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    Inmy ky cc class they mentioned that, in the case of being pulled over in ky, one did not have to immediately inform an officer thatone is carrying concealed and is licensed, for, when one is pulled over by an officer, that said officer would have already enteredone's license plates into his computer and would have been notified thatone indeedpossessa ccdw license. My question is thus: If I were pulled over in a state outside of ky, would the officer be notified by access to this same database through his computer in his patrol car, or wouldthe officerhave absolutely no clue? I do, however, understand that in some other states, I am required to immediately notify an officer that I hold a ccdw license if I am carrying.

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    The oficer knowing you CCDW in Kentucky is new to me.....but I'll check it out tomorrow at the jail. I haven't paid attention on this when dispatch receives license checks.

    IF....it is on record through a call in, it would be the same in any state if called in.

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    thanks, i'd appreciate it

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    If you are carrying a concealed weapon, or driving in a car whith a loaded handgun, the following states require you to notify law enforcement if stopped for official business:

    1.Arkansas
    2.Louisiana
    3.michigan
    4.Nebraska
    5.North Carolina
    6.Ohio
    7.Oklahoma
    8.South Carolina
    9.Texas
    10.Utah


    Kentucky is not one of them.



    If you go north and cross the river,, you will have to inform "promptly", whatever that means. Most LEOS in ohio have a system called "LEADS" in their vehicles, and I do not know about the reciprocity of info that system shares with bordering state. I do know that an Ohio resident carrying on Florida permit will not show up in the computer system.



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    OK JJ...The news everyone wants. The site has been down and I sent you a PM, but I suspect others want to know.

    No. Your CCDW data is NOT sent to an officer that runs your license tag number. Just possible warrant info.this is according to Larue County Dispatcherslocated in the county jail.



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    Thats interesting, I'm a volunteer with my local PD here and if I run a plate through the MDT it does come up on the bottom under the address of the registration it sayes ccdw: Yes or No

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    Zerocool....possibly so and I left a disclaimer of where I got the info....LOL

    The chief dispatcher will be in today and I'll call him. Just to double check.I doubt it is a county thing.

    I called just a moment ago and dispatcher says he is never given CCDW information. This is the Hodgenville...Larue County Jail Dispatcher.


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    Yea thats true I read that I just wanted to help out. I thought that was interesting, I thought the whole system was statewide but maybe not. Please let me know what you find out I'm curious.

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    For what it’s worth, I asked a KY State Trouper whose daughter knows mine what he would want someone to do in the event of a stop. In other words, should I tell him? He said when they run your license (I’m assuming he meant Drivers license, not license plate) it would be flagged and he would know you had the CCDW.

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    Probably the question comes up as to who runs the license check. I have been told by my county dispatchers it does NOT come up and I hear from others it DOES come up.

    I'll look into this some more. I see no harm in erring on the tell 'em side as they may already know. This is an excellent thread discussion.

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    Yea I agree, I've never had to inform **Knock on wood** but I would if stopped just as a courtesy even if he already knows. Usually if your not real nervous and you just say something like "Officer just so you know I hold a CCDW and I'm armed at this time." Usually it's no big deal unless you get a crusader or a rookie.

    Just my feeling

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    zer0cool wrote:
    Yea I agree, I've never had to inform **Knock on wood** but I would if stopped just as a courtesy even if he already knows. Usually if your not real nervous and you just say something like "Officer just so you know I hold a CCDW and I'm armed at this time." Usually it's no big deal unless you get a crusader or a rookie.

    Just my feeling
    I don't usually bring up the fact I've got a concealed weapon in the vehicle with me. If the officer askes, I politely tell them, "I don't have any illegal weapons in the vehicle."
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    I really disgree with this one! That means that we can have any yahoo running around with a gun with out the proper training. This really scares the hell out of me. Just my two-cents!
    Quote Originally Posted by KansasMustang View Post
    Joe Schmedlap out there with a loaded weapon thinking he's going to deter crime and he's not even trained to fire his weapon safely just kinda makes my hair on the back of my neck stand up.

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    A buddy and I were stopped in Allen County going to scottsville and did not inform the deputy that i had my weapon in the vehicle it was in the glove box where it is perfectly legal without a permit and not having any duty to inform the deputy that it was there I didnt mention it, now as my buddy was asked to step out of the vehicle they stated his license was suspended when actually it wasn't (long story going to refrain from going through it all and stay on point)and was placing him in handcuffs he asked him if there was anything in the vehicle that he needed to know about. he informed the officer that my weapon was in the vehicle which was ok because I nor he wanted to lie the deputy (we had no reason to). the officer then got real panicky and pretty much scared me half to death with the way he reacted... they then gave me a warning that I better disclose the fact that there is a weapon in the vehicle from now on i thought this would be a good place to bring this up

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    I don't know what happened to my post, but...

    As a police officer, I can tell you that your CCDW weapon info is attached to your Driver's license info when your DL is querried.

    When your registration plate is querried, the computer automaticallyquerries the DL of the registered owner of the car, so in a roundabout way, it will come back when the registration is querried.

    Again, I am a police officer.

    And yes, since that info would be sent by KY to the other states, it would pop up to the officer in the other state.

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    PFC Helms wrote:
    A buddy and I were stopped in Allen County going to scottsville and did not inform the deputy that i had my weapon in the vehicle it was in the glove box where it is perfectly legal without a permit and not having any duty to inform the deputy that it was there I didnt mention it, now as my buddy was asked to step out of the vehicle they stated his license was suspended when actually it wasn't (long story going to refrain from going through it all and stay on point)and was placing him in handcuffs he asked him if there was anything in the vehicle that he needed to know about. he informed the officer that my weapon was in the vehicle which was ok because I nor he wanted to lie the deputy (we had no reason to). the officer then got real panicky and pretty much scared me half to death with the way he reacted... they then gave me a warning that I better disclose the fact that there is a weapon in the vehicle from now on i thought this would be a good place to bring this up

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    There is no law in Kentucky I know of that says you have to tell the officer you have a firearm. It is really just a courtesy. If you tell the officer at the beginning of the stop that you have a loaded firearm in the vehicle he is less likely to freak out if he finds it during a search.

    It is weird though how a firearm in the glove box isn't concealed, yet you and the officer can't see it unless the glove box is open.

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    I simply MUST now believe the CCDW license info does come up on a license tagrun. However, the Dispatchers at Larue County jail insist it does NOT come up. Hmmmmm?

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    Thanks super, I knew it didnt just work that way here in Boone County

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    PFC Helms wrote:
    A buddy and I were stopped in Allen County going to scottsville and did not inform the deputy that i had my weapon in the vehicle it was in the glove box where it is perfectly legal without a permit and not having any duty to inform the deputy that it was there I didnt mention it, now as my buddy was asked to step out of the vehicle they stated his license was suspended when actually it wasn't (long story going to refrain from going through it all and stay on point)and was placing him in handcuffs he asked him if there was anything in the vehicle that he needed to know about. he informed the officer that my weapon was in the vehicle which was ok because I nor he wanted to lie the deputy (we had no reason to). the officer then got real panicky and pretty much scared me half to death with the way he reacted... they then gave me a warning that I better disclose the fact that there is a weapon in the vehicle from now on i thought this would be a good place to bring this up

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    Please tell me how your buddies license wasn't suspended. The information the officer received through his LINK querry is real-time. If the answer comes back suspended, then the license is suspended.

    Keep in mind, decade long police officer here.



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    Thanks everyone for replying

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    superdemon wrote:
    I don't know what happened to my post, but...

    As a police officer, I can tell you that your CCDW weapon info is attached to your Driver's license info when your DL is querried.

    When your registration plate is querried, the computer automaticallyquerries the DL of the registered owner of the car, so in a roundabout way, it will come back when the registration is querried.

    Again, I am a police officer.

    And yes, since that info would be sent by KY to the other states, it would pop up to the officer in the other state.
    He's 100% correct..same thing for those from the wrong side of the river, like me, of Ohio :P. People sometimes get a funny look on their face when they state "I have a CHL" and an I reply, I know,thank you.

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    "CHL"? Concealed Handgun License, I suppose?

    In KY, it's a Concealed Deadly Weapon License, which means you can carry all seven of the classified deadly weapons concealed, but you only test on the firearm.

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    Fnally got the question answered correctly! The Larue County Dispatch System is NOT set up as the state system is and must go through the state system when running tags. I was led to believe otherwise.

    CCDW info is NOT passed on at theLOCAL level unless requested. The State Police Officers are automatically given that info as they use their own dispatch system. Even one of the city cops, who dispatches sometimes had not too kind words for the source of my info. I had a disclaimer on that.

    Thanks for bearing with me.

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    For what it’s worth; in the event I get pulled over I’m going to assume they know and hand them both my Drivers License and my CCDW and tell the officer I’m armed. For one thing, the last person I want thinking that I’m evasive, uncooperative, dangerous or belligerent is the cop who is deciding whether or not to write me a costly ticket. And secondly, they put their life on the line doing a job I don’t want, and in most cases do not deserve to be disrespected. So I try to treat them, as I would want to be treated. (Actually I find that approach works well with most people)

    But..... it’s just a suggestion.

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    Oubliette....I do exactly the same. I have also found the cops for the most part appreciate it.

    Iam a corrections officer and I still display my DL...CCDW AND Deputy ID at the same time. It doesn't hurt and may actually help.

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