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    This is not to bash cops. I believe that they do have a vital role in society.

    Friday after work, I was on my way to drop off my car for my wife. Everything was routine. I live in Bremerton and only had a mile to drive. I was the third car in line to come to a stop at a traffic light for a left turn. The car in front of me and I were traveling at about 10 mph, when out of no where a very careless kid on a mountain bike darted across traffic (not using the cross walk and also not wearing a helmet). BARELY missing the car in front of me, he colliding right into the driver side door of a car traveling in the opposite direction that I was heading. This occurred at 6:03pm. 911 was called at 6:04pm. The kid was coherent enough to be brought to the side of the road as the parties and witnesses involved collected in the parking lot adjacent to the street. At 6:09pm the fire department appeared on scene. The first police officer on scene arrived at 6:16pm, and the other officer on scene arrived at 6:18pm. Reports were taken... yadda yadda yadda...

    Regardless that this event had nothing whatsoever to do with firearms, the thing that fortified my belief in being armed at all times was the incredibly long time it took police to arrive on scene. I was thinking about this from the moment the accident occurred until after everything was finished. "What if" you were in a life or death situation and you were not armed? Again, the police are certainly important to society, but all I could think about was what could happen in 14-18 minutes.

    Btw, though I was highly considering OCing after work, I was not. I was CCing. I haven't yet worked up the kahonays to avidly practice. Getting together with other OCers at the Kitsap picnic was a great to push me out the door, and I did it on my own afterward. Since then I haven't done so.


    I've been curious how the situation would have been handled with the two Staties that were on scene at the accident, if I as a witness had been OCing..

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    zakst1 wrote:
    This is not to bash cops. I believe that they do have a vital role in society.

    Friday after work, I was on my way to drop off my car for my wife. Everything was routine. I live in Bremerton and only had a mile to drive. I was the third car in line to come to a stop at a traffic light for a left turn. The car in front of me and I were traveling at about 10 mph, when out of no where a very careless kid on a mountain bike darted across traffic (not using the cross walk and also not wearing a helmet). BARELY missing the car in front of me, he colliding right into the driver side door of a car traveling in the opposite direction that I was heading. This occurred at 6:03pm. 911 was called at 6:04pm. The kid was coherent enough to be brought to the side of the road as the parties and witnesses involved collected in the parking lot adjacent to the street. At 6:09pm the fire department appeared on scene. The first police officer on scene arrived at 6:16pm, and the other officer on scene arrived at 6:18pm. Reports were taken... yadda yadda yadda...

    Regardless that this event had nothing whatsoever to do with firearms, the thing that fortified my belief in being armed at all times was the incredibly long time it took police to arrive on scene. I was thinking about this from the moment the accident occurred until after everything was finished. "What if" you were in a life or death situation and you were not armed? Again, the police are certainly important to society, but all I could think about was what could happen in 14-18 minutes.

    Btw, though I was highly considering OCing after work, I was not. I was CCing. I haven't yet worked up the kahonays to avidly practice. Getting together with other OCers at the Kitsap picnic was a great to push me out the door, and I did it on my own afterward. Since then I haven't done so.


    I've been curious how the situation would have been handled with the two Staties that were on scene at the accident, if I as a witness had been OCing..
    I know a number of Staters and from what I know from them andhave seen of other Staters, they are up on the legality of OC. I live in Shelton and with the State Patrol Academy here, we have Staters and other officers from all over the wet side around all the time. Been observed to many times to count OCing and never once has a word said.

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    zakst1 wrote:
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    Regardless that this event had nothing whatsoever to do with firearms, the thing that fortified my belief in being armed at all times was the incredibly long time it took police to arrive on scene. ...
    One thing to keep in mind is that for the police, this was not an emergency call. The fire department was already on scene providing treatment and there was no reason for them to rush and risk their own lives and the lives of others to arrive a few minutes earlier to take a report. If the call was for an assault, robbery, or other violent crime in progress, they would likely be responding faster.

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    Regardless that this event had nothing whatsoever to do with firearms, the thing that fortified my belief in being armed at all times was the incredibly long time it took police to arrive on scene. ...
    One thing to keep in mind is that for the police, this was not an emergency call. The fire department was already on scene providing treatment and there was no reason for them to rush and risk their own lives and the lives of others to arrive a few minutes earlier to take a report. If the call was for an assault, robbery, or other violent crime in progress, they would likely be responding faster.
    that makes sence...

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    zakst1 wrote:
    This is not to bash cops. I believe that they do have a vital role in society.

    ...the thing that fortified my belief in being armed at all times was the incredibly long time it took police to arrive on scene.
    My 17 year old son was punched by a young adult driver at Wright Park last Sunday. It took TPD three hours to respond. Yeah, three hours. On Monday when I was running around the park I spotted the car (he got the license plate) and the subject he described parked at the conservatory. I stopped and called TPD to report it, I was put on hold. About 30 seconds later they drove away while I was still on hold. On my next lap I smelled marijuana smoke coming from a van parked along the road, so I called 911 again. I did four more laps and they never responded.

    Either they’re shorthanded or they don’t have the money to keep enough officers on the street, but either way, you’re on your own.

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    Mainsail wrote:
    zakst1 wrote:
    This is not to bash cops. I believe that they do have a vital role in society.

    ...the thing that fortified my belief in being armed at all times was the incredibly long time it took police to arrive on scene.
    My 17 year old son was punched by a young adult driver at Wright Park last Sunday. It took TPD three hours to respond. Yeah, three hours. On Monday when I was running around the park I spotted the car (he got the license plate) and the subject he described parked at the conservatory. I stopped and called TPD to report it, I was put on hold. About 30 seconds later they drove away while I was still on hold. On my next lap I smelled marijuana smoke coming from a van parked along the road, so I called 911 again. I did four more laps and they never responded.

    Either they’re shorthanded or they don’t have the money to keep enough officers on the street, but either way, you’re on your own.
    Probably to busy parking in No Parking zones.:?

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    Who ever said it was a non-emergency, as fire was already there was right... BPD can get places quick if there is an emergency...trust me

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    One of my favorite tag-lines:

    "When seconds count, the cops are only minutes away..."

    It is not at all a dis on cops. I work for the 911 system andI think it does better than most should expect. The simple fact of life is that **** happens, and it usually happens when a cop isn't right there (coincidence?)

    Even in a real emergency, going lights and siren, it can take five, ten minutes or longer. If you choose to live in a rural area, it can be a considerable time. I had a call years ago out in the Greenwater area, east of Enumclaw. Full blown domestic assault where I literally listened to the man beat the begezzus out of a woman for over 20 minutes while officers were going code-3.

    People need to realize that the primary responsibility for their safety is theirs.

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    911Boss wrote:

    People need to realize that the primary responsibility for their safety is theirs.
    Well said.

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    okkid wrote:
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    People need to realize that the primary responsibility for their safety is theirs.
    Well said.
    Probably why Iam armedduring my awake hours everyday.

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    zakst1 wrote:
    This is not to bash cops. I believe that they do have a vital role in society.

    Friday after work, I was on my way to drop off my car for my wife. Everything was routine. I live in Bremerton and only had a mile to drive. I was the third car in line to come to a stop at a traffic light for a left turn. The car in front of me and I were traveling at about 10 mph, when out of no where a very careless kid on a mountain bike darted across traffic (not using the cross walk and also not wearing a helmet). BARELY missing the car in front of me, he colliding right into the driver side door of a car traveling in the opposite direction that I was heading. This occurred at 6:03pm. 911 was called at 6:04pm. The kid was coherent enough to be brought to the side of the road as the parties and witnesses involved collected in the parking lot adjacent to the street. At 6:09pm the fire department appeared on scene. The first police officer on scene arrived at 6:16pm, and the other officer on scene arrived at 6:18pm. Reports were taken... yadda yadda yadda...

    Regardless that this event had nothing whatsoever to do with firearms, the thing that fortified my belief in being armed at all times was the incredibly long time it took police to arrive on scene. I was thinking about this from the moment the accident occurred until after everything was finished. "What if" you were in a life or death situation and you were not armed? Again, the police are certainly important to society, but all I could think about was what could happen in 14-18 minutes.

    Btw, though I was highly considering OCing after work, I was not. I was CCing. I haven't yet worked up the kahonays to avidly practice. Getting together with other OCers at the Kitsap picnic was a great to push me out the door, and I did it on my own afterward. Since then I haven't done so.


    I've been curious how the situation would have been handled with the two Staties that were on scene at the accident, if I as a witness had been OCing..
    Here is a "Bike Accident" story that illustrates how a minor traffic encounter involving a bike (or two) can escalate.

    http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/...calmass27.html

    Wonder how this would have ended if the driver was armed?
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    amlevin wrote:
    Here is a "Bike Accident" story that illustrates how a minor traffic encounter involving a bike (or two) can escalate.

    http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/...calmass27.html

    Wonder how this would have ended if the driver was armed?
    They block the man's free passage and he is wrong for being irate. All environment extremist are this way. It's OK for them to do whatever they want in the name of their cause. Oh...........wait a minute, it's not just environmentalist it's all extremist.

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    Here is the question. If anyone on this board were standing on the sidewalk next to this car when it stopped a block away and saw the man get beat.

    Would you have intervened?

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    A mob of 100-300 people surround me in the street when I have a right to be where I am at, then start to bash my car and become violent? I am not going to stick around. They should consider themselves lucky more weren't run over.

    As far as intervening, I probably wouldn't face off alone against a mob. I may try to disperse the crowd with my vehicle to try and get the guy out, but without being there it is hard to say what I would do. Too many unknowns and variables.

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    I would certainly have called authorities. I also would have looked for a way to intervene and help the couple, but as to say what I would do is nearly impossible as there are far too many variables.
    Bob Owens @ Bearing Arms (paraphrased): "These people aren't against violence; they're very much in favor of violence. They're against armed resistance."

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    Bad things can happen when you are in a car stuck in a mob:

    [flash=320,256]http://www.youtube.com/v/KYnJiiLGwjY&hl=en&fs=1[/flash]



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    If a crowd gets violent there's no telling how fast or how far it will go. It takes less than sixty seconds to get pulled from a car and turned into a corpse or a vegetable.

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    Mainsail wrote:
    My 17 year old son was punched by a young adult driver at Wright Park last Sunday. It took TPD three hours to respond.
    Worthy of note is TPD is within blocks of Wrights Park. I have never seen them respond to a call in under 30 minutes no matter what the reason including shots fired

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    Tomahawk wrote:
    Bad things can happen when you are in a car stuck in a mob:



    Why I will never live in a city.

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    My 17 year old son was punched by a young adult driver at Wright Park last Sunday. It took TPD three hours to respond.
    Worthy of note is TPD is within blocks of Wrights Park. I have never seen them respond to a call in under 30 minutes no matter what the reason including shots fired
    TPD has a reputation of being on of the worse PDs there is. I mean really, their leader a while back murdered his wife and the kills himself. All these professional copsaround him and nobody noticed he was loosing it?

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    Seeing as I think pot should be legal I don't think I'd rush to that call either. :P Probably why I'm not a cop. I'm thinking you could get mugged in front of the precinct and they would take a good 20 minutes to respond.

    I used to mountain bike all the time. I've noticed that no one in this city,Bremerton, wears a helmet. Must be the meth.
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    Had a potential bomb left off at the facility I work at (they later would say that it was dressed up to look like a possible bomb). It had a 1 cent stamp. No return address. No name to deliver it too, just the company name. The inside was sealed with plastic to prevent smells, and had weights added into it. Was placed in a non-desrcipt plastic bag and left out front of the building.

    Anyways. Contacted the police and explained the scenario. 1st arrival at 25-30 min. Sgt. arrival 30 min after that. Bomb squad, 45 min after that... Almost 2 hours to get the right people on the scene to even start dealing with the issue at hand.

    And this is right in the center of Spokane...

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    We had an incident in my neighborhood last week. I group of about 6typical Tacoma gang member types jump out of their gold caddy suvand confront another group of the typical Tacoma gang youth walking down the street. The typical remarks are exchanged and before you know it there are 20+ young males right in front of my house. Of course my 9yo daughter is outside in our fenced yard and I'm in the shower..perfect, just my life. As I'm showering I hear the screaming of the....let's just call them youths, I exit the shower, wrap a towel around my 210lb, shaved head (which of course is covered in shaving cream) body, grab my 9, tell my wife to call 911, and exit the house to get my daughter. I walk up to her, take her arm and escort her to the house. I make no effort to conceal my gun. On my wifes first call to 911 there was no answer, she calls TPD, no answer, calls 911 no answer, calls pierce county sherriff, no answer, calls Tacoma PD, no answer, but she gets a call from 911. She explains the situation, which is continuing to escalate to the point that I am expecting gun fire..which my wife makes clear to 911. 15 minutes later, no police, and the crowd starts to disperse without further incident.A single TPD car shows up 30+ minutes later, I happen to be standing outside with my gun. He looks at me (I'm dressed now) and I point down the street in the direction ofone of the groups, he nods, and we never hear fromTPD again.Did I mention that this was a Sunday at about 4PM, not the busiest time offor law enforcement. And....we have two TPD officers who live in the neighborhood. What use do we have for the police again? Were moving, Tacoma, near the mall sucks!!!!!!
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    medlogic wrote:
    Did I mention that this was a Sunday at about 4PM, not the busiest time offor law enforcement.
    On weekends there is an emphasis patrol on Ruston Way to catch speeders and stop that dangerous cruising (it’s against the law to pass the same place on Ruston twice in an hour). That means there aren’t enough officers to respond later in the evening after they get off shift. I have to question the way they manage the manpower and wonder if the big business owners down on the waterfront are pressuring the TPD to the detriment of the safety of its citizens. Additionally, even though I drive a retired police car, I constantly witness drivers running stop signs without even slowing down, parking illegally, and speeding. The TPD has lost the respect of many of the citizens.

    Two years ago while most of TPD was down on Ruston for the Freedom Fest, a little girl was abducted from the alleyway behind her house. Even though they had a description of the van, they never found her until after the slime-ball killed her.

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    David.Car wrote:
    Had a potential bomb left off at the facility I work at (they later would say that it was dressed up to look like a possible bomb). It had a 1 cent stamp. No return address. No name to deliver it too, just the company name. The inside was sealed with plastic to prevent smells, and had weights added into it. Was placed in a non-desrcipt plastic bag and left out front of the building.

    Anyways. Contacted the police and explained the scenario. 1st arrival at 25-30 min. Sgt. arrival 30 min after that. Bomb squad, 45 min after that... Almost 2 hours to get the right people on the scene to even start dealing with the issue at hand.

    And this is right in the center of Spokane...
    Sounds like a test or probe of police reaction time.
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