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    http://www.sao.co.st-clair.il.us/sexalt.asp
    • Talking your way out of a situation.
    • Telling the rapist you're pregnant, menstruating, or afflicted with a communicable disease can be an effective ploy.
    • Faking submission and waiting for an appropriate opportunity to make an escape.
    • Urinating, defecating, or vomiting.

    So, in addition to being raped, you can degrade yourself for an extra bonus. Imagine saying "don't rape me, I have AIDS" and him responding "It's ok, I do too!"

    Their "fighting back" section is interesting

    • If you choose to fight, fight effectively. A half-hearted attempt at resistance could be worse than no resistance at all.
    • Before initiating a physical defense, you should be aware of your capabilities-both physical and mental. If you cannot imagine yourself exerting whatever force necessary to ward off an attacker, then perhaps a more passive approach is more viable for you.
    • Have some idea of what you intend to do should you be attacked. If you have given prior thought to the matter, you will be better prepared to avoid debilitating panic.
    • Self defense classes aimed at teaching everyday defensive maneuvers can help build confidence.
    • Don't underestimate the power of your voice as an effective defensive tool. If you feel your voice may fail you when you need it most, practice screaming.

    So, your voice is an effective weapon to combat rape. Practice screaming. But don't practice carrying a gun. If you don't think you are strong enough to fight back, then fall back to vomiting on yourself. If neither of those work, just go along with it.

    Got it! Thanks government.



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    complete joke

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    I'd laugh if it wasn't so sad. Most self-defense classes are a joke as well; my sisters took some. Kneeing the instructor, that isn't even giving it 5% effort, in the balls is a far cry fromtaking downa guy that hell bent on raping you.Can't wait until my gf is old enough to carry.

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    hsmith wrote:
    http://www.sao.co.st-clair.il.us/sexalt.asp
    • Talking your way out of a situation.
    • Telling the rapist you're pregnant, menstruating, or afflicted with a communicable disease can be an effective ploy.
    • Faking submission and waiting for an appropriate opportunity to make an escape.
    • Urinating, defecating, or vomiting.
    So, in addition to being raped, you can degrade yourself for an extra bonus. Imagine saying "don't rape me, I have AIDS" and him responding "It's ok, I do too!"

    Their "fighting back" section is interesting
    • If you choose to fight, fight effectively. A half-hearted attempt at resistance could be worse than no resistance at all.
    • Before initiating a physical defense, you should be aware of your capabilities-both physical and mental. If you cannot imagine yourself exerting whatever force necessary to ward off an attacker, then perhaps a more passive approach is more viable for you.
    • Have some idea of what you intend to do should you be attacked. If you have given prior thought to the matter, you will be better prepared to avoid debilitating panic.
    • Self defense classes aimed at teaching everyday defensive maneuvers can help build confidence.
    • Don't underestimate the power of your voice as an effective defensive tool. If you feel your voice may fail you when you need it most, practice screaming.
    So, your voice is an effective weapon to combat rape. Practice screaming. But don't practice carrying a gun. If you don't think you are strong enough to fight back, then fall back to vomiting on yourself. If neither of those work, just go along with it.

    Got it! Thanks government.

    This is hillarious!

    "Don't rape me, I am crack addicted, pregnant woman and have HIV. I am also prone to vomiting and uncontrollable defecating and urinating so don't be alarmed. If you should continue to rape me I will not resist unless I THINK I can suceed, so just make sure you hold me down tight. Oh, and I may try to scream, so don't forget the gag."

    Perhaps it would be better to arm yourself and be aware of your surroundings to make every reasonable attempt to not become a victim in the first place, then you don't have to degrade yourself.

    But what I find more troubling than the above statement is that in they consider rape to be against a woman!! Not a man! Men can be raped too!

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    Well, I got a very good female friend of mine, who lives in a Philly suburb, who works and goes to school in Philly, and who is anti-gun, to start carrying OC spray... I'm working on her.

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    Theseus wrote:
    This is hillarious!

    "Don't rape me, I am crack addicted, pregnant woman and have HIV. I am also prone to vomiting and uncontrollable defecating and urinating so don't be alarmed. If you should continue to rape me I will not resist unless I THINK I can suceed, so just make sure you hold me down tight. Oh, and I may try to scream, so don't forget the gag."

    Perhaps it would be better to arm yourself and be aware of your surroundings to make every reasonable attempt to not become a victim in the first place, then you don't have to degrade yourself.

    But what I find more troubling than the above statement is that in they consider rape to be against a woman!! Not a man! Men can be raped too!
    +1 Excellent job pointing out the absurdity of their position.
    Bob Owens @ Bearing Arms (paraphrased): "These people aren't against violence; they're very much in favor of violence. They're against armed resistance."

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    I'm helping my girlfriend buy a gun and taking her to the range. Her first and only course of action if she is being raped will be to shoot the ***** (no pun intended). She works late and is soon to start night classes; I will be at least somewhat comforted once she gets her CHP and can carry.

    That just dumbfounds me ,as well as angers, that that is their official stance on it.




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    That just dumbfounds me ,as well as angers, that that is their official stance on it.


    It really is jacked up. Seriously, do the LEO's in IL tell this same crap to their mothers, wives and girlfriends?

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    trailblazer2003 wrote:
    curtiswr wrote:
    That just dumbfounds me ,as well as angers, that that is their official stance on it.


    It really is jacked up. Seriously, do the LEO's in IL tell this same crap to their mothers, wives and girlfriends?
    The ones that I know? Absolutely not. I've been scuba diving with several IL LEOs and one of my parent's best friends is now retired ILSP. I don't know about northern IL LEOs, but from what I gather, in southern IL and rural areas as far north as Champaign-Urbana there is a HUGE disconnect between what the LEO administrators, especially in the ILSP, think and say and what the LEOs on the street think. My parent'sLEO friend encouraged my mother to get a handgun, offered to walk her through the FOID process, help her pick it out and to take her to the range and give her as much training as she wanted in it's use.
    Bob Owens @ Bearing Arms (paraphrased): "These people aren't against violence; they're very much in favor of violence. They're against armed resistance."

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    My guess... written by someone who has not had it happen and is not prepared physically or mentally for it to happen.

    My wife has heard this response before, and it make her blood boil each time it does...

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    curtiswr wrote:
    Her first and only course of action if she is being raped will be to shoot the *****
    I'd recommend telling her to shoot center mass instead. Hitting such a tiny target is going to be really difficult.

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    deepdiver wrote:
    trailblazer2003 wrote:
    curtiswr wrote:
    That just dumbfounds me ,as well as angers, that that is their official stance on it.


    It really is jacked up. Seriously, do the LEO's in IL tell this same crap to their mothers, wives and girlfriends?
    The ones that I know? Absolutely not. I've been scuba diving with several IL LEOs and one of my parent's best friends is now retired ILSP. I don't know about northern IL LEOs, but from what I gather, in southern IL and rural areas as far north as Champaign-Urbana there is a HUGE disconnect between what the LEO administrators, especially in the ILSP, think and say and what the LEOs on the street think. My parent'sLEO friend encouraged my mother to get a handgun, offered to walk her through the FOID process, help her pick it out and to take her to the range and give her as much training as she wanted in it's use.
    Illinois does have vastly different attitudes depending on how far north or south you live. It is nice to know that some LEO's will do what they can to help a person learn to protect themselves, at least at home. I still can't help but wonder how many LEO spouses are actually carrying concealed in IL. I'm betting there is a percentage, and it is probably know to the departments they live near. Guess you could add certain spouses to the list of mayors, PI's, alderman, etc that get to conceal carry.

    Who knows, maybe i'm wrong.

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    swillden wrote:
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    Her first and only course of action if she is being raped will be to shoot the *****
    I'd recommend telling her to shoot center mass instead. Hitting such a tiny target is going to be really difficult.
    Hey now, I said no pun intended.

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    My father is an LEO in Cook County (I know, I know, hold on) and is a very gun friendly guy. He has the same morales and beliefs as many people on here. Sure, he has to infringe on people's rights all the time, however, he has no choice, it's his job. I've found that most cops in Northern IL think the laws are ********, most of the people think so too.

    I think it's just the politicians that don't want guns around. they are the only ones stopping us. I'm sure if we all gave them a nice friendly visit in the middle of Chicago (say a million people?) protesting the gun laws in the city, maybe it would send a real message, but it wouldn't do anything. The politicians still control the laws. Until we get them out, nothing's gonna change. That is, unless, if the Heller case doesn't change it for us in the near future.

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    Wow this is unreal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I live in the Seattle area and sit in Starbucks every morning in the safeway near where I live with my Para Companion hanging out .The only thing a LEo ever said to me was "What do you carry.? Have a good day"One guy standing in line behind me said "I'll feel safer with you standing in line than not.These Il. laws I have been hearing about are the most insane thing I have ever heard of.

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    My father is an LEO in Cook County (I know, I know, hold on) and is a very gun friendly guy. He has the same morales and beliefs as many people on here. Sure, he has to infringe on people's rights all the time, however, he has no choice, it's his job. I've found that most cops in Northern IL think the laws are bull@#$%, most of the people think so too.

    I think it's just the politicians that don't want guns around. they are the only ones stopping us. I'm sure if we all gave them a nice friendly visit in the middle of Chicago (say a million people?) protesting the gun laws in the city, maybe it would send a real message, but it wouldn't do anything. The politicians still control the laws. Until we get them out, nothing's gonna change. That is, unless, if the Heller case doesn't change it for us in the near future.
    I hope you are right about cops in Northern Illinois. I was at a Second Amendment Freedom Rally in Chicago on July 11. To show you how screwed up Chicago is not only is handgun carry banned, but so is carry of knives with blades over 2" and pepper spray. I normally carry a Kimber pepper spray unit which is legal in the rest of the state as are longer bladed knives.

    The media in Chicago is very anti-gun. The Second Amendment Rally was attended by a conservative estimate of 500 or 600 people. The Chicago Tribune and Chicago Sun Times did not report on the event, though some media people were there and someone saw someone with a Tribune ID tag. The Tribune will report on Jesse Jackson and a dozen demonstrators demonstrating at a Chicago gun shop however.

    Someone said that about 1500 pieces of literature were handed out at the Second Amendment Rally, so some people were reached with the message.

    WhiteRabbit22, You might try open carrying in some unincorporated area around Chicago and see how your theory on the majority of cops in Northern Illinois being pro-gun works out.

    Winnebago County may be the exception for gun friendlyness, they have a resolution coming before their county board to issue concealed carry permits for the county and possibly "allow" open carry with an Illinois Firearm Owners ID card.






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    Can,t believe sometimes what I read about in Illinois.To illustrate the difference(I live near the airport in Seattle) Here is what happened to me when I walked up to the store earlier todayto by smokes.

    I was just walking back from 7-11 from picking up smokes.(in Seatac)These 2 LEO"S in unmarked SUV just pulled up along side real fast.They had huge smiles on their faces.the driver said .We had to stop,not everday we see a guy walking down international blvd with a gun on his hip..I then said politely "this is an open carry state is it not?" He said "yeah ,but we just don,t see it every day we had to look"He asked do you live around here?"I said yeah I live in --------------Apts."They both kind of laughed and said" I'd be carrying my gun to if I lived there" They drove off kind of chuckleing and said "have a good night ,be safe."Off they went.I got to say these guys were great.They had a laugh over the whole thing. Did not ask for ID ,name or anything.And being inNice shorts and a microsoft golf shirt probably could see I was not the bad guy.Being in an unmarked SUV I couldn,t tell if they were Demoines or seatac officers.It,s nice to see goodcops that concern themselves with the real bad guys....

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    junglebob wrote:
    WhiteRabbit22 wrote: Winnebago County may be the exception for gun friendlyness, they have a resolution coming before their county board to issue concealed carry permits for the county and possibly "allow" open carry with an Illinois Firearm Owners ID card.
    JB - How is the resolution progressing? Any state backlash yet, are they waiting to see the end result?

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    I looked at the page linked in the original post of this thread. Wow, not 1 word about using any tool in the section on active defense. No mention of knife, pepper spray,or even stabbing the attacker with a key or comb. Why don't they just come out and state what they really mean: "don't even think about defending yourself, just hope you live through it"?

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    hsmith wrote:
    Their "fighting back" section is interesting
    • If you choose to fight, fight effectively. A half-hearted attempt at resistance could be worse than no resistance at all.
    • Before initiating a physical defense, you should be aware of your capabilities-both physical and mental. If you cannot imagine yourself exerting whatever force necessary to ward off an attacker, then perhaps a more passive approach is more viable for you.
    • Have some idea of what you intend to do should you be attacked. If you have given prior thought to the matter, you will be better prepared to avoid debilitating panic.
    • Self defense classes aimed at teaching everyday defensive maneuvers can help build confidence.
    • Don't underestimate the power of your voice as an effective defensive tool. If you feel your voice may fail you when you need it most, practice screaming.
    Actually their "fighting back" section is good advice in combination with a firearm.

    Let me paraphrase them as they apply to firearms

    1- Shoot to kill
    2- Don't draw your weapon unless you're ready to use it
    3- Be aware of what is around you
    4- Practice, practice, practice
    5- Order them to cease their activities while holding them at gunpoint (best I could come up with)

    I'm sure Illinois doesn't allow their citizens to own pepper spray, tasers, or knives either. If you're going to be a criminal for defending yourself you might as well make your defensive weapon the most effective you can get.

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    The one ironic thing about this thread is that I don't think anyone posting in it has any fear of getting raped. Probably the person who came up with the tips doesn't either. One thing that does stand out in this lis is:

    If you choose to fight, fight effectively. A half-hearted attempt at resistance could be worse than no resistance at all.

    I cannot who made this comment but was raked over the coals repeatedly for it"When rape is eneviatble, just go ahead and enjoy it". Sounds terrible but may be something to it. Rape is and act of violence not sex. Very few rapes are for teh sexual pleasure but rather for the power and control over their victim. A half hearted resistance is exactly what they want. In fact insame cases if the victim doesn't fight back then they don't care about it at all.

    This is not to say anything other than be prepared and a gun, knive, mace, pepper spray or baseball bat is a start for protection. But what if you don't have any of those, are you suppose to say wait, I don't have my gun on me because I can't carry right now but I am protesting with my empty holster.

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    I cannot who made this comment but was raked over the coals repeatedly for it"When rape is eneviatble, just go ahead and enjoy it". Sounds terrible but may be something to it. Rape is and act of violence not sex.
    It was a commonly accepted myth created by the anti self defense fanatics like Sara Brady. The media bought and sold it so well for a time it was even taught in schools as the correct thing to do. Until the body count began to sky rocket, being passive will get a woman killed. Having had family members brutally raped and having spent years working with rape victims everytime I hear that one I want to bend tha ahole saying it over and tell him just enjoy it while I give them a wood rasp enema. SICK STUPID advice that got lots of women killed. Trash put out and perpetuated by idiots who have no clue what they are talking about but run off at the mouth clueless because after all what do they care if some woman they do not know gets killed fro listening to their stupidity

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    In fact insame cases if the victim doesn't fight back then they don't care about it at all.
    Really can you cite one instance of that being a fact or is that just an assumtion you are willing to bet womens lives on? If it is sound advice have your sister and mother follow it. When you attend their funneral you will know who got them there. I'll be happy to tell you I told you so

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    This is not to say anything other than be prepared and a gun, knive, mace, pepper spray or baseball bat is a start for protection. But what if you don't have any of those, are you suppose to say wait, I don't have my gun on me because I can't carry right now but I am protesting with my empty holster.
    What a woman is supposed to do is fight with everything anything she has. Fight as if her life depended upon it because it does.

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    I cannot who made this comment but was raked over the coals repeatedly for it"When rape is eneviatble, just go ahead and enjoy it". Sounds terrible but may be something to it. Rape is and act of violence not sex.
    It was a commonly accepted myth created by the anti self defense fanatics like Sara Brady. The media bought and sold it so well for a time it was even taught in schools as the correct thing to do. Until the body count began to sky rocket, being passive will get a woman killed. Having had family members brutally raped and having spent years working with rape victims everytime I hear that one I want to bend tha ahole saying it over and tell him just enjoy it while I give them a wood rasp enema. SICK STUPID advice that got lots of women killed. Trash put out and perpetuated by idiots who have no clue what they are talking about but run off at the mouth clueless because after all what do they care if some woman they do not know gets killed fro listening to their stupidity
    I would never recommend that to anyone but it is like asking a person tied to the stake in front of a firing squad if they want a cigarette. Or perhaps an man standing with a noose around his neck for last words. If you are going to die or get raped or whatever what are you supposed to do? There would be no way that any normal woman or person could ever enjoy being raped but makes about as much sense as saying stop.

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    In fact insame cases if the victim doesn't fight back then they don't care about it at all.
    Really can you cite one instance of that being a fact or is that just an assumtion you are willing to bet womens lives on? If it is sound advice have your sister and mother follow it. When you attend their funneral you will know who got them there. I'll be happy to tell you I told you so
    Are you trying to say that rape is not an act of violence? If so then you are crazy. Rape is a feeling of power and control. It really doesn't matter if it is all out criminal rape or date rape. If there is no resistance then a large part of the thrill for many is gone. Most or almost all will still go through with it but the satisfaction that they thought is no longer there.

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    This is not to say anything other than be prepared and a gun, knive, mace, pepper spray or baseball bat is a start for protection. But what if you don't have any of those, are you suppose to say wait, I don't have my gun on me because I can't carry right now but I am protesting with my empty holster.
    What a woman is supposed to do is fight with everything anything she has. Fight as if her life depended upon it because it does.
    The whole point I wa trying to make is in a rape case there is no almost, no half hearted and no maybes. If you aren't going to fight with everything you have then there is no use in trying to resist. You are exactly correct that her life depends on it. Its like shooting to wound or firing a warning shot. If you are not committed to defending yourself then you have lost.
    BTW - I have three daughters so yes I have an interest in this topic.

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    If there is no resistance then a large part of the thrill for many is gone. Most or almost all will still go through with it but the satisfaction that they thought is no longer there.
    So the rapist is not satisfied that makes the woman less raped how? Fact is the rapist WILL get his satisfaction one way or the other if the woman does not fight for all she is worth.

    Rather than respond point by point as it it starting to get to be a mess. I will try to reply to your post generally If I miss something let me know. You tell them to fight and keep fighting with whatever they have however they can. What I told my daughters is to fight no matter what happens no matter how badly they are hurt they are to FiGHT bite it off do everything and anything that is needed. FIGHT get away

    What was found out was the advise of going along with it act like you enjoy it was that it got women hurt and hundreds killed. You are right rape is not about sex it is about rage, power control and dominance. There is no sense of power control and dominance if the victim is playing along. Not once not ever did the rapist lose interest and just walk away or stop. Instead they would escalate they would maim mutilate and kill their victims to assert their power control and dominance. If the victim acted like they liked it they would get it in a way the rapist was sure they did not like it. That is why I said that tactic got women killed not because it is an ineffective tactic (which it is) but because it would enrage the rapist further and did cause women to get killed who may not have been otherwise. The rapist's violence increased, many rapists who were not homicidal came to be homicidal to get their sick jollies off. Often once a rapist kills the killing not rape becomes their fix. the ultimate power and control fix. They progress from serial rapist to serial killer and there are far more of them than you may imagine. One example is I interviewed Ken Bianchi the Hillside Strangler. The first woman he killed he killed unintentionally By the time he was caught and he said this he no longer needed to take his pants off their death throws did it for him. The evidence supports that. His last victims were not raped.
    Granted that sick maggot is an extreme example still he is not that different Rapists hate and despise women, when one of their victims plays along or acts like they like it. That validates for the rapist that women are dirty ******, it plays into their anger, it enrages them and as I said the violence escalates so they can prove they are the ones in control in power and to punish the dirty *****
    My daughters have grown up taking martial arts classes, in high school they carried covert non weapon weapons. Off school grounds they carried knives once they are 21 they will carry guns. They will never ever play along give in or act like they like it. Instead they will.. well do what is needed they will fight.
    An aside women who get raped often feel at fault that it is their fault. Yes we all know how wrong and insane that thought is. So do they but it does not change how they feel. Women who fought for all they were worth have an easier time getting past that guilt and shame. Easier is not the best word there is nothing easy about any of it for any of these beautiful ladies these animals do so much damage too
    Anyway what you tell your little girls is to fight for all they are worth. That at least gives them a chance to come home to you alive and not in a box. That is what I told and continue to tell my babies and every single woman I love and care about.

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    curtiswr wrote:
    I'm helping my girlfriend buy a gun and taking her to the range. Her first and only course of action if she is being raped will be to shoot the ***** (no pun intended). She works late and is soon to start night classes; I will be at least somewhat comforted once she gets her CHP and can carry.

    That just dumbfounds me ,as well as angers, that that is their official stance on it.


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