TheDuellist
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Hi gang,
If you've followed all the drama in my previous thread that has disappeared re: being detained, disarmed, ejected, and permanently banned from the Barnes & Noble on 2915 Pearl St in Boulder, then I have an update regarding the B&N position, not the police matter nor the "loaded while OC" issue.
I spoke with a Boulder PD officer yesterday and he called the store manager to verify that I was permanently banned for OC'ing there on Wed 7.16.08 on or around 1500 hours. The officer called me back to advise me that the store manager (not the one that had me ejected, Pam) said I was welcome back in the store as long as I left my handgun in the vehicle or at home. The officer then advised him to let Pam, the manager who had me ejected and trespassed out, know of the situation.
So, finally, I got hold of Pam today. I just wanted to know if 1) she asked to have me ejected and 2) if she told the police officer that I was permanently banned. I didn't want to muddy the fact-finding conversation by responding to any of her "gun fear" statements. She advised me that "carrying a gun in sight is not a thing they wish to encourage in the store" and "this is a family business and people bring their children in here" and that open carry is "a disturbing element." She said the police advised her I had a CCW and that if I had been carrying concealed it wouldn't have been an issue because she wouldn't have known. She said I was trespassed out and that she didn't say "permanently ban" but that I wasn't welcome back until I spoke with the manage (isn't "not welcome back under trespass" and permanently banned synonymous?). Weird that the ejecting officer left the "until i spoke with a manager" part out when telling me I could never come back there again and then refused to give me her name to verify. But anyway, I digress.....I am trespassed out of that site unless I want to speak with her manager, Kevin Fury (sp) and "come to terms with him about my exposure of a weapon in the store," whatever that means.
So, the Barnes & Noble on Pearl St in Boulder does not post signs adivsing no OC, and will not make contact with the OC'er to let them know (that's what the police are for, right?), but she was very clear that OC will not be tolerated on premises. So, any OC'ers have no way of knowing her/this business' intent on having you ejected if you OC on premise. It's almost as if they don't post and dont contact so they *can* call the police just to try to punish/rattle/teach you a lesson, but that's entirely my twisted, jaded opinion on the matter.
And, btw, I have the conversation recorded in its entirety.
I suppose what is left is to write corporate B&N and complain. Meh.
Edited for some color highlighting of transcript and N.B.
Hi gang,
If you've followed all the drama in my previous thread that has disappeared re: being detained, disarmed, ejected, and permanently banned from the Barnes & Noble on 2915 Pearl St in Boulder, then I have an update regarding the B&N position, not the police matter nor the "loaded while OC" issue.
I spoke with a Boulder PD officer yesterday and he called the store manager to verify that I was permanently banned for OC'ing there on Wed 7.16.08 on or around 1500 hours. The officer called me back to advise me that the store manager (not the one that had me ejected, Pam) said I was welcome back in the store as long as I left my handgun in the vehicle or at home. The officer then advised him to let Pam, the manager who had me ejected and trespassed out, know of the situation.
So, finally, I got hold of Pam today. I just wanted to know if 1) she asked to have me ejected and 2) if she told the police officer that I was permanently banned. I didn't want to muddy the fact-finding conversation by responding to any of her "gun fear" statements. She advised me that "carrying a gun in sight is not a thing they wish to encourage in the store" and "this is a family business and people bring their children in here" and that open carry is "a disturbing element." She said the police advised her I had a CCW and that if I had been carrying concealed it wouldn't have been an issue because she wouldn't have known. She said I was trespassed out and that she didn't say "permanently ban" but that I wasn't welcome back until I spoke with the manage (isn't "not welcome back under trespass" and permanently banned synonymous?). Weird that the ejecting officer left the "until i spoke with a manager" part out when telling me I could never come back there again and then refused to give me her name to verify. But anyway, I digress.....I am trespassed out of that site unless I want to speak with her manager, Kevin Fury (sp) and "come to terms with him about my exposure of a weapon in the store," whatever that means.
So, the Barnes & Noble on Pearl St in Boulder does not post signs adivsing no OC, and will not make contact with the OC'er to let them know (that's what the police are for, right?), but she was very clear that OC will not be tolerated on premises. So, any OC'ers have no way of knowing her/this business' intent on having you ejected if you OC on premise. It's almost as if they don't post and dont contact so they *can* call the police just to try to punish/rattle/teach you a lesson, but that's entirely my twisted, jaded opinion on the matter.
And, btw, I have the conversation recorded in its entirety.
I suppose what is left is to write corporate B&N and complain. Meh.
Edited for some color highlighting of transcript and N.B.