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thx997303

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I have started to run more, since yo101jimmy started running with me, and we are planning on running 7 milers, (okay some walking) (okay, probably a lot of walking)

Anyway, for a longer run such as this, I would like to have my weapon with me, but don't want to OC. So how could I keep the firearm with me without having it concealed?
 
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You don't want to OC or CC? I wonder if you stick it where the sun don't shine if that's considered concealed... :shock:

haha j/k, but I don't know what you mean. You could securely encase it, but that seems bothersome. If you have your CC permit, check out: www.smartcarry.com
 
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I don't have my permit. I'm only almost 20.

I guess maybe I'll have to have it securely encased. Sigh.

I don't want to OC, because it would interrupt my run and screw up my heart rate if I had to stop to talk to a LEO.
 
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Sounds like you need a taser or pepper spray. I really don't think you'll want to run with a locked case in your hands.
 
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I wear a hydration pack, and if that would count as securely encased than I would be good. But I don't think it does.
 
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You mean like a camelbak? Unless you put it in a locked case first, it would be concealed.... and even then I don't know what it means to hide a case from sight (stupid nuances).

Don't throw it in the camelbak by itself.
 
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The case does not need to be locked, I know that. So quit saying locked. That's federal law, and there aren't any school zones on my route. Lucky me.
 
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As I understand the law, that would be fine.But I'mfairly certainany officer would charge you with carrying a concealed weapon... Point is, it would be an illegal search if he were to find it anyways.
 
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We have had this discussion before. To not be considered concealed, the weapon needs to be [Utah] unloaded, and securely encased.

[font="Arial,Helvetica"] (18) "Securely encased" means not readily accessible for immediate use, such as held in a gun rack, or in a closed case or container, whether or not locked, or in a trunk or other storage area of a motor vehicle, not including a glove box or console box.[/font]

You ever see all those guys wearing fanny packs, and think to yourself, "I bet he's packin."? Well, I bet they don't need a permit to carry in a fanny pack [or a CamelBak] as long as it is unloaded. A zipped up fanny pack, or back pack sounds like a closed container to me.
 
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SGT Jensen wrote:
We have had this discussion before. To not be considered concealed, the weapon needs to be [Utah] unloaded, and securely encased.

[font=Arial,Helvetica] (18) "Securely encased" means not readily accessible for immediate use, such as held in a gun rack, or in a closed case or container, whether or not locked, or in a trunk or other storage area of a motor vehicle, not including a glove box or console box.[/font]

You ever see all those guys wearing fanny packs, and think to yourself, "I bet he's packin."? Well, I bet they don't need a permit to carry in a fanny pack [or a CamelBak] as long as it is unloaded. A zipped up fanny pack, or back pack sounds like a closed container to me.
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A zipped up fanny pack, or back pack sounds like a closed container to me.
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Never thought of it that way SGT. But YES, by golly, a fanny pack IS by the very definition "Securely encased" for a NON-Permit holder.

BUT remember the part of 76-10-501 (15) that says

15) "Readily accessible for immediate use" means that a firearm or other dangerous weapon is carried on the person or within such close proximity and in such a manner that it can be

retrieved and used as readily as if carried on the person.:uhoh:


TJ
 
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Clark Aposhian sent me a text back saying that a Fanny Pack is OK as long as it's NOT on the Person as per 76-10-501 (15)

15) "Readily accessible for immediate use" means that a firearm or other dangerous weapon is carried on the person or within such close proximity and in such a manner that it can be

retrieved and used as readily as if carried on the person

TJ
 
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Well it kinda sounds like your best option just might be OC on the cammel back, I under stand you don't want to be stopped while your running, that would suck, but I doubt it would happen every time you went out.

Just expect it to happen eventually I guess, it would just be better to have something for your defence get stoped and questioned, than to not have anything and need it.
 
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usSiR wrote:
Well it kinda sounds like your best option just might be OC on the cammel back, I under stand you don't want to be stopped while your running, that would suck, but I doubt it would happen every time you went out.

Just expect it to happen eventually I guess, it would just be better to have something for your defence get stoped and questioned, than to not have anything and need it.
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The Camel Pack is still as if carried on the person.

He is sorry out of luck. OC....IS the only option til he gets a Permit.

TJ
 
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thx997303 wrote:
The case does not need to be locked, I know that. So quit saying locked. That's federal law, and there aren't any school zones on my route. Lucky me.
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whoa buddy, calm down... i'm trying to help. I naturally assumed you would pass a school zone on a 7 mile run. Luckily you don't. But if you stick it in a bag, then you're concealing and you can't argue your way around that.

For future reference, I would have preferred "hey, I'm not going by any schools but thanks for the concern".
 
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UTOC-45-44 wrote:
usSiR wrote:
Well it kinda sounds like your best option just might be OC on the cammel back, I under stand you don't want to be stopped while your running, that would suck, but I doubt it would happen every time you went out.

Just expect it to happen eventually I guess, it would just be better to have something for your defence get stoped and questioned, than to not have anything and need it.
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The Camel Pack is still as if carried on the person.

He is sorry out of luck. OC....IS the only option til he gets a Permit.

TJ
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He did say open carry on the CamelBak. :p
 
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UTOC-45-44 wrote:
Clark Aposhian sent me a text back saying that a Fanny Pack is OK as long as it's NOT on the Person as per 76-10-501 (15)

15) "Readily accessible for immediate use" means that a firearm or other dangerous weapon is carried on the person or within such close proximity and in such a manner that it can be retrieved and used as readily as if carried on the person

TJ
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Well, there goes my argument for unlicensed fanny pack carry. :(
 
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Sarnt might be in agreeance with me on this.... and this next point is of my own comment... but dont take it with you... why... help me out sarnt " cause I can run faster scared than you can pissed! "
 
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thx997303 wrote:
The case does not need to be locked, I know that. So quit saying locked. That's federal law, and there aren't any school zones on my route. Lucky me.
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You mean that Meadow Elementary and Willowcreek Middle School are not on you running route? :?
 
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SGT Jensen wrote:
thx997303 wrote:
The case does not need to be locked, I know that. So quit saying locked. That's federal law, and there aren't any school zones on my route. Lucky me.
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You mean that Meadow Elementary and Willowcreek Middle School are not on you running route? :?
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I see 2 schools in the route A and C
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