Thundar
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http://tidewaterliberty.wordpress.com/2008/06/29/botunanswered-questions-review/
From the Tidewater Liberty Blog:
BOT:Unanswered Questions (Review)
Some of the unanswered questions raised previously have been answered, not favorably, and others remain a mystery. New questions have arisen.
We have learned that the confidential informant was the burglar (actually two), acting with the consent, and possibly at the direction of the police. This is a serious evasion of fourth Amendment protections.
We still have no explanation for the choice, clearly made before the police ever left the station, to force entry to Fredericks home, whether he heard their demands to open the door and complied or not. An internal review has been made, but will be withheld from the public. The police have clearly taken the position that they need not explain their actions to the public.
We still do not know on what evidence the prosecutor has based a charge of manufacturing marijuana.
We still do not have an explanation for that .223 cartridge case, but we now have the added question of why the police altered evidence to hide a bullet hole.
We do know that it was a bullet from Frederick’s gun that killed Det. Shivers and we know roughly how he came to be struck by it.
We do not know why Frederick is charged with capital murder. Even if the testimony presented by the sole witness provided by the police is taken as absolute truth, it at most supports a charge of voluntary manslaughter, and even that is doubtful to survive a self defense assertion. Were he realistically charged, he would be out on bail. Is Frederick being pressured to take a deal, or is he simply being held without bail as a form of punishment, jail for a year whether found guilty or not?
There is far too much we do not know, most of all, why the Chesapeake Police and the prosecutor are stonewalling the public on what really happened.
The excuse of holding back information until trial does not wash. There is no legitimate public interest in shielding potential jurors from the truth. If a conviction cannot be had without keeping jurors in the dark about the objective facts of the case, then a conviction does not serve justice.
This is the City of Chesapeake, in the Commonwealth of Virginia, in the United States of America. We do not have Secret Police answerable only to themselves. Our military and our police are subject to civilian control and review. We are owed the truth. And now
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Lots of previous threads about this topic have been locked. Please try to keep this one civil (OK johnnyb?)
I have been fairly neutral about the facts surrounding this case, not sure if the shooting was justified or excusable under the laws of the Commonwealth. The wall of silence is not what we expect from our public officials. Capital Murder? Does not seem possible. Overcharging the gun owner to keep him from getting bail? Seems to be the likely often used tactic of this Special District Attorney.
I felt very sad for Det. Shivers. The ugly use of power in an attempt to thwart justice dishonors his memory.
When do we stand up for other gun owners? When do we say stop violating our constitution? When do we refuse to allow justice to be perverted by those sworn to uphold justice?
Link:
http://tidewaterliberty.wordpress.com/2008/06/29/botunanswered-questions-review/
From the Tidewater Liberty Blog:
BOT:Unanswered Questions (Review)
Some of the unanswered questions raised previously have been answered, not favorably, and others remain a mystery. New questions have arisen.
We have learned that the confidential informant was the burglar (actually two), acting with the consent, and possibly at the direction of the police. This is a serious evasion of fourth Amendment protections.
We still have no explanation for the choice, clearly made before the police ever left the station, to force entry to Fredericks home, whether he heard their demands to open the door and complied or not. An internal review has been made, but will be withheld from the public. The police have clearly taken the position that they need not explain their actions to the public.
We still do not know on what evidence the prosecutor has based a charge of manufacturing marijuana.
We still do not have an explanation for that .223 cartridge case, but we now have the added question of why the police altered evidence to hide a bullet hole.
We do know that it was a bullet from Frederick’s gun that killed Det. Shivers and we know roughly how he came to be struck by it.
We do not know why Frederick is charged with capital murder. Even if the testimony presented by the sole witness provided by the police is taken as absolute truth, it at most supports a charge of voluntary manslaughter, and even that is doubtful to survive a self defense assertion. Were he realistically charged, he would be out on bail. Is Frederick being pressured to take a deal, or is he simply being held without bail as a form of punishment, jail for a year whether found guilty or not?
There is far too much we do not know, most of all, why the Chesapeake Police and the prosecutor are stonewalling the public on what really happened.
The excuse of holding back information until trial does not wash. There is no legitimate public interest in shielding potential jurors from the truth. If a conviction cannot be had without keeping jurors in the dark about the objective facts of the case, then a conviction does not serve justice.
This is the City of Chesapeake, in the Commonwealth of Virginia, in the United States of America. We do not have Secret Police answerable only to themselves. Our military and our police are subject to civilian control and review. We are owed the truth. And now
**********************
Lots of previous threads about this topic have been locked. Please try to keep this one civil (OK johnnyb?)
I have been fairly neutral about the facts surrounding this case, not sure if the shooting was justified or excusable under the laws of the Commonwealth. The wall of silence is not what we expect from our public officials. Capital Murder? Does not seem possible. Overcharging the gun owner to keep him from getting bail? Seems to be the likely often used tactic of this Special District Attorney.
I felt very sad for Det. Shivers. The ugly use of power in an attempt to thwart justice dishonors his memory.
When do we stand up for other gun owners? When do we say stop violating our constitution? When do we refuse to allow justice to be perverted by those sworn to uphold justice?