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I am a bad AMERICAN

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Triple Tap wrote:
I find it strange how people cant just have an opinion about something without the emotions getting in the way and making it a personal attack. Jarhead is a great American, as we all are that help to protect our personal rights. Our founding fathers where of the same thoughts and hopes that we would keep the spirt alive and well.

My response to this is that everyone has their own agenda in this world. Do what make sense for yourself. If that is OC then fine, if it is CC then fine. If you dont like it at all, FINE. Just dont tread on me and mine and never, ever, call any of us unAmerican as then it shows your ignorance of what a TRUE American is.
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Opinion is a two faced monster.What opinions are is emotion and has nothing to do with facts. Being emotions, opinions don't have to be proven, they just are. Seeing as how an opinion is emotion it can't be proven or disproved with facts. That is also why when it is opinion it gets nasty fast, you are messing with a person emotions, which tend to be unstable when they feel threatened. It's part of human nature and it isn't gonna change any time soon.
 
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24 years Navy,I would say it doesn,t get much better than that.Thanks for that from an old,really old soldier(see above).When I came back from Vietnam We were on a bus to Travis Air Force base.There were a bunch of so called hippies at the gate throwing dog sh%&* at our bus.Did we not just defend the right for them to do that as much as it hurt.....I have been thanked by many Vietnamese that immigrated after the war as they told me how utterly awlful things were after we left.The Iraqi's are that much better off because Jarhead was there ,and we are as well.
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It's been a long road, hard with deployments and family separations; I would do it all over again. Thanks for the service you provided, I know you had it rougher than I could ever imagine. I haverelatives and friends thatservedyou’re era, was no picnic and those that attempt to degrade your service are just the morons we proudly defend, whether they like it or not. I’ve ran into a few bozos, I tell them "your welcome" and walk away.Hoping theyacknowledged I defend, so they can act like fouls.
 
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I'll be sure to let my command know that i'm a bad american the next time we do another presidential escort or deliver food and supplies to other good americans in disaster areas.
 
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Well said. When the sunami hit in 04 wasn,t the so called bads Americans I.E. US Navy was first on the scene with to began relief efforts.I did not see one of those countries help out New Orleans..........It always seems when the Sierra ,Hotel ,India Tango hits the fan somewhere its always those bad Americans that are first there to help. Or how many of these places look at us with their hands out??? While they spit in our face.
 
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I am dangerous because i dont believe my government is out for my best intrest,
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“The conclusions seem inescapable that in certain circles a tendency has arisen to fear people who fear government. Government, as the Father of Our Country put it so well, is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. People who understand history, especially the history of government, do well to fear it. For a people to express openly their fear of those of us who are afraid of tyranny is alarming. Fear of the state is in no sense subversive. It is, to the contrary, the healthiest political philosophy for a free people.” – Jeff Cooper's Commentaries, vol. 4, no. 16, December, 1996
 
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Well said. When the sunami hit in 04 wasn,t the so called bads Americans I.E. US Navy was first on the scene with to began relief efforts.I did not see one of those countries help out New Orleans..........It always seems when the Sierra ,Hotel ,India Tango hits the fan somewhere its always those bad Americans that are first there to help. Or how many of these places look at us with their hands out??? While they spit in our face.
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Sunami 2004,we just left Hong Kong and got the word, Banda Ache, good ole Sumatra was our next destination.Was on the ABE LINCOLN for that, God I'm such as ass aweful of an American.
 
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Good for you.Refresh my memory how many billions did Bande Ache and Sumatra help give us to help New Orleans HMMMM????? Abe Lincoln ,now thats a big boat.!!!
 
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Jarhead--- Whoever told you that you are unamerican is an idiot plain and simple.
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+1 and Jarhead for President!
 
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Good for you.Refresh my memory how many billions did Bande Ache and Sumatra help give us to help New Orleans HMMMM????? Abe Lincoln ,now thats a big boat.!!!
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See my edited post above about Mexican involvement.

See this Washington Post article about foriegn aid...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/28/AR2007042801113.html

USA Today...
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2005-09-07-katrina-world_x.htm

Still more...
http://www.citizensforethics.org/node/27864

And more...
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Report_details_US_refusals_of_foreign_0727.html

A simple google search of foreign assistance katrina brought all this up and more.
 
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Good for you.Refresh my memory how many billions did Bande Ache and Sumatra help give us to help New Orleans HMMMM????? Abe Lincoln ,now thats a big boat.!!!
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And here is a complete list of countries and organizations that offered aid to the US after Katrina.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_response_to_Hurricane_Katrina

Read the wikipedia article for more details on the nature of the aid.

  • Afghanistan
  • Argentina
  • Armenia
  • Australia
  • Austria
  • Azerbaijan
  • Bahamas
  • Bahrain
  • Bangladesh
  • Belarus
  • Belgium
  • Bosnia and Herzegovina
  • Canada
  • Chile
  • People's Republic of China
  • Colombia
  • Cuba
  • the Czech Republic
  • Denmark
  • Djibouti
  • Dominica
  • Dominican Republic
  • Ecuador
  • Egypt
  • El Salvador
  • the European Union
  • Finland
  • France
  • Gabon
  • Georgia
  • Germany
  • Greece
  • Guatemala
  • Guyana
  • Honduras
  • Hungary
  • Iceland
  • India
  • Indonesia
  • International Energy Agency
  • International Federation of Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies
  • Iran
  • Iraq
  • Republic of Ireland
  • Israel
  • Italy
  • Jamaica
  • Japan
  • Jordan
  • Kenya
  • South Korea
  • Kuwait
  • Lithuania
  • Luxembourg
  • Malta
  • Mexico
  • Mongolia
  • NATO
  • Nepal
  • the Netherlands
  • New Zealand
  • Nicaragua
  • Nigeria
  • Norway
  • Organization of American States
  • Oman
  • OPEC
  • Pakistan
  • Paraguay
  • Peru
  • the Philippines
  • Poland
  • Portugal
  • Qatar
  • Romania
  • Russia
  • Saudi Arabia
  • Singapore
  • Slovakia
  • Slovenia
  • Spain
  • Sri Lanka
  • Sweden
  • Switzerland
  • Taiwan (Republic of China)
  • Thailand
  • Tunisia
  • Turkey
  • Uganda
  • United Arab Emirates
  • United Kingdom
  • United Nations
  • United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees
  • Venezuela
  • World Health Organization
 
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I stand corrected of sorts after all Hungery gave an an entire 5000.00 for example.Big contributions I see from our allies.Butin most cases I don,t see the tens or hundreds of billions we are always asked for.And I still didn,t see Bande Ache or Sumatra on the list.Some I see are promised and sometoken to keep on our good side for when they have their hand out again.Still pretty unbalanced.
 
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I think a lot of small nations gave what they could. Remember in the Bible it says those to whom much is given, much will be expected. The US has a LOT we can give, and get asked for it. I think it's pretty amazing that so many countries offered help for whatever reason, and with whatever they could.
 
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I know. I also think because of who we are we should always be there for those that need are help.......I'll wait in the car now.
 
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I think a lot of small nations gave what they could. Remember in the Bible it says those to whom much is given, much will be expected. The US has a LOT we can give, and get asked for it. I think it's pretty amazing that so many countries offered help for whatever reason, and with whatever they could.
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Agreed.

As a Christian, I am terribly un-well-read on the Bible, but I do recall a passage where a poor woman gave the equivalent of two pennies (or so) and was chided by the others in the church, but Jesus said he cherished her tithe over the other greater tithes as she gave all she could while the other tithes were mere pocket change for the rich church-goers.

Whether you're Christian or not or even believe in the Bible's truth, it's a good parable that contains wisdom that I subscribe to.
 
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Thank you, being Christian myself ,That is a most excellent reminder.And your recall is very good.
 
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At the same time, DEROS72, I agree that we, as Americans, are expected to give to those in need because we, as a nation, have prospered. I don't feel this is fair, on the whole, and agree that there should be a little equity... or at the very least appreciation... in respect to aid for disaster.

Also, thanks for serving. My father was in-country, stationed at Tan Son Nhut AFB in North Saigon (flight mechanic in the USAF) and came home to being spat on in the airport. As non-military myself (and likely won't be) I see it as my duty to my country to vote and be actively involved in the political process. If I can't serve my country one way, I'll do my best to serve it another.
 
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