Jim675
Founder's Club Member
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1. Welcome to OCDO's Washington forum.
This post is intended to ease your way into a more complete understanding of Open Carry, including how to go about it, legal issues, history, and the fine folks here at OCDO.
The first thing you should be aware of is that this forum is not “public property”. The owners of this site, John Pierce (jpierce) and Mike Stollenwerk (Mike), provide this service at considerable time and expense. So please read their Forum Policy first: http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum1/1.html
2. Why Open Carry? (vs. CC or No C)
There’re some “standard questions” that folks raise with OC consistently. There are many fine responses on the forum. Here are some links to get you started:
[url]http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum6/12053.html[/url]
http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum6/7507.html
3. What are these abbreviations?
Here’s a good list: http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum65/13598.html
4. Beware the TROLL
A troll is someone who purposefully posts to stir tension and conflict. They most post and leave (a “fly-by”) or stay and keep stirring the pot until they are completely ignored or banned from the forum. Do not be a troll. Do not call “troll” until you have enough experience to distinguish between poorly phrased newbie questions and a truly corrosive post. DO NOT FEED THE TROLL. Once identified, trolls should be left in the dark. If in doubt, send a Private Message (PM) (left click their username) to either jpierce or Mike.
5. Conflicts with LEO
Well, just don’t have a conflict! I mean be as polite, professional, and LEGAL as you can in the circumstances. There is of course wide variety of opinions here on this topic (and everything else!), so here’s a link for some additional perspective:
WARNING: This is an advanced thread! Strong feelings here!
forum65/13327-2.htmlhttp://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum65/13327-2.html
(This thread is also infamous in OCDO lore.)
6. Conflict with public
Conflict? What conflict? Most of the time there simply isn’t any. There are a vast number of threads along these lines: “OC’d to store, nobody noticed, went home.”
Occasionally folks do notice, and even more rarely they may complain or even call 911. Be calm. Do not get into a confrontation with them. The fact that you are carrying greatly increases the legal risk to you. You also represent all OC advocates and we’d prefer you do so with an appreciation of your responsibilities and the efforts of those who have gone before you.
Sample threads are nearly endless. Check out the Washington forum or go to: http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/recent.html
7. Disagreements on the forum
There are hundreds, even thousands of good posters on this forum. There are a smaller number that are often needlessly confrontational. You’ll have to decide who’s who according to your own tastes. But until you “know” the crowd here better, post softly. Treat each poster as a friend; look for what well intentioned thing they could have meant. If in doubt, don’t reply. If you must reply harshly – do so via PM!
8. Washington Gun Rights Pamphlet
This is a great thing to have when you OC! You can print it out yourself from the link in this thread or you can get a very nice professionally printed version. Just put the question in a post and we’ll track down who has them available at that time.
http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum55/14089.html
9. Digital Voice Records
It is perfectly legal in Washington to record public conversations without notification that you are recording. Non-public conversations require the notification of all participants. A conversation with a uniformed LEO is considered public. A DVR is highly recommended for OC.
10. Do not patronize list
Can be found here:
http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum55/3630.html
Note that there’s also a list of good guys.
11. Know the law
US Constitution, 2[sup]nd[/sup] Amendment: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Washington Constitution, Article 1 Declaration of Rights: SECTION 1 POLITICAL POWER. All political power is inherent in the people, and governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed, and are established to protect and maintain individual rights.
Washington Constitution, Article 1 Declaration of Rights: SECTION 24 RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS: The right of the individual citizen to bear arms in defense of himself, or the state, shall not be impaired, but nothing in this section shall be construed as authorizing individuals or corporations to organize, maintain or employ an armed body of men.
The Revised Code of Washington (RCW) can be found here: http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/
Pay particular attention to RCW 9.41 Firearms and dangerous weapons.
9.41.010
Terms defined.
9.41.040
Unlawful possession of firearms -- Ownership, possession by certain persons--Penalties.
9.41.042
Children -- Permissible firearm possession.
9.41.045
Possession by offenders.
9.41.047
Restoration of possession rights.
9.41.050
Carrying firearms.
9.41.060
Exceptions to restrictions on carrying firearms.
9.41.070
Concealed pistol license -- Application -- Fee -- Renewal.
9.41.073
Concealed pistol license--Reciprocity.
9.41.075
Concealed pistol license -- Revocation.
9.41.080
Delivery to ineligible persons.
9.41.090
Dealer deliveries regulated -- Hold on delivery.
9.41.094
Waiver of confidentiality.
9.41.097
Supplying information on persons purchasing pistols or applying for concealed pistol licenses.
9.41.0975
Officials and agencies -- Immunity, writ of mandamus.
9.41.098
Forfeiture of firearms -- Disposition -- Confiscation.
9.41.100
Dealer licensing and registration required.
9.41.110
Dealer's licenses, by whom granted, conditions, fees -- Employees, fingerprinting and background checks -- Wholesale sales excepted -- Permits prohibited.
9.41.120
Firearms as loan security.
9.41.122
Out-of-state purchasing.
9.41.124
Purchasing by nonresidents.
9.41.129
Recordkeeping requirements.
9.41.135
Verification of licenses and registration -- Notice to federal government.
9.41.140
Alteration of identifying marks -- Exceptions.
9.41.170
Alien's license to carry firearms -- Exception.
9.41.185
Coyote getters.
9.41.190
Unlawful firearms -- Exceptions.
9.41.220
Unlawful firearms and parts contraband.
9.41.225
Use of machine gun in felony -- Penalty.
9.41.230
Aiming or discharging firearms, dangerous weapons.
9.41.240
Possession of pistol by person from eighteen to twenty-one.
9.41.250
Dangerous weapons -- Penalty -- Exemption for law enforcement officers.
9.41.260
Dangerous exhibitions.
9.41.270
Weapons apparently capable of producing bodily harm -- Unlawful carrying or handling -- Penalty -- Exceptions.
9.41.280
Possessing dangerous weapons on school facilities -- Penalty -- Exceptions.
9.41.290
State preemption.
9.41.300
Weapons prohibited in certain places -- Local laws and ordinances -- Exceptions -- Penalty.
9.41.310
Information pamphlet.
9.41.320
Fireworks.
9.41.800
Surrender of weapons or licenses -- Prohibition on future possession or licensing.
9.41.810
Penalty.
Do you still have questions? Feel free to PM one of the members below if you would prefer a private response:
Lonnie Wilson
Jim675
1. Welcome to OCDO's Washington forum.
This post is intended to ease your way into a more complete understanding of Open Carry, including how to go about it, legal issues, history, and the fine folks here at OCDO.
The first thing you should be aware of is that this forum is not “public property”. The owners of this site, John Pierce (jpierce) and Mike Stollenwerk (Mike), provide this service at considerable time and expense. So please read their Forum Policy first: http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum1/1.html
2. Why Open Carry? (vs. CC or No C)
There’re some “standard questions” that folks raise with OC consistently. There are many fine responses on the forum. Here are some links to get you started:
[url]http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum6/12053.html[/url]
http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum6/7507.html
3. What are these abbreviations?
Here’s a good list: http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum65/13598.html
4. Beware the TROLL
A troll is someone who purposefully posts to stir tension and conflict. They most post and leave (a “fly-by”) or stay and keep stirring the pot until they are completely ignored or banned from the forum. Do not be a troll. Do not call “troll” until you have enough experience to distinguish between poorly phrased newbie questions and a truly corrosive post. DO NOT FEED THE TROLL. Once identified, trolls should be left in the dark. If in doubt, send a Private Message (PM) (left click their username) to either jpierce or Mike.
5. Conflicts with LEO
Well, just don’t have a conflict! I mean be as polite, professional, and LEGAL as you can in the circumstances. There is of course wide variety of opinions here on this topic (and everything else!), so here’s a link for some additional perspective:
WARNING: This is an advanced thread! Strong feelings here!
forum65/13327-2.htmlhttp://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum65/13327-2.html
(This thread is also infamous in OCDO lore.)
6. Conflict with public
Conflict? What conflict? Most of the time there simply isn’t any. There are a vast number of threads along these lines: “OC’d to store, nobody noticed, went home.”
Occasionally folks do notice, and even more rarely they may complain or even call 911. Be calm. Do not get into a confrontation with them. The fact that you are carrying greatly increases the legal risk to you. You also represent all OC advocates and we’d prefer you do so with an appreciation of your responsibilities and the efforts of those who have gone before you.
Sample threads are nearly endless. Check out the Washington forum or go to: http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/recent.html
7. Disagreements on the forum
There are hundreds, even thousands of good posters on this forum. There are a smaller number that are often needlessly confrontational. You’ll have to decide who’s who according to your own tastes. But until you “know” the crowd here better, post softly. Treat each poster as a friend; look for what well intentioned thing they could have meant. If in doubt, don’t reply. If you must reply harshly – do so via PM!
8. Washington Gun Rights Pamphlet
This is a great thing to have when you OC! You can print it out yourself from the link in this thread or you can get a very nice professionally printed version. Just put the question in a post and we’ll track down who has them available at that time.
http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum55/14089.html
9. Digital Voice Records
It is perfectly legal in Washington to record public conversations without notification that you are recording. Non-public conversations require the notification of all participants. A conversation with a uniformed LEO is considered public. A DVR is highly recommended for OC.
10. Do not patronize list
Can be found here:
http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum55/3630.html
Note that there’s also a list of good guys.
11. Know the law
US Constitution, 2[sup]nd[/sup] Amendment: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Washington Constitution, Article 1 Declaration of Rights: SECTION 1 POLITICAL POWER. All political power is inherent in the people, and governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed, and are established to protect and maintain individual rights.
Washington Constitution, Article 1 Declaration of Rights: SECTION 24 RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS: The right of the individual citizen to bear arms in defense of himself, or the state, shall not be impaired, but nothing in this section shall be construed as authorizing individuals or corporations to organize, maintain or employ an armed body of men.
The Revised Code of Washington (RCW) can be found here: http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/
Pay particular attention to RCW 9.41 Firearms and dangerous weapons.
9.41.010
Terms defined.
9.41.040
Unlawful possession of firearms -- Ownership, possession by certain persons--Penalties.
9.41.042
Children -- Permissible firearm possession.
9.41.045
Possession by offenders.
9.41.047
Restoration of possession rights.
9.41.050
Carrying firearms.
9.41.060
Exceptions to restrictions on carrying firearms.
9.41.070
Concealed pistol license -- Application -- Fee -- Renewal.
9.41.073
Concealed pistol license--Reciprocity.
9.41.075
Concealed pistol license -- Revocation.
9.41.080
Delivery to ineligible persons.
9.41.090
Dealer deliveries regulated -- Hold on delivery.
9.41.094
Waiver of confidentiality.
9.41.097
Supplying information on persons purchasing pistols or applying for concealed pistol licenses.
9.41.0975
Officials and agencies -- Immunity, writ of mandamus.
9.41.098
Forfeiture of firearms -- Disposition -- Confiscation.
9.41.100
Dealer licensing and registration required.
9.41.110
Dealer's licenses, by whom granted, conditions, fees -- Employees, fingerprinting and background checks -- Wholesale sales excepted -- Permits prohibited.
9.41.120
Firearms as loan security.
9.41.122
Out-of-state purchasing.
9.41.124
Purchasing by nonresidents.
9.41.129
Recordkeeping requirements.
9.41.135
Verification of licenses and registration -- Notice to federal government.
9.41.140
Alteration of identifying marks -- Exceptions.
9.41.170
Alien's license to carry firearms -- Exception.
9.41.185
Coyote getters.
9.41.190
Unlawful firearms -- Exceptions.
9.41.220
Unlawful firearms and parts contraband.
9.41.225
Use of machine gun in felony -- Penalty.
9.41.230
Aiming or discharging firearms, dangerous weapons.
9.41.240
Possession of pistol by person from eighteen to twenty-one.
9.41.250
Dangerous weapons -- Penalty -- Exemption for law enforcement officers.
9.41.260
Dangerous exhibitions.
9.41.270
Weapons apparently capable of producing bodily harm -- Unlawful carrying or handling -- Penalty -- Exceptions.
9.41.280
Possessing dangerous weapons on school facilities -- Penalty -- Exceptions.
9.41.290
State preemption.
9.41.300
Weapons prohibited in certain places -- Local laws and ordinances -- Exceptions -- Penalty.
9.41.310
Information pamphlet.
9.41.320
Fireworks.
9.41.800
Surrender of weapons or licenses -- Prohibition on future possession or licensing.
9.41.810
Penalty.
Do you still have questions? Feel free to PM one of the members below if you would prefer a private response:
Lonnie Wilson
Jim675
