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    I'll be visiting family in Reno during HAN next week, and I'm trying to make sure I don't inadvertantly break the law. I know NV is an OC state, and has state preemption, but I don't know the finer letters of the law.
    For background, I have a WA ccw, but that does not cover CC in nevada. I have paperwork filed for a FL license, which would cover nevada, but I haven't got any of it back yet. So I'm pretty sure CC is out of the question. I'm comfortable w/OC (even if some of my relatives aren't), but not sure if it's allowed at an outdoor festival such as HAN. Washington has some odd rule regarding "outdoor music festivals" specifically, where it is illegal to carry. period.

    Anything I should be aware of before making the trip, or should I enjoy a freedom-filled week of guns and cars??
    Thanks for the help!

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    I am not familiar with HAN, however I see no reason that you cannot open carry there as long as it is not at a prohibited venue. They may ask you to leave, for any reason, and you must then leave or you will be foul of the Nevada trespass law.

    Ken

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    Nevada is a defacto open carry state and you may open carry if you choose. If you open carry in the high traffic tourist areas of Las Vegas you may have a visit from Metro or, Casino personnel may/will ask you to leave the property if you open carry in any casino. If anyone in authority in any private establishment asks you to leave you must leave under Nevada's trespass law.

    There is no restriction on having a firearm in your car, open or concealed as long as it is not concealed on your person (unless you have a permit).

    If you have a permit that is valid in Nevada:

    Recognition of permits issued by other states:

    Out of State Carry Concealed Weapon Permit Recognition

    Effective Oct 1, 2007

    In accordance with Senate Bill 237 passed by the 2007 Nevada Legislature the State of Nevada will recognize the following States' CCW permit holders:

    Alaska, Arkansas, Florida (added January 3, 2008), Kansas, Louisiana, Michigan (added May 9, 2008), Missouri, Nebraska, Tennessee and Utah

    This law allows holders of valid permits from these states to carry a concealed weapon while in the State of Nevada. The permit must be in the possession of the issuee at all times while carrying a firearm.

    http://nvrepository.state.nv.us/Spec...W_CHANGE.shtml

    http://www.leg.state.nv.us/NRs/NRS-2...#NRS202Sec3688

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    You may carry concealed in Nevada ANYWHERE except:

    Buildings at the airport,
    Schools (including colleges) and child care facilities,
    Public buildings (that means Government buildings) that are posted or have metal detectors.

    BAC limit is 0.10 (DUI is 0.08, when they lowered it to get federal highway money they did not change the limit for CCW).

    http://www.leg.state.nv.us/NRs/NRS-2...l#NRS202Sec257

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    I hope this clears up any questions. Nevada laws concerning weapons are, for the most part at NRS 202.253 through 202.369.

    Have fun in Las Vegas. Bring lots of money.

    Ken

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    Crimes Against the Person http://www.leg.state.nv.us/NRs/NRS-200.html

    NRS 200.120 “Justifiable homicide” defined. Justifiable homicide is the killing of a human being in necessary self-defense, or in defense of habitation, property or person, against one who manifestly intends, or endeavors, by violence or surprise, to commit a felony, or against any person or persons who manifestly intend and endeavor, in a violent, riotous, tumultuous or surreptitious manner, to enter the habitation of another for the purpose of assaulting or offering personal violence to any person dwelling or being therein.

    [1911 C&P § 129; RL § 6394; NCL § 10076]—(NRS A 1983, 518)

    http://www.leg.state.nv.us/NRs/NRS-2...l#NRS200Sec120

    NRS 200.130 Bare fear insufficient to justify killing; reasonable fear required. A bare fear of any of the offenses mentioned in NRS 200.120, to prevent which the homicide is alleged to have been committed, shall not be sufficient to justify the killing. It must appear that the circumstances were sufficient to excite the fears of a reasonable person, and that the party killing really acted under the influence of those fears and not in a spirit of revenge.

    [1911 C&P § 130; RL § 6395; NCL § 10077]

    http://www.leg.state.nv.us/NRs/NRS-2...l#NRS200Sec130

    NRS 200.200 Killing in self-defense. If a person kills another in self-defense, it must appear that:

    1. The danger was so urgent and pressing that, in order to save his own life, or to prevent his receiving great bodily harm, the killing of the other was absolutely necessary; and

    2. The person killed was the assailant, or that the slayer had really, and in good faith, endeavored to decline any further struggle before the mortal blow was given.

    [1911 C&P § 137; RL § 6402; NCL § 10084]

    http://www.leg.state.nv.us/NRs/NRS-2...l#NRS200Sec200

    BODILY INJURY

    NRS 200.275 Justifiable infliction or threat of bodily injury not punishable.

    etc.

    Ken

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    Assuming that the RSCVA, like the LVCVA, is a political subdivision of the State of Nevada, then properties owned and operated by them, such asthe Reno-Sparks Convention Center and the Reno-Sparks Livestock Events Center, if they are posted, are prohibited venues.

    Ken

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    I have OC during Hot August Nights for two years now. I have been all through Downtown Reno, in the Atlantis Casino, and at the various outdoor events and never got questioned once.

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    Another example for No Weapons posted at events is the Farmer's Market every Thursday in Sparks. When they close the street, they'll post signs stating "No Weapons Allowed". Those signs aren't at all access points, so I just keep going with my CC. I'm pretty sure the 50 cops that walk that event would stop you from OC, but I'm not brave enough to try it.


    There may be something similar to that during the HAN event. Someone on here will chime in and let us know. I have read forum posts elsewhere where people claim to have walked around HAN, gambled at the Peppermill and Silver Legacy with absolutely zero issue.


    Circus Circus would make me nervous since half their security guys (mainly the ones with face piercings on bicycles) wear Glocks. I'd bet you a dollar they've got no idea about OC legalities and they'd love to put their barrels in your ear.

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    I was just thinking about this exact thing today at work. If there isn't any signs.. then its legal... especially on public property.... private property... like the casino parking lots.. they can always ask you to leave... I would shoot Reno PD an email about it and see what they have to say along with Sparks PD..

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    [Edit to add that I just read the "Some help please" thread, and I think bobernet answers most of my questions below in that thread, except OC on the Strip.]

    I'm also visiting Nevada (Las Vegas) coming up in September, and want to confirm what I believe I'm understanding from the information you posted above. (Forgive me, I'm an OC Noob!)

    CowboyKen wrote:
    If you open carry in the high traffic tourist areas of Las Vegas you may have a visit from Metro or...
    This sounds like it's not a good idea to OC on the Strip?

    ...Casino personnel may/will ask you to leave the property if you open carry in any casino.
    Since I'd have to go through the casino (MGM) to get to my room, I gather I'll need to CC in there. Will this be universal for all the Vegas casinos?

    You may carry concealed in Nevada ANYWHERE except:
    In Texas, we are restricted from CC in any establishment that derives 51% or more of its revenue from alcohol sales for on-site consumption, such as bars, as opposed to restaurants. AZ seems to restrict OC, but not CC from restaurants that happen so also serve alcohol, and I think there's something similar in NM. I gather there's no restriction like this in Neveada?

    Sorry if I'm re-hashing the obvious. Living in Texas, I have little experience with OC, other than around the house or training classes. I'm planning to try out a bit of OC in NM, AZ and NV on this trip, and trying to learn as much as I can about it for these three states to avoid running afoul of the various state laws. I have both Texas and Utah CCWs, so should be able to easily switch to CC if needed.

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    WDGF wrote:
    [Edit to add that I just read the "Some help please" thread, and I think bobernet answers most of my questions below in that thread, except OC on the Strip.]

    I'm also visiting Nevada (Las Vegas) coming up in September, and want to confirm what I believe I'm understanding from the information you posted above. (Forgive me, I'm an OC Noob!)

    CowboyKen wrote:
    If you open carry in the high traffic tourist areas of Las Vegas you may have a visit from Metro or...
    This sounds like it's not a good idea to OC on the Strip?

    ...Casino personnel may/will ask you to leave the property if you open carry in any casino.
    Since I'd have to go through the casino (MGM) to get to my room, I gather I'll need to CC in there. Will this be universal for all the Vegas casinos?

    You may carry concealed in Nevada ANYWHERE except:
    In Texas, we are restricted from CC in any establishment that derives 51% or more of its revenue from alcohol sales for on-site consumption, such as bars, as opposed to restaurants. AZ seems to restrict OC, but not CC from restaurants that happen so also serve alcohol, and I think there's something similar in NM. I gather there's no restriction like this in Neveada?

    Sorry if I'm re-hashing the obvious. Living in Texas, I have little experience with OC, other than around the house or training classes. I'm planning to try out a bit of OC in NM, AZ and NV on this trip, and trying to learn as much as I can about it for these three states to avoid running afoul of the various state laws. I have both Texas and Utah CCWs, so should be able to easily switch to CC if needed.
    OC on the strip and Metro will probably stop you and make sure you're legal. They may discourage you from OCing there. OC in the strip casinos, and you will be asked to leave. Better to CC when visiting the strip. The only casino I know of that has signs posted saying no guns is Stratosphere. I don't go there, even though a friend works there.

    I repair ATM/Ticket Redemption machines at a lot of the casinos (mostly the bigger ones), and I've brought up guns in conversation with my security and vault escorts at many of them. They pretty much all have said that you would be asked to either leave or check your weapon at security. I didn't let any of them know I was CCing, so they didn't give an opinion on that.

    For business that serve alcohol. As always, they can ask you to leave for any reason, but if they don't: You can OC/CC there. You can OC/CC while drinking. The limit for carrying while drinking is .10%, so you can be drunk enough to get a DUI, but still be legal to carry (.08% for DUI - it was lowered to meet Federal requirements). As many will say, it's not a good idea to drink and carry, but you can do it legally. A bunch of us had an OC meet-up recently at PTs Pub, and many had a beer.

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    From this thread and others I'm reading, Nevada is overall MUCH less restrictive than I was expecting. I'll definitely CC on the Strip, then. I'd rather be photographing than wasting time talking to Police. Ditto the casinos. Of course, walking through a casino with a Nikon on your shoulder requires almost as much care as carrying a pistol!

    Thanks, guys. This is a VERY informative forum!

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