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    Check out this thread on another forum and you might learn something about:

    1. People that are ignorant
    2. People that are close-minded
    3. People that don't know the law

    This thread is not meant to bash anyone, just point out some misconceptions and inaccurate views amongst a specific group of people.

    Open Carry

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    Too bad non-LE can't be members.

    We could register and maybe persuade them.

    It occurs to me however that, after all our LE contacts and effort across the country, why aren't there any LE on their forums defending us?

    At least on our forum we have people defending LE.

    Hmmmmm.
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    Citizen wrote:
    Too bad non-LE can't be members.

    We could register and maybe persuade them.

    It occurs to me however that, after all our LE contacts and effort across the country, why aren't there any LE on their forums defending us?

    At least on our forum we have people defending LE.

    Hmmmmm.
    It did NOT say ANYWHERE that a NON-LEO could NOT be a member. So I registered:celebrate.

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    UTOC-45-44 wrote:
    Citizen wrote:
    Too bad non-LE can't be members.

    We could register and maybe persuade them.

    It occurs to me however that, after all our LE contacts and effort across the country, why aren't there any LE on their forums defending us?

    At least on our forum we have people defending LE.

    Hmmmmm.
    It did NOT say ANYWHERE that a NON-LEO could NOT be a member. So I registered:celebrate.

    TJ
    Says this at the top:
    "These Are Private Forums for Law Enforcement. We Reserve the Right to Remove Non-LEO Members, Anti-LE or Inappropriate Posts and Users Without Warning."

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    What's actually hilarious about that site is the fact that non-LEO aren't prohibited, they just get to be removed at any time for any reason. They also have all kinds of special sections that non-LEO aren't allowed to post in.


    I don't suppose I need to elaborate on my immediate reaction to that. :quirky

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    D94R wrote:
    After reading a few of the other threads on that forum this one falls right in line.:?
    Yeah I came across a thread on that forum about photography rights. All the law enforcement officers on the site said that simply taking pictures in public gave the officers enough reasonable suspicion that they could make a Terry stop and demand ID of the photographer. The guy who started the thread was a photographer that had been hassled by police and he keeps his ID in his car not on him. He was very professional but the law enforcement people on the thread told him he was wrong (even when he quoted laws) and they said they could stop and detain him because he could be a terrorist and they had the right to stop and question him to make sure he wasn't.

    I have seen several videos of cops harassing people filming them and even one video of a guy getting assaulted. The cop tried to move to the side and thought he was off camera and he charged the guy from the side assaulted him and then arrested him.

    Photographers and people with video cameras have as many problems if not more than OCers.

    This isn't a LE bash. I used to work closely with LE and most are great guys but there are the few bad who stand out that are willfully ignorant of laws, and have god complexes.

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    After looking at some other posts I don't think Sarkis is an officer.

    Edit: He isn't an officer. He is only 20

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    Do you have to be 21 to be a peace officer?

    I had never heard of that.

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    Please show me a domestic terrorist incident in which a camera was used.

    Or are they worried about those new "death ray" cameras?

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    "People that open carry are the people who A) Want to be targeted to have something to complain about B) Are stupid"
    Sarkis----forums.officer.com Member----


    Well that sucks.

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    It depends on the state. Some states the minimum is 18, others is 20, 21, etc. I believe in Utah the minimum age is 21. If you look at SLPD or any other PD in the state at their requirements it says you have to be at least 21.

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    He, I just hadn't heard that.

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    Cykaos wrote:
    He was very professional but the law enforcement people on the thread told him he was wrong (even when he quoted laws) and they said they could stop and detain him because he could be a terrorist and they had the right to stop and question him to make sure he wasn't.
    What always strikes me as funny about those sorts of comments is that the officers really appear to believe that by asking a few questions they can determine if he's a terrorist.

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    I registered for the site as well. Can't be a bad source of info every now and then...

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    ProtectedBy9mm wrote:
    "People that open carry are the people who A) Want to be targeted to have something to complain about B) Are stupid"
    Sarkis----forums.officer.com Member----


    Well that sucks.
    The only people I have ever read about targeting OCers, is law enforcement. Many from that forum, from the link posted, seemed very civil about the OC issue.

    I really get a kick out of name calling, especially from supposed professionals. It is usually a last resort of the weak minded, when nothing else can be said and a sure sign that their original argument could not hold water. Let this remind everyone that LEO's arehuman too, and canfall backon name calling when all else fails.

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    "The day open carry becomes common is the day bad guys start to open carry in order to lull us into a sense of security."

    Such flawed logic. I can't even believe it.

    I would like to refer all of you to this thread

    http://forums.officer.com/forums/sho...=1#post1340839

    unfortunately, only myself and LEOs can post in that particular thread.

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    *sigh*

    "I don't like people and they don't like me (due to LEO status). I am introduced at parties as the cop. I am yelled at on the streets. I don't trust any of them. They don't like me and I don't like them. This was not the case before I became a cop. This has come to pass because of all the horrible things I have heard about cops from people I have chosen to protect. I will still protect them and I will gladly make that ultimate sacrifice for one of them, but they don't deserve it. This vocation is a calling, not just a job."

    "I don't dislike people, I just don't trust them.....AT ALL."

    "I'm with most other cops...I dislike most people, and don't trust anyone."

    "There are 3 kinds of people in the world:

    The Cops,
    The Criminals,
    and the Potential Criminals.

    Where do you fit?"

    "I'm not a racist, I hate everybody. All get treated like doggy doo until proven otherwise. And no, I would not make the ultimate sacrifice to save someone. Sorry, but I got a daughter to think about and she comes first. So, if your ex-hubby has a gun to your head and you expect me to do something other than take a shot from a distance, I hope you know your prayers, because I'm waiting it out unless he takes a shot at me. If you happen to be in the way of my return fire, oh well. Maybe you should have dumped him a few years ago when you found he was a abusive, pot smoking meth head. And yes, I know he only beats you because he loves you."

    These are all quotes from sworn police officers across the country.

    I used to respect all LEOs, until they did something to lose that respect.

    I have now officially reversed that process.

    Raised by a LEO. Used to think the world of them.

    Very, very disappointed.


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    thx997303 wrote:
    *sigh*

    "I don't like people and they don't like me (due to LEO status). I am introduced at parties as the cop. I am yelled at on the streets. I don't trust any of them. They don't like me and I don't like them. This was not the case before I became a cop. This has come to pass because of all the horrible things I have heard about cops from people I have chosen to protect. I will still protect them and I will gladly make that ultimate sacrifice for one of them, but they don't deserve it. This vocation is a calling, not just a job."

    "I don't dislike people, I just don't trust them.....AT ALL."

    "I'm with most other cops...I dislike most people, and don't trust anyone."

    "There are 3 kinds of people in the world:

    The Cops,
    The Criminals,
    and the Potential Criminals.

    Where do you fit?"

    "I'm not a racist, I hate everybody. All get treated like doggy doo until proven otherwise. And no, I would not make the ultimate sacrifice to save someone. Sorry, but I got a daughter to think about and she comes first. So, if your ex-hubby has a gun to your head and you expect me to do something other than take a shot from a distance, I hope you know your prayers, because I'm waiting it out unless he takes a shot at me. If you happen to be in the way of my return fire, oh well. Maybe you should have dumped him a few years ago when you found he was a abusive, pot smoking meth head. And yes, I know he only beats you because he loves you."

    These are all quotes from sworn police officers across the country.

    I used to respect all LEOs, until they did something to lose that respect.

    I have now officially reversed that process.

    Raised by a LEO. Used to think the world of them.

    Very, very disappointed.
    Wow. Thats freakin depressing. i mean, you always kinda think thats how the think of civilians. I mean, were not even just tlking about OCers..

    "There are 3 kinds of people in the world:

    The Cops,
    The Criminals,
    and the Potential Criminals.

    Where do you fit?
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    ...Just, wow. So, im 'no good', or potentially 'no good', unless i am a cop? nice...

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    ProtectedBy9mm wrote:
    Wow. Thats freakin depressing. i mean, you always kinda think thats how the think of civilians. I mean, were not even just tlking about OCers..
    Just a technicality, but an important one in light of our growing paramilitary police state. Police are civilians too.

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    asforme wrote:
    ProtectedBy9mm wrote:
    Wow. Thats freakin depressing. i mean, you always kinda think thats how the think of civilians. I mean, were not even just tlking about OCers..
    Just a technicality, but an important one in light of our growing paramilitary police state. Police are civilians too.
    thats the thought i was operating on until i read some of those LEOs quotes. Did you visit that site?

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    asforme wrote:
    ProtectedBy9mm wrote:
    Wow. Thats freakin depressing. i mean, you always kinda think thats how the think of civilians. I mean, were not even just tlking about OCers..
    Just a technicality, but an important one in light of our growing paramilitary police state. Police are civilians too.
    OMG! This is the crap that only reaffirms my distrust of the police. It has always been my position that they have WAY too much power and authority to trample all over your rights if they want to. Who is the court going to believe, you or the cop? It's always in their favor not matter what unless you have solid proof against their word... How is it again... "guilty until proven innocent"..? If that's not ass backwards and twisted, I don't know what the hell is.

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    asforme wrote:
    ProtectedBy9mm wrote:
    Wow. Thats freakin depressing. i mean, you always kinda think thats how the think of civilians. I mean, were not even just tlking about OCers..
    Just a technicality, but an important one in light of our growing paramilitary police state. Police are civilians too.
    Webster sez:

    Civilian

    1:a specialist in Roman or modern civil law
    2 a:one not on active duty in the armed services or not on a police or firefighting force b: outsider

    The word "civilian" can apply to non-police as well as non-soldiers.

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    If you read the rest of the posts on the thread I posted, it only affirms this.

    It's a sad thing this kind of stuff.

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