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    gonna get my motorcycle license soon (price of gas and whatnot) so id like to know, what laws apply to OC on a motorcycle... supposedly it is completely legal, with or without CWP.

    Also, those of you who have your motorcycle license... what am i to expect during tests? i understand that they are more difficult than the regular driving tests. so i would like to know, how difficult is the written and skills test? i took a pre-test for practice on the DMV site, and i scored a 76% i think, with NO studying, and no previous "ON THE ROAD" skills. ive only ridden dirtbikes before.

    i will be getting a honda trail 90 on KSL soon, they get over 100 MPG usually, and cost under 1000$. top speed of about 45, but thats all you need for around town stuff. if i find a 125 i might get it.

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    also, can you street legalize ANY motorcycle? like maybe a 100cc dirtbike?

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    I think... the smallest bike you can legally have on the road is a 50cc, at least thats the smallest scooter you can register for road use, but it has to be 250cc for the highway.

    I also think... I have heard when you add all the extra stuff to put a normal dirt bike on the road you usually have to get a better stator to power the lights and stuff.

    You can find the 250cc KLR enduro bikes on KSL between $1000 and $3000 or the 650cc ones for $3000 to $6000. It sounds like you want good MPG though. But I would say get a 250 if you want it for the trail too.

    When TJ chimes in about the OC on it, he knows more but I think your good on that just avoid schools if you dont have a CWP


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    b1ack5mith wrote:
    gonna get my motorcycle license soon (price of gas and whatnot) so id like to know, what laws apply to OC on a motorcycle... supposedly it is completely legal, with or without CWP.

    Also, those of you who have your motorcycle license... what am i to expect during tests? i understand that they are more difficult than the regular driving tests. so i would like to know, how difficult is the written and skills test? i took a pre-test for practice on the DMV site, and i scored a 76% i think, with NO studying, and no previous "ON THE ROAD" skills. ive only ridden dirtbikes before.

    i will be getting a honda trail 90 on KSL soon, they get over 100 MPG usually, and cost under 1000$. top speed of about 45, but thats all you need for around town stuff. if i find a 125 i might get it.
    You can OC with it "Utah Unloaded" on your hip while MCing. Just avoid the School zones. Due to the fact that you don't have a "privilege" yet.

    I never rode a bike prior to the MC school and past both tests.

    Now there is a tier system for the MC licenses.

    Go on to DMVs website and they will be able to explain.

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    UTOC-45-44 wrote:
    b1ack5mith wrote:
    gonna get my motorcycle license soon (price of gas and whatnot) so id like to know, what laws apply to OC on a motorcycle... supposedly it is completely legal, with or without CWP.

    Also, those of you who have your motorcycle license... what am i to expect during tests? i understand that they are more difficult than the regular driving tests. so i would like to know, how difficult is the written and skills test? i took a pre-test for practice on the DMV site, and i scored a 76% i think, with NO studying, and no previous "ON THE ROAD" skills. ive only ridden dirtbikes before.

    i will be getting a honda trail 90 on KSL soon, they get over 100 MPG usually, and cost under 1000$. top speed of about 45, but thats all you need for around town stuff. if i find a 125 i might get it.
    You can OC with it "Utah Unloaded" on your hip while MCing. Just avoid the School zones. Due to the fact that you don't have a "privilege" yet.

    I never rode a bike prior to the MC school and past both tests.

    Now there is a tier system for the MC licenses.

    Go on to DMVs website and they will be able to explain.

    TJ
    - TJ is correct that you can ride Utah Unloaded.
    - When in/on a vehicle you are exempted from Utah school zone laws (But not federal ones)

    76-10-505.5. Possession of a dangerous weapon, firearm, or sawed-off shotgun on or about school premises -- Penalties.

    (1) A person may not possess any dangerous weapon, firearm, or sawed-off shotgun, as those terms are defined in Section 76-10-501, at a place that the person knows, or has reasonable cause to believe, is on or about school premises as defined in Subsection 76-3-203.2(1).
    (2) (a) Possession of a dangerous weapon on or about school premises is a class B misdemeanor.
    (b) Possession of a firearm or sawed-off shotgun on or about school premises is a class A misdemeanor.
    (3) This section does not apply if:
    (a) the person is authorized to possess a firearm as provided under Section 53-5-704, 53-5-705, 76-10-511, or 76-10-523, or as otherwise authorized by law;
    (b) the possession is approved by the responsible school administrator;
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    I think... the smallest bike you can legally have on the road is a 50cc, at least thats the smallest scooter you can register for road use, but it has to be 250cc for the highway.

    I also think... I have heard when you add all the extra stuff to put a normal dirt bike on the road you usually have to get a better stator to power the lights and stuff.

    You can find the 250cc KLR enduro bikes on KSL between $1000 and $3000 or the 650cc ones for $3000 to $6000. It sounds like you want good MPG though. But I would say get a 250 if you want it for the trail too.

    When TJ chimes in about the OC on it, he knows more but I think your good on that just avoid schools if you dont have a CWP
    im only like 5'6 so its hard for me to ride bigger bikes, but i dont need one for the hwy, i just one one for around town... payson to spanish or santaquin (just take SR198)

    i want somethin for REALLY good gas mileage, like an old honda trail 90, or a 125 dirtbike or somethin

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    im only like 5'6 so its hard for me to ride bigger bikes, but i dont need one for the hwy, i just one one for around town... payson to spanish or santaquin (just take SR198)

    i want somethin for REALLY good gas mileage, like an old honda trail 90, or a 125 dirtbike or somethin
    The old Honda 90s are street legal, though they handle like crap. But consider two things.

    1-A BATTERY is a really good idea. It is a major safety benefit to be able to burn lights even when the engine won't start. The Honda 90s have a battery.

    2-A motorcycle offers ZERO crash / impact protection. Even a great helmet and a full set of kevlar "leathers" offer less protection than going without seatbelt in the smallest car you can imagine. Bikes are invisible to far too many drivers. You have only a couple of things to help you out here:

    Acceleration, braking, and maneuverability.

    Start to remove those, and bikes get even more dangerous. I suggest a bike small enough for you to handle well, but large enough to have some real get up and go (not necessarily top end, just 0-40, 30-60, and 60-0).

    Hang as many lights on it as possible, get the best horn you can. Dress properly. Assume and ride as if NOBODY can see you. And when you get married and/or have kids who depend on you, sell it and get a car until the kids are raised. You can buy a LOT of gas for what a SINGLE day in the hospital will cost.

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    OKguys, I'm only 5'2" and I ride a 1994 Honda GL1500. It all comes down to your ability to handle the bike you get. Now the best thing you can do before you go to get your license is take a Motorcycle Safety Foundation class. If you can pass their driving test, then you will only have to take the Staten written test. They provide the bike, you'll only need a helmert, gloves, long sleeved shirt (yeah, I know it's HOT!) and shoes that cover your ankles. At least that was all you needed when I took the class several years ago. I don't think that much has changed since then.

    Another advantage with taking the MSF course is that you can submit your certificate to your insurance company and get lower rates. They will consider you an "educated" rider and as such, a safer rider. At your age, any time you can get a discount on insurance, it will pay for itself in the long run.

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    utbagpiper wrote:
    b1ack5mith wrote:
    im only like 5'6 so its hard for me to ride bigger bikes, but i dont need one for the hwy, i just one one for around town... payson to spanish or santaquin (just take SR198)

    i want somethin for REALLY good gas mileage, like an old honda trail 90, or a 125 dirtbike or somethin
    ....2-A motorcycle offers ZERO crash / impact protection. Even a great helmet and a full set of kevlar "leathers" offer less protection than going without seatbelt in the smallest car you can imagine...
    I will say this from 1st hand experience:

    A helmet, Gloves, Boots, and a 1 piece set for leathers: and i STILL had $80k in medical bills AND I am still seeing surgeons. (Not at fault BTW, so their insurance got it.)

    ...funny enough, that is the primary reason i OC. i can't really run away from anyone or physically defend myself..



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    I never thought of that side of it before
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    As far as gas mileage goes my experience has been that most bikes get from 40 to 50 mpg real world. There are those extreme machines that get 70 to 80 but I have found those to be the little 50cc jobbers that go max 30mph. Even the 250cc wonder bikes get 50ish. I drove one of those 50cc machines for about a year... it was only a little bit better than riding a bicycle, and the bicycle went up hill faster.

    My suggestion is to get something with enough umph to get you out of a situation should you find yourself suddenly in a shtf moment. I am not talking about a 1400cc bullet bike....but more like a 400 to 600cc.

    And I add my vote to take the MSF class. Lots of good information you won't find anywhere else.

    (required subject) Remember, if they don't see the bike normally, what makes you think they will see/notice you open carrying on a motorcycle?

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    hey guys, im not needing a bike for the hwy or anything, just for drivin up the canyons/to work and stuff... and God bless ya, protectedby9mm!

    so goosemama, if i get the course, i wont need to take a skills test at the DMV? just a written?

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    b1ack5mith wrote:
    ...and God bless ya, protectedby9mm!...
    Lol - thanks bro. Its sounds alot worse than it is.

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    was it a HWY accident, or local?



    also, 200$ for a running gas scooter on KSL... can only use it in 25 mph zones though :/

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    b1ack5mith wrote:
    was it a HWY accident, or local?...
    it was a Miami,Fl // Palmetto & Bird rd. accident.

    Was waiting to turn left at an intersection and a SUV pulled up right into me. Guy said he didn't see me waiting and yielding to oncoming traffic at the light. its all good. just got me a gansta limp. haha j/k.

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    Sounds like mine. 3 yrs ago she didn't see me (that's what the police report said. made insurance settlement easy) and turned a small SUV left into my direction of traffic. I busted both tib & fib at the ankle and every joint on my left side has given me problems ever since.

    Problems are much more likely to occur in town. There are countless opportunities for someone to enter your lane on every city block. The opportunities for cages (riders term for cars) to attack you greatly diminishes on the highway.

    I still ride because life lost so much meaning when I couldn't enjoy the thrill of freedom I experienced on a motorcycle.

    There is also much more to consider than the # of CCs a bike has. My first bike was a 700cc Honda Nighthawk, the grad-daddy of the current bullet bike. I laid it over many times because it had such a high center of gravity. My 2nd bike was an 1100cc Yamaha Virago that I called a pseudo Harley. It was a touring bike and at half again as much bigger than my first bike, it rode lighter because it had a lower center of gravity. The only time it ever tipped was when she didn't see me. Even now that I ride a Harley, I consider a Virago the ideal starter bike.

    With personal experience with OC on a MC, they are much more likely to see the gun than the MC and anything that gets their attention is a bonus. I ride with lights, polished chrome, and loud pipes.

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    b1ack5mith wrote:
    hey guys, im not needing a bike for the hwy or anything, just for drivin up the canyons/to work and stuff... and God bless ya, protectedby9mm!

    so goosemama, if i get the course, i wont need to take a skills test at the DMV? just a written?
    If you do the Skills test the DMV may only let you do the written. Prepare for that you will have to do it and if you don't you're in luck.

    I didn't have to do it (lucky enough for once).

    I walked in did the written and show the piece of paper of the completed course just a few days earlier. Did the "mug" shot and walked out with the endorsement.

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    Like I said, it was several years ago when I took the MSF course. I'm not the expert nor have I kept up with the current laws, but if you take the MSF course and pass their riding part of it, you should only have to take the written part at the DMV. Like TJ said, he just showed his certificate of passing, took the written test and then got his mugshot taken.

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    I've gone down 2x. The first time a bright red cadillac made a left turn in front of me on Riverdale road. He was late for his lunch date at Chili's and he stated that he saw me but thouht he had enough time to make his turn. Then he claimed that my light was red. However I was in the yield lane that didn't have to stop, just merge into traffic. He was lucky I was already strapped onto the gurney when he made his next comment that a WOMAN shouldn't be riding a motorcycle.

    His lawyer then came after me for damages to his car. He stated that I didn't know how to ride such a big bike (it was an Honda Goldwing 1100 - I loved that bike). I made sure to have a copy of each of MSF certificate of completion to show him. Not only do they have the beginners course, but they have EXPERIENCED rider courses that you can take as well. Itcompletely blewhim rightout of the water. They immediately dropped their counter-suit and paid me for a new bike + all my medical.

    I know you're saying that you only want to ride to work and up canyon roads, but take my word for it, the motorcycle bug has probably already bit you. You will most likely start planning more and more rides to take on your bike. Think really hard about the kind of machine you want and/or want to eventually ride and what you really plan to do on it. It could save you a lot of additional $$ to actually get a bigger bike now instead of buyingsmaller and then getting the next bigger one and the next bigger one, etc.

    People will say that riding a motorcycle is dangerous. OF COURSE IT IS!! We probably wouldn't be riding if it was safe and sane. However, you can take steps necessary to protect yourself. Helmets (mine have saved my life twice now), full sets of leathers, gloves, glasses, etc. I ride with, and have for years, with a large stuffed animal on the backseat of my bike. Right now it's a HUGE pink bunny with sun glasses and a black leather vest on. People actually see the BUNNY before they see the bike driving down the street. Lights help. Any and all lights that I can have on my bike (within my budget and whether my husband has the time to put them on for me) I make sure to run with.

    So anyway, I get off my soapbox now. I could probably go on and on and on...........

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    I need to buy me a good bike.

    At least 650 cc. Then get my MC license. Will have to wait till next year though.

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    thx997303 wrote:
    I need to buy me a good bike.

    At least 650 cc. Then get my MC license. Will have to wait till next year though.
    I'd say MINIMUM 750 thx. MINIMUM.

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    For freeway? That might be wise. I need to practice though, I haven't ridden anything larger than a 650. Old Yamaha, nice bike. Perfect height for me.



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    ProtectedBy9mm wrote:
    b1ack5mith wrote:
    was it a HWY accident, or local?...
    it was a Miami,Fl // Palmetto & Bird rd. accident.

    Was waiting to turn left at an intersection and a SUV pulled up right into me. Guy said he didn't see me waiting and yielding to oncoming traffic at the light. its all good. just got me a gansta limp. haha j/k.
    I hope this doesn't come across wrong... I certainly don't mean it to be...


    I have been riding bikes off and on almost my entire life... started out on a Yamaha 80 Enduro when I was in 2nd-Grade. In High School I rode a Yamaha 550. Yesterday I just bought a BMS 150 (scooter).

    Accidents happen, yes. And it's true that SOMETIMES you (the rider) just zone-out for a minute. What happened was clearly NOT your fault.

    But having said that, it was still something you could have prevented or at least mitigated to a great deal had you been paying more attention to your mirrors and what was happening behind you.

    I am not saying this to be a condemning jerk -- my wife was involved in a nearly-identical accident as yours but she was in a car. Neither of you are to blame.

    I only write this in response to the argument that some would say you shouldn't ride bikes b/c of stuff like this... stuff that, even on a bike, we can prevent if we ride slower and/or pay more attention and react more pro-actively.

    I also detest the "you shouldn't ride bikes, they are dangerous" argument b/c those same people are often the ones driving around in behemoth SUV's increasing the danger for everyone else but so proud of themselves for how safe THEY are themselves. Safety goes two ways -- you shouldn't be driving monster rigs if you don't actually need them, and if you do -- SLOW DOWN!!!


    Anyways, yeah... sorry to hear about your accident though... it's a bummer that I'm sure is no fun to deal with... I've been involved in a few minor spills that were my fault but fortunately no major injury and I've learned a few key lessons.


    I hope you recover well!

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    For freeway? That might be wise. I need to practice though, I haven't ridden anything larger than a 650. Old Yamaha, nice bike. Perfect height for me.

    I went straight from a 250 in the MC class to a Honda 750 Shadow Areo. I wished it was a bigger CC.

    Going from a 650 to 750 wouldn't be any problem, thx

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    Would the bike be bigger? I really don't know much about motorcycles.

    The thing is I'm short. I would need the bike to sit lower. I don't if a 750 would be any taller than a 650, but then I guess I could always alter the ride height.

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