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    1. Welcome to OCDO's Washington forum.
    This post is intended to ease your way into a more complete understanding of Open Carry, including how to go about it, legal issues, history, and the fine folks here at OCDO.

    The first thing you should be aware of is that this forum is not “public property”. The owners of this site, John Pierce (jpierce) and Mike Stollenwerk (Mike), provide this service at considerable time and expense. So please read their Forum Policy first: http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum1/1.html

    2. Why Open Carry? (vs. CC or No C)
    There’re some “standard questions” that folks raise with OC consistently. There are many fine responses on the forum. Here are some links to get you started:
    http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum6/12053.html
    http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum6/7507.html

    3. What are these abbreviations?
    Here’s a good list: http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum65/13598.html

    4. Beware the TROLL
    A troll is someone who purposefully posts to stir tension and conflict. They most post and leave (a “fly-by”) or stay and keep stirring the pot until they are completely ignored or banned from the forum. Do not be a troll. Do not call “troll” until you have enough experience to distinguish between poorly phrased newbie questions and a truly corrosive post. DO NOT FEED THE TROLL. Once identified, trolls should be left in the dark. If in doubt, send a Private Message (PM) (left click their username) to either jpierce or Mike.

    5. Conflicts with LEO
    Well, just don’t have a conflict! I mean be as polite, professional, and LEGAL as you can in the circumstances. There is of course wide variety of opinions here on this topic (and everything else!), so here’s a link for some additional perspective:
    WARNING: This is an advanced thread! Strong feelings here!
    http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum65/13327-2.html
    (This thread is also infamous in OCDO lore.)

    6. Conflict with public
    Conflict? What conflict? Most of the time there simply isn’t any. There are a vast number of threads along these lines: “OC’d to store, nobody noticed, went home.”
    Occasionally folks do notice, and even more rarely they may complain or even call 911. Be calm. Do not get into a confrontation with them. The fact that you are carrying greatly increases the legal risk to you. You also represent all OC advocates and we’d prefer you do so with an appreciation of your responsibilities and the efforts of those who have gone before you.
    Sample threads are nearly endless. Check out the Washington forum or go to: http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/recent.html

    7. Disagreements on the forum
    There are hundreds, even thousands of good posters on this forum. There are a smaller number that are often needlessly confrontational. You’ll have to decide who’s who according to your own tastes. But until you “know” the crowd here better, post softly. Treat each poster as a friend; look for what well intentioned thing they could have meant. If in doubt, don’t reply. If you must reply harshly – do so via PM!

    8. Washington Gun Rights Pamphlet
    This is a great thing to have when you OC! You can print it out yourself from the link in this thread or you can get a very nice professionally printed version. Just put the question in a post and we’ll track down who has them available at that time.
    http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum55/14089.html

    9. Digital Voice Records
    It is perfectly legal in Washington to record public conversations without notification that you are recording. Non-public conversations require the notification of all participants. A conversation with a uniformed LEO is considered public. A DVR is highly recommended for OC.

    10. Do not patronize list
    Can be found here:
    http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum55/3630.html
    Note that there’s also a list of good guys.

    11. Know the law
    US Constitution, 2nd Amendment: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

    Washington Constitution, Article 1 Declaration of Rights: SECTION 1 POLITICAL POWER. All political power is inherent in the people, and governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed, and are established to protect and maintain individual rights.

    Washington Constitution, Article 1 Declaration of Rights: SECTION 24 RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS: The right of the individual citizen to bear arms in defense of himself, or the state, shall not be impaired, but nothing in this section shall be construed as authorizing individuals or corporations to organize, maintain or employ an armed body of men.

    The Revised Code of Washington (RCW) can be found here: http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/
    Pay particular attention to RCW 9.41 Firearms and dangerous weapons.

    9.41.010
    Terms defined.
    9.41.040
    Unlawful possession of firearms -- Ownership, possession by certain persons--Penalties.
    9.41.042
    Children -- Permissible firearm possession.
    9.41.045
    Possession by offenders.
    9.41.047
    Restoration of possession rights.
    9.41.050
    Carrying firearms.
    9.41.060
    Exceptions to restrictions on carrying firearms.
    9.41.070
    Concealed pistol license -- Application -- Fee -- Renewal.
    9.41.073
    Concealed pistol license--Reciprocity.
    9.41.075
    Concealed pistol license -- Revocation.
    9.41.080
    Delivery to ineligible persons.
    9.41.090
    Dealer deliveries regulated -- Hold on delivery.
    9.41.094
    Waiver of confidentiality.
    9.41.097
    Supplying information on persons purchasing pistols or applying for concealed pistol licenses.
    9.41.0975
    Officials and agencies -- Immunity, writ of mandamus.
    9.41.098
    Forfeiture of firearms -- Disposition -- Confiscation.
    9.41.100
    Dealer licensing and registration required.
    9.41.110
    Dealer's licenses, by whom granted, conditions, fees -- Employees, fingerprinting and background checks -- Wholesale sales excepted -- Permits prohibited.
    9.41.120
    Firearms as loan security.
    9.41.122
    Out-of-state purchasing.
    9.41.124
    Purchasing by nonresidents.
    9.41.129
    Recordkeeping requirements.
    9.41.135
    Verification of licenses and registration -- Notice to federal government.
    9.41.140
    Alteration of identifying marks -- Exceptions.
    9.41.170
    Alien's license to carry firearms -- Exception.
    9.41.185
    Coyote getters.
    9.41.190
    Unlawful firearms -- Exceptions.
    9.41.220
    Unlawful firearms and parts contraband.
    9.41.225
    Use of machine gun in felony -- Penalty.
    9.41.230
    Aiming or discharging firearms, dangerous weapons.
    9.41.240
    Possession of pistol by person from eighteen to twenty-one.
    9.41.250
    Dangerous weapons -- Penalty -- Exemption for law enforcement officers.
    9.41.260
    Dangerous exhibitions.
    9.41.270
    Weapons apparently capable of producing bodily harm -- Unlawful carrying or handling -- Penalty -- Exceptions.
    9.41.280
    Possessing dangerous weapons on school facilities -- Penalty -- Exceptions.
    9.41.290
    State preemption.
    9.41.300
    Weapons prohibited in certain places -- Local laws and ordinances -- Exceptions -- Penalty.
    9.41.310
    Information pamphlet.
    9.41.320
    Fireworks.
    9.41.800
    Surrender of weapons or licenses -- Prohibition on future possession or licensing.
    9.41.810
    Penalty.

    Do you still have questions? Feel free to PM one of the members below if you would prefer a private response:

    Lonnie Wilson
    Jim675


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    + 100000000
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    Looks good, which this would have been around when I started reading this forum after I heard about it...

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    Well done!

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    Holy crap Jim - This is awsome. I know that things can be stickied - I've seen it on other sub-forums. This needs to be at the top. Well done!

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    very well done

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    On the part about Trolls (#4), unless you're using a software-modified "left-handed" mouse, it's a LEFT click of the username to bring down that list to send a private message, not a Right click.
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    Thanks folks!
    Now, the hard part. Anybody have suggestions for improvement?

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    Thanksjust_a_car wrote:
    On the part about Trolls (#4), unless you're using a software-modified "left-handed" mouse, it's a LEFT click of the username to bring down that list to send a private message, not a Right click.
    Thanks - on it.

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    Also put in names for PM's in case of questions or issues that don't want to be made publics. Basically the OCDO-WA ambassadors.

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    That's a good idea. Is there a list some where or are you suggesting we seek some volunteers?

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    Well, I volunteer myself. I seem to be a good source of info.

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    Thats odd. The links to various threads gave me a 404 error.

    edit- I guess as I was posting, you edited it and the links are gone! Never mind then!

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    Actually, some of the links still are bad--they seem to have an extra 'forum65' as part of the URL, e.g.:

    http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum55...5/13327-2.html

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    Jim675 just shoes the caliper of people we have here on OCDO. People that will go out of their way to help others in OC.I have always thought of OCDO as being a really good group of people, and this just confirms what i believe.

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    Bravo! Any possibility of getting this post made sticky?

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    I'm still getting 404's when I click your links. For some reason it adds "forum55" to the address.

    So I get http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum55/forum1/1.html

    instead of http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum1/1.html

    Other than that, we need to sticky this!

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    I just ran through the links, they seem to work for me. Most are "forum55" since that's WA. Do all of them fail or can you point me to a specific link?

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    Very well done!!
    Bob Owens @ Bearing Arms (paraphrased): "These people aren't against violence; they're very much in favor of violence. They're against armed resistance."

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    Thanks from a Newcomer. This will aid me a great deal.
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    Ok, the links are working for me now. Maybe it was just me? :shock:

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    good job jim!!

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    Awesome information here. First logged in last week and just been looking around gathering information. Awesome site! Thanks!

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    The link in para 5 still gives me a 404 error. I haven't tried the others.

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    bump


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