ProShooter wrote:
You are not required to volunteer the info that you have a gun and/or permit BUT if they find out (i.e. from you vehicle reg during a traffic stop) and he asks for your CHP permit and id, you are required to provide that.
From the SP website -
The person issued a permit or in possession of a de facto permit must have the permit on his person at all times during which he is carrying a concealed handgun and must display the permit and a photo-identification issued by a government agency of the Commonwealth or by the United States Department of Defense or United States State Department upon demand by a law enforcement officer.
As an aside, giving the officer the courtesy of knowing that you have a firearm goes a long way in his mind of returning that courtesy to you....
not quite: from member muzz3625 a dispatcher in cville:
muzz3256 wrote:
I just wanted to bring up one thing I saw here.
Coming from a dispatcher (me), who runs dozens of vehicles and drivers licenses's a shift through DMV/VCIN/NCIC, your CHP is in no way attached to your vehicle at all.
The only way an officer could assiocate a CHP to a person through a vehicle, is to run the registered owner(s) that are assoicated with the vehicle, and that is against the law for me as a dispatcher to do without an officer asking me to do it, and it's against the law for an officer to do it (or ask us to do it) unless he has reasonable cause AND its part of a criminal investigation (at least this is what they just taught me in my VCIN recertification class).
The only thing that your CHP is attched to is your SSN, DL number, and your name/DOB, and then it only comes up as a VCIN hit. If I were to go to NC, and an officer ran me, he would get that I am licensed through Virginia DMV, and that I have no NCIC hits (I would hope), and nothing outstanding through the system that the state of North Carolina uses to track wants/warrants. There is nothing that is distributed through NCIC or NLETS that notifies about CHP's.
Just wanted to through in my 2 cents.
-muzz
When an officer stops a vehicle, they do give us the plate number, which is logged into CAD, the plate of the vehicle is then automatically run through DMV, VCIN, and NCIC by CAD. We do not give the officers a read back on the plates at all, unless there is a problem, for instance, the officer said he pulled over a red Dodge Ram, and the plates come back to a blue Ford Taurus. Then the officer is supposed to go and get the DL of the driver of the vehicle, and run their DL number to get their status, and that’s where the CHP hit comes in. I as a dispatcher am not allowed to just run the status of the registered owners when the officer pulls the vehicle over because the status of the owners is protected information, which can get me in trouble, plus it's a misdemeanor to run someone that is not part of a criminal investigation.
Now in this area, because it's a pretty small location, some of the officers know certain, how shall I put this, less law abiding citizens who drive on suspended licenses or on expired plates, and will have us run a plate and ask us to run the status of the registered owner, I would hope because they know that the person who is driving is the person who owns the vehicle. In that case we would give them both the information of the vehicle and the information of the registered owner, including a CHP hit if it came up.
Now here comes the new part, Mobile Data Terminals:
Pretty much all of the county cars and a handful of the city cars have MDT's installed in them now, and this give the officer the ability to run anyone, registered owner and all, BUT they are just as accountable to the State Police (they are the ones who regulate the access) as to having to justify why they ran someone, and if it was not part of a criminal investigation, then they can get into legal trouble.
Now I know that there used to be some dispatchers that wanted to be pretty proactive and do things like this, but it is now generally discouraged, as we do not want to be disemminating protected information if it's not part of a criminal investigation.
*PLEASE NOTE THE THE VIEWS THAT I EXPRESS HERE ARE NOT THE VIEWS OF MY EMPLOYER, NOR IS ANYTHING I SAY THE POLICY OF MY EMPLOYER, THEY ARE JUST OBSERVATIONS AND MY OWN PERSONAL OPINION.*