really like the XDm in .45, but currently it's only in .40Smith.

    If I get theM&P it will NOT have the MD or integral lock. It MIGHT havethe manual safety, but I'm kinda iffy about it (it's just ridiculously easy to nudge off). The trigger does break in decently and it is crisper by far than the Taurus, however even after break-in (I test-fired a range-rental M&P that had thousands of rounds through it), there was acatch to the trigger beforeall of it was taken up; felt like two seams rubbing against each other. That may be solved with some careful polishing, but it's something my Ruger never seemed to need and the Taurus seems smoother out of the box as well. The M&P is my front-runner, as I said; very well-put-together pistol, I just wish they'd make a compact even if they kept it full-frame.

    The PT 24/7 Pro and Pro C are available with 3-dot sights as well as withthe Heinie sights most Tauri have. I do not like the 2-dot either; it might be easier to line up vertically than three horizontal dots, but as you say it's difficult to quickly sight height, especially against a black backdrop. About the safety, I proved it myself at the store last night; if you take up some of the trigger and then hold it there while you flip the safety on, the trigger ends up on the "back side" of the catch and it will fire if you pull the trigger fully. Rule 3 thus applies when flipping on the safety.

    I'm nota realnewbie :P; I have a couple thousand rounds of real ammo under my belt, but probably not as much experience carrying as most here. I do conceal my P95 which is a pretty bulky gun for its size, soI know it can be done, but part of the reason I'm looking for a new carry gun is to find a slimmer one, so ending up with a bigger gun than my current carry is a little bit at cross-purposes. Doesn't mean that's not what I'll end up with, otherwise Taurus and Kahr would be the only finalists; the fact I'm looking at the M&P at all means I know it can be concealed if I really wanted to.

    So,I haven't discounted the Taurus; I think it's really down to between that and the M&P, and which one I get will be as dependent on cash supply as anything else.

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    Have you looked at the Taurus Millennium Pros? They're a bit smaller for CC only. I have one in 9mm and it eats through WWB all day long with no issues.

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    if your choice is down to between the M&P and the Taurus. Get the M&P. The price is pennies a day when spread out over the life of the weapon. Holsters and mag pouches abound for the M&P relative to the Taurus. Many LEOS agencies are going with the M&P because the one of the three backstraps will fit almost everyone's hand. Frankly, IMNSHO, the taurus is a second tier gun and climbing.

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    The quality of the Mill Pros can be spotty, and the PT145 is the most problem-prone of the series. When they work, they're decent guns for the money. You might luck out, you might not. The 24/7s and the Mill Pros share the same internals, the primary differences being in the barrel length and frame size.

    Given the choice between the 24/7 and the M&P, I'd definitely choose the M&P. Also in the <$500 price range, consider the Bersa Thunder 45 or an EAA Witness as well. The Steyr M-A1 used to be available for <$500, but not in .45 ACP.
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    dojpros wrote:
    Ruger P345-Does not have track record of reliabilty that other Rugers have. Comparatively tough to find holsters and other accessories
    From my experience, this is somewhat true. I've had a P345 for a few years now. Although I have not fired more than 1,000 rounds (close to it though) to fully break it in, it does jam every once in a while. I've been having better luck with different types of ammo though (I've been using UMC instead of WWB for bulk practice for the past few weeks, and it's been doing much better).

    As far as the holsters go, Fobus makes a roto-holster for it, and it fits size 15 Uncle Mike's holsters like a GLOVE. I got a sidekick IWB holster for it, and you can't even tell it's there when you wear a loose-fitting shirt.

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    Well as I only have a Taurus in 9mm... I cannot speak for the .45 truly.

    But what about... has anyone had experience with the Taurus 1911s?

    They have some new ones out. I havent heard much about them, they sure do look nice though. Have a lot of duo-tone choices.

    But as for my Tauri 9mm, I love it. Maybe Taurus is just a 9mm company?

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    I've got one of their .40s that I've put about800 rds through, with, no FTF or FTE. I really like my Taurus.




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    I carry the 24/7's "little brother" the millenium pro in .40S&W, so far I've had no problems with it, although I only have 500-600 rounds through it. I know with the milleniums there were some problems with the first and second generation of them, but at the time Taurus had just gotten into the polymer pistols market and their problems weren't any more prevalent than any other manufaturer that switched from all steel to polymer/steel. They suffered the same issues with trying something new that every manufacturer did, the only difference was that they didn't spend a fortune hyping their guns like other manufacturers so there was no "good PR" to counter the bad.

    As to the safety issue, with no round in the chamber and the gun not cocked, if you pull the trigger back between half and three quarters back before engaging the safety there is a possibility that the safety won't engage, but you have to have the trigger pulled nearly to the point that itll fire in DA mode to have that issue. If you're putting the safety on, obviously you aren't ready to fire, and where does the number one rule of gun safety say your finger shouldn't be until you're ready to fire? So yes, it can happen if you happen to be someone who doesn't comprehend basic gun safety.

    If you want a good source of info on Taurus firearms, check out taurusarmed.net, its where I ended up when deciding whether or not to get my millenium. You'll find far more satisfied owners than dissatisfied ones.

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    I've got the PT145PRO and I would highly reccommend it as a CC sidearm. The only time I have had a problem with mine was when I tried som CCI ammo in it. The ammo didn't build enough chamber pressure to fully cycle the slide, so be prepared for it to be a little picky with the cheaper ammo. Also keep this in mind, since they are compact, you need to shoot one before you purchase it because if you aren't used to firing a compact .45 caliber handgun the recoil can be kind of awkward especially if you have big hands like I do. If you can get used to the recoil you will abesolutely love this gun. Also, spend $30 on a set of fiber optic sights. The white dot Heine sights are great indoors but outside they just aren't bright enough.

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    I have a PT111 that I'd love to get fiberoptic sights on, but I don't know of any that fit. TruGlo doesn't make any to fit this gun. What kind do you use?

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    asforme wrote:
    I have a PT111 that I'd love to get fiberoptic sights on, but I don't know of any that fit. TruGlo doesn't make any to fit this gun. What kind do you use?
    Were you looking for something like this:

    http://www.williamsgunsight.com/gunsights/pistol.htm

    or more like this:

    http://store.ptnightsights.com/index...&parent=26

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    Never heard of williams, but those are almost exactly what I'm looking for. I Have TruGlo TFOs on my Glock (fiber optic with tritium in the front), but I think I appreciate the fiber even more than the tritium as the fiber are very bright in the daytime.

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    M&P Compact, the M&P's little brother.

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    Here is a review of the Taurus .45ACP 24/7 OSS by my favorite gun reviewer, Jeff at Gunblast:

    http://www.gunblast.com/Taurus-OSS45.htm


    There is a video on that page of him shooting it and he always gives a lot of detail and insight that tends to help me out better than other reviewers. He seemed to like it and he tends to speak his mind, so if he didn't you would know about it.

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    Custodian wrote:
    M&P Compact, the M&P's little brother.
    I would, but they don't make the compact in .45ACP; it's only in 9mm and .40 so far. They spent their R&D budget for the .45 Compact adding the manual safety to the full-size version for military contracts.

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    Liko81 wrote:
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    M&P Compact, the M&P's little brother.
    I would, but they don't make the compact in .45ACP; it's only in 9mm and .40 so far. They spent their R&D budget for the .45 Compact adding the manual safety to the full-size version for military contracts.
    So, first of all, did you check out the review of the Taurus I posted? Jeff seemed to like it, oh and he is great about responding to emails if you have any questions.


    The M&P compacts are significantly bigger than the Glock 26 and 27 as well. I like the feel of the M&P, but the size disappointed me a bit. It's in between the size of the G26/27 and the XDSC. The XDSC is downright large for a subcompact IMO. So far the Glock 26 is the smallest gun I've found in that category. That category being sub compact and something that you can shoot all day with full power 9mm loads. Of course there's the Kahr PM9 and Kel-Tec PF9, but those are very small and aren't meant for a whole lot of shooting (Especially with powerful loads).

    The 9mm is just fine, it's my favorite all around cartridge. Unless it's just that you want all of your guns in the same caliber, you should go with one of the compact M&P's if you like them. With today's awesome high quality ammunition there is very little difference between the 9mm, .40S&W and .45ACP! Plus, 9mm target ammo is WAY cheaper than .45ACP target ammo. I can get LE ammo (Such as Federal's +P HST and Winchester's Ranger +P+) in 9mm for around $20/50rds! Federal's 115gr +P+ 9BPLE is only $15/50rds! That is a proven stopper, used in countless police encounters with very high rates of success.

    People are always citing these 20 and 30 year old incidents in which some 9mm load didn't work and then claim that clearly the 9mm is worthless. That simply isn't true, especially with today's loads. The HST and Gold Dot in particular are spectacular loads.

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    I have proof my 9mm is efficient. want my targets? hehe

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    What kind of ammo do you like Dr. Coy?

    Right now my Glock 17 has 18rds of Winchester Ranger +P+ 115gr ammo and a backup 17rd mag of the same. My Glock 26 has 11rds of Extreme Shock Fang Face in it and a backup mag with 10rds of Federal +P+ 124gr Hydrashoks. I was using the HST, but I decided I would use the Hydrashoks instead because they expand a little bit less. The HST expands so nastily (Over .7") that I'm worried I will only get about 10" of penetration out of it due to the short barrel of the G26. In the Glock 17 it's not a concern, it should have enough velocity to get up around 12" or so. But while 10" out of the G26 would be fine most of the time, it might not be enough if I come across a 400 to 500 pounder. The Hydrashok seems to expand to around .6", which will give me a little more penetration and still has plenty of expansion. It's nit picking I know, but I want to have the best loads available if the time comes that I actually need them.

    When I order the Double Tap rounds for my S&W 642, I'm going to grab some of their 9mm 147gr +P Gold Dots for my G26 and some 124gr's for my G17 simply because winter is on the way and it will be time for me to move away from my 115gr's for a few months. Their 147gr is the nastiest load of that weight that I've found and the reports on the effect it has when used for hunting were incredible (Massive tissue and bone damage). I think, being 147gr, it will penetrate very well and they load it to a high enough velocity for me to think it will hit as hard as most of the lighter bullets offered by other manufacturers. It's a very mean 9mm round considering it weighs 147gr (1135fps / 421ft.lb. out of a 4.5" barrel, 1120fps out of a 4" barrel). If you haven't tried them out, check out their webpage. Their prices are extremely good at around $28/50rds. I like lightweight bullets when I'm using a bigger handgun that can really get them moving, the 115gr Gold Dot load they make travels at 1415fps making 511ft.lb. out of a 4.5" barrel!! That load is proof that the 9mm is just fine for self defense!

    http://www.doubletapammo.com/php/cat...hp?cPath=21_37

    The S&W 642 is loaded with Speer 135gr +P Gold Dots right now. I am going to order some more appropriate ammunition very soon though. I will be getting Double Tap's 125gr Gold Dot load which uses the low velocity Gold Dot and travels at 1100fps making 336ft.lb. out of a 1.875" barrel! That's insane performance for a .38 Special and I really want to get that load. It will make the 642 perform like it needs to. I'm also going to pick up some Extreme Shock 115gr Enhanced Penetration frangible rounds for it as well. I trust those to cause serious damage. Their .32ACP, .32NAA and 9mm rounds have taken down 200lb+ hogs without any difficulty, so you know their .38 Special will work well (They claim around 350ft.lb.).

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    Well for now I am comfy with my Federal Hydrashocks. They have fired fine and the mag loads them into my chamber without any issue. For now I will stick with it because it works with my weapon. I havent researched or tried any other round yet. But plan to when things slow down...

    And for the range I just use the Winchester White Box... cheap and never a feed problem. Target shooting is so much fun!

    I hope I never have to lift my gun to use in self defense... and if I never do... I will have a blast shooting targets.

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    I'm looking at both, and trying to decide which I like better. Ive heard about tritiums becoming basically white dot during the day, but ive also read several reviews of the fibre optics 'disapearring' in lowlight/cloudy/foggy situations. I'm leaning more towards the tritiums, white dot during the day is fine with me, no sights in fog, cloudy about to rain, dusk/dawn is not ok.

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